Roseanne Show cancelled by ABC after racist tweet

[Gugny]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The easy answer is: It's part of the business. Being a celebrity is about staying relevant and in the spotlight. Social Media makes that very easy. It's basically a required part of the job in order to keep pace with the competition. The problem is, these celebrities arent hiring PR people to do their tweeting for them.

 

 

 

Totally agree that it seems to be a "must have," for the celebs.

 

But I don't see why they can't just make rules for themselves and stick to them.  When I joined Facebook, my personal rule was to never discuss work.  Not even good stuff.  I just avoid the topic altogether.  I know that no one can ever "misinterpret" anything I've written about my job or my place of employment, simply by not saying anything about it.

 

I don't see what's so difficult about avoiding any potentially controversial topics.

 

And part of me wants to agree with you about hiring PR people.  But, if I was a celeb, I would trust NO ONE to speak for me.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, apuszczalowski said:

The internet could be what ends up destroying humanity

 

It needs to go back to what it was I tended for. Buying thing without having to get dressed and leave your home, watching home videos of people or animals falling down and or getting hurt, getting scammed by African Royalty, Netflix, and easily accessible pornography. Everything else is just leading to the world becoming a worse place.

 

I notice you didnt include "arguing about your favorite football team" in there.

[apuszczalowski]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The easy answer is: It's part of the business. Being a celebrity is about staying relevant and in the spotlight. Social Media makes that very easy. It's basically a required part of the job in order to keep pace with the competition. The problem is, these celebrities arent hiring PR people to do their tweeting for them.

 

 

A lot of them do, but sometimes they just think they have to say something that they should have thought long and hard about first.

 

I do have to give her credit, I dont like her or her political views, but at least she came out and didnt deny it saying she was hacked, she came out and took the blame for saying something dumb and said "dont feel sorry or bad, I'm an idiot"

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Gugny said:

 

And part of me wants to agree with you about hiring PR people.  But, if I was a celeb, I would trust NO ONE to speak for me.

 

True, but at least they are pros and dont tweet while wasted or horny, and at the very least even if the PR person screws up, you have the out of "that was not me, that was someone hired to do a job, and they screwed up and have been fired", and still maintain your brand.

[apuszczalowski]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I notice you didnt include "arguing about your favorite football team" in there.

Have you seen some of the conversations and comments here? Its contributing to the downfall of humanity.....

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Totally agree that it seems to be a "must have," for the celebs.

 

But I don't see why they can't just make rules for themselves and stick to them.  When I joined Facebook, my personal rule was to never discuss work.  Not even good stuff.  I just avoid the topic altogether.  I know that no one can ever "misinterpret" anything I've written about my job or my place of employment, simply by not saying anything about it.

 

I don't see what's so difficult about avoiding any potentially controversial topics.

 

And part of me wants to agree with you about hiring PR people.  But, if I was a celeb, I would trust NO ONE to speak for me.

While that is a good rule to have, anything you say can look bad on you with your employer even if it wasn't work related. It's best to either not say anything controversial online or dont say anything at all. If you say something political or controversial and even if it has nothing to do with your employment, it can still look bad on you if they see it.

 

Would you hire someone or continue to employ someone who posts online that they believe the Bill's should have signed Johnny Football or drafted a kicker on day 1 or 2 of the draft????

[Gugny]

7 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

 

Would you hire someone or continue to employ someone who posts online that they believe the Bill's should have signed Johnny Football or drafted a kicker on day 1 or 2 of the draft????

 

I'd fire a Tyrod fan faster.

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

21 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said:

Nice try.  If you don't know what black face is, then I suppose your take could be relevant.  Kimmel also dressed up as Karl Malone and Charles Barkley.  None of them were done in "black face".  Mimicking or parodying a celebrity is a hell of a lot different then the origins of black face and why that particular thing is no longer acceptable.  Why the !@#$ does that even need to be explained?

 

And thanks for making me defend friggin' Jimmy Kimmel. 

I realize the difference between the origins of blackface and someone dressing as a black person with fake darkened skin for a costume or satire.  I have seen many stories and articles over the last few years outlining why the latter is offensive and honestly thought it was not acceptable either.  My original post in this thread was probably poorly conceived and written and I was not attempting to make the case that both situations were equally egregious.  I shouldn't have brought the Jimmy Kimmel stuff into the discussion and clearly would have been better off not posting it.  I was not attempting to make light of what Rosanne did and  have no problem with the repercussions she received.  I can assure you that I don't "belong back in 1960s" but I understand the issues with my ill conceived post.

[shrader]

10 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Totally agree that it seems to be a "must have," for the celebs.

 

But I don't see why they can't just make rules for themselves and stick to them.  When I joined Facebook, my personal rule was to never discuss work.  Not even good stuff.  I just avoid the topic altogether.  I know that no one can ever "misinterpret" anything I've written about my job or my place of employment, simply by not saying anything about it.

 

I don't see what's so difficult about avoiding any potentially controversial topics.

 

And part of me wants to agree with you about hiring PR people.  But, if I was a celeb, I would trust NO ONE to speak for me.

 

I'd have to imagine there are plenty out there who have no social media presence at all.  I'm not on twitter, so I have no idea who they would be, but they have to be out there. 

[Alaska Darin]

4 minutes ago, chknwing334 said:

I realize the difference between the origins of blackface and someone dressing as a black person with fake darkened skin for a costume or satire.  I have seen many stories and articles over the last few years outlining why the latter is offensive and honestly thought it was not acceptable either.  My original post in this thread was probably poorly conceived and written and I was not attempting to make the case that both situations were equally egregious.  I shouldn't have brought the Jimmy Kimmel stuff into the discussion and clearly would have been better off not posting it.  I was not attempting to make light of what Rosanne did and  have no problem with the repercussions she received.  I can assure you that I don't "belong back in 1960s" but I understand the issues with my ill conceived post.

Cool.  I understand what you're saying.  I also understand that no matter what, pretty much everything offends someone, so I try to take that into consideration when I evaluate situations. 

 

Very few things actually offend me and I can find humor in just about anything,  usually long before society would deem it appropriate. 

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

6 minutes ago, chknwing334 said:

I realize the difference between the origins of blackface and someone dressing as a black person with fake darkened skin for a costume or satire.  I have seen many stories and articles over the last few years outlining why the latter is offensive and honestly thought it was not acceptable either.  My original post in this thread was probably poorly conceived and written and I was not attempting to make the case that both situations were equally egregious.  I shouldn't have brought the Jimmy Kimmel stuff into the discussion and clearly would have been better off not posting it.  I was not attempting to make light of what Rosanne did and  have no problem with the repercussions she received.  I can assure you that I don't "belong back in 1960s" but I understand the issues with my ill conceived post.

 

Props for this post.

[JoeF]

Has anyone ever taken an Ambien?  The 5 or so times I have taken one its like frigging truth serum.   My wife and I laugh that Ambien is our honesty drug.  Those last 10 minutes before you fall asleep are hilarious.  The voice in your head that is your most candid you, is laid bare for whomever your audience is...I can believe that she was on Ambien.  I can also believe that she views the world the way her tweets portrayed. 

[The Real Buffalo Joe]

34 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Totally agree that it seems to be a "must have," for the celebs.

 

But I don't see why they can't just make rules for themselves and stick to them.  When I joined Facebook, my personal rule was to never discuss work.  Not even good stuff.  I just avoid the topic altogether.  I know that no one can ever "misinterpret" anything I've written about my job or my place of employment, simply by not saying anything about it.

 

I don't see what's so difficult about avoiding any potentially controversial topics.

 

And part of me wants to agree with you about hiring PR people.  But, if I was a celeb, I would trust NO ONE to speak for me.

Usually, celebrities that aren't actually involved with their own social media, the profiles are quite bland. Just announcements about upcoming albums, appearances, etc. Enough so fans can keep up with you without having to visit your website. 

[K-9]

5 minutes ago, JoeF said:

Has anyone ever taken an Ambien?  The 5 or so times I have taken one its like frigging truth serum.   My wife and I laugh that Ambien is our honesty drug.  Those last 10 minutes before you fall asleep are hilarious.  The voice in your head that is your most candid you, is laid bare for whomever your audience is...I can believe that she was on Ambien.  I can also believe that she views the world the way her tweets portrayed. 

It’s known that racism and xenophobia are two side effects of Ambien. Says so right on the label.

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

It’s known that racism and xenophobia are two side effects of Ambien. Says so right on the label.

 

Has Ambien ever made a commercial with an interracial couple?

[The Real Buffalo Joe]

Just a thought I had. Any chance they change the name of the show to "Dan" or "The Connors" and write her out of the show and keep going? The rest of the characters were the only reason I'd even occasionally tune into the reboot more than her.

[Gugny]

Just now, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

Just a thought I had. Any chance they change the name of the show to "Dan" or "The Connors" and write her out of the show and keep going? The rest of the characters were the only reason I'd even occasionally tune into the reboot more than her.

 

I had a similar thought.  I think it could work.  But does she own rights to the show?

[JoeF]

1 minute ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

Just a thought I had. Any chance they change the name of the show to "Dan" or "The Connors" and write her out of the show and keep going? The rest of the characters were the only reason I'd even occasionally tune into the reboot more than her.

They could say she ran off with a KKK chapter leader.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

23 minutes ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

Just a thought I had. Any chance they change the name of the show to "Dan" or "The Connors" and write her out of the show and keep going? The rest of the characters were the only reason I'd even occasionally tune into the reboot more than her.

It was either Pergament or Jeff Simon that pitched the same idea when Barr's behaviour threatened the original version of the show.  Different times, same solution.  The columnist I recall thought John Goodman's work merited it.

Edited May 30, 2018 by Ridgewaycynic2013
Typos. Why OCDs aren't front line reporters.

[Rico]

1 hour ago, shrader said:

 

I still want to know why celebrities even bother with twitter.  One wrong comment destroys everything.  Sometimes it's deserved (here), other times it's not.  They have to walk a tight rope that's thinner than dental floss on there.  It's not worth it.

No doubt if she makes the Planet of the Apes joke in her stand-up set instead of on Twitter, she still has her show.

[May Day 10]

Damn you 2018 for putting people in a position where they are debating/defending Rosanne Barr