Infinitum Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 16 hours ago, Bad Things said: Convicted rapist? He was convicted of unnatural sex acts. Put it in the bum... 1
oldmanfan Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, john wawrow said: i've been snarky since i joined this board many moons ago. i am snarky to those whom i have little time for, given the things they've posted. i've engaged plenty with people in "actual dialog." in fact, i'm doing so now. which is it? i don't think you're giving a "shout out to sports writer." also never said i was all that important. in fact, i've often noted the opposite, given that my wife is a teacher. and yet, you're the one that keeps mentioning me and my colleagues. actually, it's credibility. we get readers because we have established that one thing in our career. otherwise, i don't give two craps whether you like me. jw Thanks for engaging John. I appreciate that. And I have always enjoyed your writing. I mention you and your colleagues because they are the subject of the threads. And I really fail to understand why being snarky or condescending or at times flat out insulting to your reader when engaging on social media seems appropriate. I think you're right on credibility. I think you're wrong on whether your likability has an effect on readership. If I have your profession right, you are dependent on readers to maintain your position. If you piss people off unnecessarily, does that help or hurt your numbers? I suspect it hurts, does it not? 1
Delete This Account Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Thanks for engaging John. I appreciate that. And I have always enjoyed your writing. I mention you and your colleagues because they are the subject of the threads. And I really fail to understand why being snarky or condescending or at times flat out insulting to your reader when engaging on social media seems appropriate. I think you're right on credibility. I think you're wrong on whether your likability has an effect on readership. If I have your profession right, you are dependent on readers to maintain your position. If you piss people off unnecessarily, does that help or hurt your numbers? I suspect it hurts, does it not? some people like snark. some don't. i'll mark you down as "a don't." jw
Big Turk Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 16 hours ago, Idandria said: Seems like an unprofessional cheap shot at a coworker in a public forum. There are like 5 different guys I’m that photo. But in the age of #meToo maybe he thinks it’s a legit gripe? Maybe he is a feminist
BADOLBILZ Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 1 hour ago, K-9 said: Like you didn’t know I was clearly talking about Graham’s false report about being Bennett being convicted of RAPE. It was clear to everyone else here but not you for some reason. Your blind defense of everything Graham and the subsequent bashing of anyone who calls him out renders you incapable of reasonable debate on the subject. I understand why you need to lump me in with anyone that would defend Bennett’s abhorrent behavior, but I didn’t and never have. Just more of your dishonest approach to debate. As as far as I’m concerned, our particular exchange on the matter is finished. Look I know what YOU and TG were both trying to say. TG was saying he was surprised that Vic was huggin it up with a guy who was jailed for sexual assault. You meant he wasn't convicted of rape. But what you both said was technically and equally wrong because of your choice of words. The point is that people here get upset with the media..........usually for pretty accurate takes..........and their childish response is usually to try to assassinate the character of those reporters.........which is almost always nastier than what the reporter was saying. Look at some of your own takes in this thread. You don't know Tim Graham. As for trying to point out that I can be a jerk on here..........you will get no resistance from me on that so save your keystrokes. ? I'm just doing my part to help you and others realize that perhaps you shouldn't be casting too many stones based on your exaggerated behavior here. 1
DrDawkinstein Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Look I know what YOU and TG were both trying to say. TG was saying he was surprised that Vic was huggin it up with a guy who was jailed for sexual assault. You meant he wasn't convicted of rape. But what you both said was technically and equally wrong because of your choice of words. The point is that people here get upset with the media..........usually for pretty accurate takes..........and their childish response is usually to try to assassinate the character of those reporters.........which is almost always nastier than what the reporter was saying. Look at some of your own takes in this thread. You don't know Tim Graham. As for trying to point out that I can be a jerk on here..........you will get no resistance from me on that so save your keystrokes. ? I'm just doing my part to help you and others realize that perhaps you shouldn't be casting too many stones based on your exaggerated behavior here. I honestly dont think we know Timmy's true intentions. Nor do I think Timmy even knows his true intentions, and instead fired off something he knew would generate clicks and retweets, without much thought. Was he bashing Vic for hanging out with Biscuit? Was he bashing Biscuit for his past? Or was he bashing the current "woke" climate, and insinuating that we obviously dont care about Biscuit's past issues so therefore we shouldnt care about current issues? It's all up for interpretation.
BringBackOrton Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: I honestly dont think we know Timmy's true intentions. Nor do I think Timmy even knows his true intentions, and instead fired off something he knew would generate clicks and retweets, without much thought. Was he bashing Vic for hanging out with Biscuit? Was he bashing Biscuit for his past? Or was he bashing the current "woke" climate, and insinuating that we obviously dont care about Biscuit's past issues so therefore we shouldnt care about current issues? It's all up for interpretation. BADOL is right though. Why should a paid journalist trying to maintain relevancy in the 21st century as a public figure be held to a higher standard for clarity than JimKellyFan69 on an anonymous message board? Oh. 2
corta765 Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Lurker said: Interesting thought: Couldn't TG's criticism of Vic being in the picture with Bennett extend to Jimbo inviting him in the first place? If Corney's such menace to society and all-round moral scourge, why would a highly religious couple like Jim and Jill even associate with him? My God, children may have attended that golf outing. How would you ever explain backdoor action gone bad to them... Good point. Just feels really out of place either way given the circumstances of the event. And on a side note at what point if someone is convicted of something and they pay their debt to society are they allowed to function? Are they allowed to go to normal things like this or are they suppose to hide away at all costs? (All of this meant as a true question not in anyway snark. My mother hates Mike Vick and felt he should never have been allowed to return, I said he paid his time and if he chooses to return its his right) 1
BadLandsMeanie Posted June 5, 2018 Author Posted June 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I honestly dont think we know Timmy's true intentions. Nor do I think Timmy even knows his true intentions, and instead fired off something he knew would generate clicks and retweets, without much thought. Was he bashing Vic for hanging out with Biscuit? Was he bashing Biscuit for his past? Or was he bashing the current "woke" climate, and insinuating that we obviously dont care about Biscuit's past issues so therefore we shouldnt care about current issues? It's all up for interpretation. To me I think it is plain that he is moving background conflict at TBN into the public eye. It is for sure a shot at Carrucci. Maybe the others just got in the way or he wanted to smear them also. A man who has his professional life linked to his twitter account does not tweet without thinking. Unless he is very incautious. The original tweet is now "unavailable". The plot thickens!
BADOLBILZ Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I disagree that it's inconsequential. The choice of context a media figure makes for a call-out is relevant. If nothing else, it influences the respect and access Graham has with those involved in the event, and influences reader perception of Graham. You're quite correct that no one asked why JK invited a guest convicted of sexual misconduct, who served time for it 20 years ago. I frankly would have respected Graham if he posed that question in that light. It's a relevant question for today - when someone has been convicted and served time for a crime, when is it relevant to revisit, and when is it relevant to allow them to move on? That would be hard-hitting journalism. In this case though, that isn't what happened. Graham didn't tweet "Why has a guy who once faced felony rape charges been invited as an honored guest at a charity event?" He called out Carrucci as his colleague. We both seem to agree (despite Graham's later denial) that it was, in fact, a call-out of Vic Carrucci, likely due to something going on behind the scenes. For the rest, we disagree. You seem to see Bennett's 20 year old conviction as "fair game" to revisit and fair game to mischaracterize; I feel that the whole crime/punishment/debt to society paid thing is meaningless if we don't mark the debt "paid" at some point and move on (if Bennett had not been charged and served time and been sued at the time, the case might differ). I also feel accuracy is important to a serious journalist - convicted of sexual misconduct (misdemeanor) is not the same legally as convicted of rape (felony). You say the fact that it's JK's charity event is inconsequential; I say it's a douche move by Graham to use JK's charity event as his platform for throwing mud at Carrucci and Bennett. That's revisionist. Either Graham can't choose appropriate words carefully (in which case he's in the wrong field - but we all know he's quite capable of using words very well), or, when he chooses to call out his colleague Carrucci for posing with his arm around a "convicted rapist", he's doing so because it is indeed about Vic. Otherwise why not just leave Vic and his bro-hug pose out of it and zero in on his real point? Graham wasn't re-arresting Bennett he was merely commenting on him. In criminal proceedings, Bennett paid his debt........as has OJ Simpson. Whether the court of public opinion feels what they paid was fair is another matter. If you've marked their debts paid I'd be a bit surprised........but maybe. You seem to be kinda' grudgey about perceived offenses that seem far less severe..........like columnists with negative takes on a Bills organization that missed the playoffs for 17 straight years and hasn't had a home playoff game in nearly a quarter century.......for example.?
PromoTheRobot Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 3 hours ago, oldmanfan said: And not convicted of rape. Believe what you want; don't let facts alter your opinion. And I say that thinking the guy is a scumball for his involvement in this.. Judge WEO.
DrDawkinstein Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said: To me I think it is plain that he is moving background conflict at TBN into the public eye. It is for sure a shot at Carrucci. Maybe the others just got in the way or he wanted to smear them also. A man who has his professional life linked to his twitter account does not tweet without thinking. Unless he is very incautious. The original tweet is now "unavailable". The plot thickens! Are you familiar with Timmy's posting history here, and infamous tweeting? It's more reacting than thinking. 1
BADOLBILZ Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 28 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: BADOL is right though. Why should a paid journalist trying to maintain relevancy in the 21st century as a public figure be held to a higher standard for clarity than JimKellyFan69 on an anonymous message board? Oh. Clarity from the "relevant" who provide commentary on sports? Where? Stephen A or Max?
BringBackOrton Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: Clarity from the "relevant" who provide commentary on sports? Where? Stephen A or Max? Ha ha, TG isn't Stephen A Smith bad. Awesome take. Speaks to his credibility, really.
mileena Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 17 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said: Here's the background. Bernie Kosar tweets a photo from Jim Kelly's charity event that included Vic C posing next to Cornelius Bennett. Graham retweets it with that caption. In another tweet TG claims he isn't taking a shot at Carruci. I think of course it is, and right out on public. What do you think? Screenshots? Links? This thread is meaningless without them. SMH.
folz Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: The fact that it was Jim Kelly's charity event seems entirely inconsequential. It wasn't about the event. Nobody asked why JK invited a person who had done time after sex assault claims. In 2018 people are getting called out for their past sexual assaults. The perpetrators just gotta' deal with it. Consequences. As do their innocent families too, I guess? I'm sure that was a difficult time for CB's family (of his own making, of course) and I'm sure that they would rather not have to relive it, and Tim putting it out in the public again after 20 years, or whatever, could dredge a lot of stuff back up for them. No one is condoning any crime that Cornelius committed (to whatever level the crime was, none of us know), instead we are condemning TG for using an ugly incident for his own personal agenda, without caring who he may be hurting (bad press for Kelly's event, VC and whatever that beef is, Cornelius' family and friends, etc.). This wasn't an article discussing sexual abuse, rape, etc. in which he used the incident as an example, it was a petty tweet to either get some sort of revenge or to get himself noticed. I mean what is actually accomplished by calling out a 20-year old sexual assault case that was already public (in the papers, etc. at the time). It's not like it was an unknown or unpunished crime that he was bringing to light. He was using a horrible moment from one person's life to try and get back at another person. Let's not paint it as TG being a benevolent social watchdog. Edited June 5, 2018 by folz
PromoTheRobot Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 Why did Timmah delete the tweet if he didn't mean anything by it? 1 1
BringBackOrton Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Why did Timmah delete the tweet if he didn't mean anything by it? The world was not ready for his revelations. 2
BADOLBILZ Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, folz said: As do their innocent families too, I guess? I'm sure that was a difficult time for CB's family (of his own making, of course) and I'm sure that they would rather not have to relive it, and Tim putting it out in the public again after 20 years, or whatever, could dredge a lot of stuff back up for them. No one is condoning any crime that Cornelius committed (to whatever level the crime was, none of us know), instead we are condemning TG for using an ugly incident for his own personal agenda, without caring who he may be hurting (bad press for Kelly's event, VC and whatever that beef is, Cornelius' family and friends, etc.). This wasn't an article discussing sexual abuse, rape, etc. in which he used the incident as an example, it was a petty tweet to either get some sort of revenge or to get himself noticed. I mean what is actually accomplished by calling out a 20-year old sexual assault case that was already public (in the papers, etc. at the time). It's not like it was an unknown or unpunished crime that he was bringing to light. He was using a horrible moment from one person's life to try and get back at another person. Let's not paint it as TG being a benevolent social watchdog. Are the potentially far reaching consequences of criminal acts just dawning upon you? Using a horrible moment from Bennett's life? Interesting take.
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