Could a plant-based diet turn things around for Charles Clay?

[Victory Formation]

  On 5/29/2018 at 8:09 PM, klos63 said:

Yep, doesn't sound like a healthy diet to me, and even though it shouldn't be an issue with Clay's salary, the nutritionist should be able to explain that eating meat and seafood is more expensive than a plant based diet. I don't think Clay wants to go shopping and actually prepare his own meals. That's where it becomes less expensive.

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That's a good point, you can buy 25lbs of rice for $10 and 10lbs of oats for $8. I always get sucked into the protein thing, when I was in my 20s I'd eat 280g of protein a day, my grocery bill was $400 minimum.

[MJS]

  On 5/29/2018 at 7:37 PM, klos63 said:

they all can contribute to heart disease and cancer.

something like 97% percent of the population has enough protein in their diet, about 97% don't have enough fiber, which is very important and not found in meat.

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Yes, I also thought about mentioning fiber. Practically nobody gets enough fiber. Fiber helps regulate blood sugar and absorb sugars more slowly, thus helping reduce the risk of diabetes. No wonder diabetes is so incredibly prevelent these days.

[klos63]

  On 5/29/2018 at 8:17 PM, MJS said:

 

Yes, I also thought about mentioning fiber. Practically nobody gets enough fiber. Fiber helps regulate blood sugar and absorb sugars more slowly, thus helping reduce the risk of diabetes. No wonder diabetes is so incredibly prevelent these days.

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I'm sure someone will go off on us for writing about food, but once you start a healthy diet, it's mind boggling that most people eat such unhealthy foods and are almost proud of it. Diabetes, heart disease and cancer are all a growing problem.

[elroy16]

  On 5/29/2018 at 8:09 PM, klos63 said:

Yep, doesn't sound like a healthy diet to me, and even though it shouldn't be an issue with Clay's salary, the nutritionist should be able to explain that eating meat and seafood is more expensive than a plant based diet. I don't think Clay wants to go shopping and actually prepare his own meals. That's where it becomes less expensive.

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They can't force the players to adhere to whatever diet the nutritionist wants. He said he tried to go vegan, maybe that's what the nutritionist tried to get him to do, but he admitted he couldn't do it.

 

The article goes into few details of his diet which is why your conclusions about the nutritionist are so funny to me. 

[YoloinOhio]

  On 5/29/2018 at 8:09 PM, John from Riverside said:

Too many "to go turtles"

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Blast from the past! Whatever happened to our udfa hero Eric Striker?

[BillsFan130]

  On 5/29/2018 at 7:41 PM, klos63 said:

Don't get fixated on protein, it's one of those urban legend type things. Just eat a normal, healthy diet and you'll have plenty of protein. I've been vegan for years and my protein levels are right where they should be.

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There is a huge difference between what you need, and what professional athletes need though.

 

Bare minimum, athletes need .8 grams of protein per BW in pounds, and research has even shown 1.2 grams per BW is ideal if trying to gain muscle mass

 

Edited May 29, 2018 by billsfan11

[Victory Formation]

  On 5/29/2018 at 8:54 PM, billsfan11 said:

There is a huge difference between what you need, and what professional athletes need though.

 

Bare minimum, athletes need 1 gram of protein per BW in pounds, and research has even shown 1.2 grams per BW is ideal.

 

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Some studies say up to 1.8g per lb of bodyweight, but I think most of the research is done by supplement companies. At 210 I was getting in 280g and I was shitting pellets.

[BillsFan130]

  On 5/29/2018 at 9:00 PM, NewDayBills said:

Some studies say up to 1.8g per lb of bodyweight, but I think most of the research is done by supplement companies. At 210 I was getting in 280g and I was shitting pellets.

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Haha that’s pretty extreme though.

 

I train athletes, (not professionals though) and I can’t say I’ve ever heard of 1.8 grams per lbs. I’ve heard 1.8 grams in KGs but not in lbs. 

[Saxum]

  On 5/29/2018 at 7:36 PM, MJS said:

 

I think plant based would be a lot better diet for most people, simply because it cuts out a lot of fast food and other garbage.

 

I understand that protein is important, but I think a lot of people focus on that too much. I've never met anyone with a protein deficiency. People usually get plenty, even on a plant based diet. Now, a professional athlete would definitely need more, for sure.

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You are incorrect on these matters.  You can get plenty of fast junk food plant based.  French fries are a big example.  I have known plenty of people who were true vegetarians who had protein deficiencies.  This is a big issue for elderly vegetarians for meat is the most efficient way to get proteins especially the essential amino acids proteins provide. 

[HOUSE]

I worked in a plant for 30 years

 

this will never work

[Ralonzo]

  On 5/29/2018 at 4:22 PM, Augie said:

 

Interesting... I saw a study that if you DO eat....you’ll still die!

 

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Correct, here is a link

 

https://www.theonion.com/world-death-rate-holding-steady-at-100-percent-1819564171

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...is there a "certain plant" he may be considering?.....

[Augie]

  On 5/29/2018 at 9:47 PM, Ralonzo said:

 

Correct, here is a link

 

https://www.theonion.com/world-death-rate-holding-steady-at-100-percent-1819564171

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It was just a hunch I had, but this PROVES it! 

 

 

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[Rocky Landing]

I lost a significant amount of weight a couple years ago on diet, and exercise. I have since learned not to talk about it with people, because, like taxes, and childrearing, just about everyone is a #*@&ing expert.

[Augie]

  On 5/29/2018 at 9:48 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...is there a "certain plant" he may be considering?.....

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Hint: It’s legal in Colorado and it can be made into edibles.....  If he starts wearing a little sailor hat you know he’s on his new “diet”. 

[Mr. WEO]

  On 5/29/2018 at 2:55 PM, mattynh said:

Eating plants prevents meniscus tears in the knee when subjected to trauma?

 

6 million AFTER taxes (he makes like 9 million per)...yeah that does not go that far anymore...inflation is a real thing

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He isn't banking 6 million after taxes....

[SouthNYfan]

  On 5/29/2018 at 4:05 PM, MJS said:

 

Fresh produce is cheap. There are some things that are expensive, but the most common produce that people eat are cheap (potatoes, apples, bananas, carrots, celery, lettuce -- all cheap).

 

I'm not vegan, but my family and I eat only a little meat and use mostly fresh produce, along with grains, legumes, etc. We eat very cheaply compared to most people.

 

I guess if you are trying to have fake meat and dairy and already prepared vegan meals things can get expensive.

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Yes, those common things are cheap.

To eat an actual healthy, balanced, nutritious diet, the stuff is expensive, especially when you're a pro athlete who needs 6k+ calories a day.

You also need to supplement full vegan with pills most times for essential vitamins and Amino acids.

Having said that he makes $$$ even after taxes.

He can stuff it.

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[PirateHookerMD]

  On 5/29/2018 at 6:59 PM, NewDayBills said:

Oatmeal is a permanent fixture for breakfast for me, got to have complex carbs first thing in the morning, there is no other option. I'm strongly considering a high protein plant based diet but I don't know where to start. My diet has been absolutely garbage for 6 years.

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The starter book I recommend for people looking into a whole food plant based diet is the Engine 2: Seven Day Rescue Diet. Lots of great info and crash course in plant based eating. The Engine 2 cookbook is good as well. Even if you can make 50-75% of your meals plant based can have a huge impact. 

 

Theres no need to be worried about your protein intake. Lots of vegetable based protein options. 

 

 

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[Hapless Bills Fan]

  On 5/29/2018 at 8:09 PM, klos63 said:

Yep, doesn't sound like a healthy diet to me, and even though it shouldn't be an issue with Clay's salary, the nutritionist should be able to explain that eating meat and seafood is more expensive than a plant based diet. I don't think Clay wants to go shopping and actually prepare his own meals. That's where it becomes less expensive.

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It kind of depends?  We were vegetarian for years, now we eat fish as well.  I've had this conversation with a couple buds from college who are confirmed carnivores.  We established they spend significantly less on food than we do.  Yeah, beans and rice and potatoes are inexpensive, but good quality fresh produce can be costly, and vegan ingredients like tofu or tempah etc are considerably more expensive than meats, especially factory farmed meats.

 

       

 

 

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

  On 5/29/2018 at 10:07 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

He isn't banking 6 million after taxes....

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Yeah you are right I guess depends on where you live and work......if he lived in NH he would have pretty close to the 6 mil....