K-9 Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Agreed. Although in our real world, the credibility of a sexual assault victim is (regrettably) known to influence the outcome of the case. That’s true about credibility and prosecutors and defense lawyers hammer it all the time. But in this case, Bennett’s guilty plea supports her credibility as a victim.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Jpsredemption said: So Tim Graham is a douche bc Bennett assaulted a female and was ultimately held accountable? No, Tim Graham is a douche because he used a photo from Jim Kelly's charity event to apparently "settle a score" with a co-worker, and publicly made an inaccurate statement about the criminal conviction of a former Bills player in the process. 1
Coach Tuesday Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 Five pages in and I don’t think anyone has mentioned the true irony here - Timmy is the one who did a puff piece “check in” interview with OJ a few months back: http://buffalonews.com/2018/03/16/the-o-j-simpson-interview-on-prison-retirement-and-football/
BadLandsMeanie Posted June 5, 2018 Author Posted June 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: That’s true about credibility and prosecutors and defense lawyers hammer it all the time. But in this case, Bennett’s guilty plea supports her credibility as a victim. She had a physical injury that just doesn't happen in a fight or by falling down or walking into a door. She was a very credible victim.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, K-9 said: That’s true about credibility and prosecutors and defense lawyers hammer it all the time. But in this case, Bennett’s guilty plea supports her credibility as a victim. i don't agree. Bennett was charged with charged with rape, sodomy, sexual abuse and unlawful imprisonment (several felonies). He pled guilty to sexual misconduct (a misdemeanor) and served 36 days. That's the sort of plea bargain a prosecutor typically agrees to when he doesn't think he has the a witness with the credibility to make the felony charges stick in court, despite physical injuries. 3
K-9 Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: i don't agree. Bennett was charged with charged with rape, sodomy, sexual abuse and unlawful imprisonment (several felonies). He pled guilty to sexual misconduct (a misdemeanor) and served 36 days. That's the sort of plea bargain a prosecutor typically agrees to when he doesn't think he has the a witness with the credibility to make the felony charges stick in court. Good point. 2
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said: She had a physical injury that just doesn't happen in a fight or by falling down or walking into a door. She was a very credible victim. She had a physical injury consistent with her story. That is not the same thing as being a credible victim for a prosecutor to present to a jury in court. I don't enjoy saying that, I don't agree with saying that, but it is what it is. 1
IDBillzFan Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gugny said: Timmy can call people out as he pleases; but he should be smart enough to understand, "a time and a place." Every time and place is Timmah's time and place. Heaven forbid he has enough self-awareness to keep keep his powder dry about something he saw at Jim Kelly's golf event, on a day it's announced Kelly is getting the Jimmy V award. That would just require some self-awareness, and that's not Timmah's strong suit. Edited June 5, 2018 by LABillzFan 2
Mr. WEO Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: i don't agree. Bennett was charged with charged with rape, sodomy, sexual abuse and unlawful imprisonment (several felonies). He pled guilty to sexual misconduct (a misdemeanor) and served 36 days. That's the sort of plea bargain a prosecutor typically agrees to when he doesn't think he has the a witness with the credibility to make the felony charges stick in court, despite physical injuries. The felony charge stemmed form the victim account and the physical evidence. Hence the rape charge. As everyone is familiar in these stories involving NFL players, it's going to be difficult to get a felony conviction unless the victim is absolutely committed to helping put him in jail for a long time. So it gets pleaded down to what is acceptable to all--and a win for the prosecution. Still, I have no problem with calling him a convicted rapist--by any definition, he raped her. Edited June 5, 2018 by Mr. WEO 1
CommonCents Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The felony charge stemmed form the victim account and the physical evidence. Hence the rape charge. As everyone is familiar in these stories involving NFL players, it's going to be difficult to get a felony conviction unless the victim is absolutely committed to helping put him in jail for a long time. So it gets pleaded down to what is acceptable to all--and a win for the prosecution. Still, I have no problem with calling him a convicted rapist--by any definition, he raped her. Everyone is looking at it from the same side. What NFL player worth millions is accepting jail time in a plea deal if he didn’t do anything wrong? A guilty one. 1 1
blacklabel Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 Pretty sure Tim lost his job at ESPN for passing around offensive emails and making inappropriate jokes/comments around female coworkers so.... 1
BringBackOrton Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 10 hours ago, NoSaint said: Of all the ways to callout Bennett’s history, this seems an odd method to choose. Because it wouldn't be a callout unless you drew attention to yourself as well.
PromoTheRobot Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Pretty sure Tim lost his job at ESPN for passing around offensive emails and making inappropriate jokes/comments around female coworkers so.... Link? 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Pretty sure Tim lost his job at ESPN for passing around offensive emails and making inappropriate jokes/comments around female coworkers so.... Are you freakin' kidding? I mean, you aren't just playing on the recent history with Brandon, the past history with Whaley, that kind of thing?
BillsFan17 Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 Or maybe the victim that was later arrested in a drug ring, might have had something to do with Biscuit pleading down... in order to prevent other potential issues coming to light. Drugs were a black eye on the NFL during the 90s and whether Biscuit was guilty of rape or not, the fact is the phrase deal doesnt indicate he was guilty of those crimes, but potentially didnt need this case to go any further and potentially damage his name any further. Especially considering the victim was found to be in one of the biggest narcotics rings at that point in time. I feel like some folks here need to watch the ESPN 30 for 30 about the Duke lacrosse team. 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 24 minutes ago, Commonsense said: Everyone is looking at it from the same side. What NFL player worth millions is accepting jail time in a plea deal if he didn’t do anything wrong? A guilty one. Not necessarily. I personally think Bennett was probably guilty, at least of what he pled to, maybe more. But his wife was pregnant, he was due to earn millions from the Falcons, and he was at risk to lose millions if he took the case to court, different misbehavior came to light, and the NFL suspended him (eg drug use). Again, not trying to argue Bennett was not guilty, simply pointing out that people do plead guilty to misdemeanors at times, even if they could probably fight them and win, because they perceive themselves as losing more than they risk by having a misdemeanor as a criminal record.
BringBackOrton Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: Every time and place is Timmah's time and place. Heaven forbid he has enough self-awareness to keep keep his powder dry about something he saw at Jim Kelly's golf event, on a day it's announced Kelly is getting the Jimmy V award. That would just require some self-awareness, and that's not Timmah's strong suit. Incredible that BADOL called you out for a Tim Graham obsession when he's been all over this topic in full on damage control mode. "Maybe he had a good reason guys!!!!!!" It's quite a sight. Edited June 5, 2018 by BringBackOrton 1
blacklabel Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Are you freakin' kidding? I mean, you aren't just playing on the recent history with Brandon, the past history with Whaley, that kind of thing? To PromoTheRobot: I do not have a link. I googled around and came up empty. This happened a couple years ago on Twitter. Tim was doing a little Q&A, someone that knows him or knows of the situation was tweeting at him about how he lost his job at ESPN and evidently, it was because of inappropriate comments made around female staff and/or engaging in spreading offensive emails meant as jokes. I think he was technically asked to resign. Either way, Tim kinda scrambled to cover up whatever this dude was saying. I don't recall him ever really denying it and I think it was kept on the low. Tim left ESPN in 2008, I believe, and back then things were still kept quiet when it came to stuff like this. I can't say I have any proof, and I couldn't find any links about it. But you can check my post history if you want. I'm not one to make sh*t up or start rumors. I watched the whole thing unfold on Twitter and the way Tim reacted to it definitely indicated to me that there was some level of truth to what this dude was saying. Tim claimed he had to block him or report him to Twitter to "protect his family" or something but like I said, his reaction to it said he was blindsided by it and that the guy posting about it probably did have some legitimate knowledge of Tim's exit from ESPN. I respect Tim as a writer. I think he puts together some very good pieces. Where I waver on my respect for him is how he engages people on social media. He doesn't pop up on my feed as often anymore because I don't read or interact much with what he tweets but he always seemed to be engaging with trolls and people he surely felt superior to and typically ignored anyone with a decent question or counterargument to one of his articles. Seems like a fair number of sports journalists do this, though. I dunno if it's a ego thing or whatever but it gets old after a while. 1
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