Gugny Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 15 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: But, Buffalo is Buffalo. People were happy that the Bills regionalized because they understood that was the best way to keep the team long term. How many people go to a typical UB home game? They averaged 13,350/game. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Buffalo_Bulls_football_team
steven50 Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 On 5/26/2018 at 10:03 AM, JohnC said: Ask the taxi industry if Uber hasn't affected their business? You claim that the newspaper industry isn't adapting. It is. It is eliminating the paper and going digital where it can. It still has to figure out the economics of a subscriber model. I think there is more to it then that. The Buffalo News has become less and less "Buffalo" every year for the last 15 years. I think there is still value a local newspaper can have covering local things. Sports is a great example. When was the last time the Bills or Sabres had a major trade or event and the story was broke by the Buffalo News or even WGR? Our local reporters are always reporting what someone else has said has happened with the teams. When the Russ Brandon stuff broke I was listening to our local guys try to get confirmation about what was going on with the team two miles from there home from a guy in another state. That is crazy. The news isn't really news anymore it is just regurgitated stuff from the NY times and opinion pieces. If they actually covered real local things then I would still be reading. 1
BigDingus Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 What is TBN? And does this impact the Bills in some way? Asking seriously, not trying to be rude. Just haven't heard it spoken of on these boards or anything.
BringBackOrton Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 1 hour ago, steven50 said: I think there is more to it then that. The Buffalo News has become less and less "Buffalo" every year for the last 15 years. I think there is still value a local newspaper can have covering local things. Sports is a great example. When was the last time the Bills or Sabres had a major trade or event and the story was broke by the Buffalo News or even WGR? Our local reporters are always reporting what someone else has said has happened with the teams. When the Russ Brandon stuff broke I was listening to our local guys try to get confirmation about what was going on with the team two miles from there home from a guy in another state. That is crazy. The news isn't really news anymore it is just regurgitated stuff from the NY times and opinion pieces. If they actually covered real local things then I would still be reading. Stories are almost never broken by local media in any market, because agents are one of the main sources and they all have relationships with the National guys. 1
PromoTheRobot Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 5 hours ago, BigDingus said: What is TBN? And does this impact the Bills in some way? Asking seriously, not trying to be rude. Just haven't heard it spoken of on these boards or anything. TBN = The Buffalo News.
Cripple Creek Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 9 hours ago, Gugny said: They averaged 13,350/game. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Buffalo_Bulls_football_team Thank you. The uproar must have been ear splitting. I totally get it now.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 13 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: The sports comparison was the one I was making. That there is a "Cal," a Penn State, an Ohio State, etc. That was the thinking behind the New York branding. It wasn't a comparison of institutions on an academic level. Dave McBride did qualify his statement "...as SUNY schools" so he isn't wrong. But unlike the California system they were supposedly modeled on, SUNY placed no value on major level athletics. UB has been playing catch up since. I understood McBride's qualification. I think the point is germaine that UB existed as "UB" for >100 yrs and had significant local brand before it re-branded and became SUNY/Buffalo
Rochesterfan Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 9 hours ago, Gugny said: They averaged 13,350/game. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Buffalo_Bulls_football_team Yes and as their team team has had more success and had players drafted and played higher competition- the number has gone up - including building a new stadium to house the increase in fans. If UB could take on a mantle of a powerhouse state school - like a Penn State or Ohio State or even a lesser degree Oklahoma State, NC State type and get some additional funding - they could increase their athletic pull more - and take over what Syracuse used to be - the dominant NYS athletic school. 1
Rochesterfan Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 6 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: Stories are almost never broken by local media in any market, because agents are one of the main sources and they all have relationships with the National guys. But the old time reporters - Felser and Carruci version 1 and especially Jim Kelley - had great insight and communication with the owners, coaching staff, and players and could be counted and trusted to get the whole story and present it in a fair way - that allowed them to break stories and be the guy the national people went to. Bucky, Sully, and Sal from Rochester- have lost/never developed those connections and have actually pushed the organizations away. Therefore very little gets out of OBD to the local team and we are left with the national guys breaking everything. Many markets - local guys get wind and are the sources to national guys - look to NY with Metta and Cleveland with Cabbott. These guys have established and cultivated their organizational contacts for years and don’t present the team as a bunch of bumwads - even though a place like Cleveland has had less success than Buffalo over the last 20 years and even lost their team. That is what TBN is/was missing - without a trusted source - the Bills and Sabres basically froze TBN out and the staff got more and more bitter. When Kryk in Toronto is actually one of the preferred and go to reporters over TBN - there is an issue. 1 1
PromoTheRobot Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said: Yes and as their team team has had more success and had players drafted and played higher competition- the number has gone up - including building a new stadium to house the increase in fans. If UB could take on a mantle of a powerhouse state school - like a Penn State or Ohio State or even a lesser degree Oklahoma State, NC State type and get some additional funding - they could increase their athletic pull more - and take over what Syracuse used to be - the dominant NYS athletic school. I hope Bills fans take note that UB plays Eastern Michigan the same weekend as the Bills home opener. If you are in town Saturday 6pm why not catch the game? UB has a nice tailgate party with country singer Chase Bryant performing. Parking is free. There are some nice spots to tailgate by the small lake on campus. http://ubbulls.com/tickets/football/whynotus Edited June 2, 2018 by PromoTheRobot
BringBackOrton Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said: But the old time reporters - Felser and Carruci version 1 and especially Jim Kelley - had great insight and communication with the owners, coaching staff, and players and could be counted and trusted to get the whole story and present it in a fair way - that allowed them to break stories and be the guy the national people went to. Bucky, Sully, and Sal from Rochester- have lost/never developed those connections and have actually pushed the organizations away. Therefore very little gets out of OBD to the local team and we are left with the national guys breaking everything. Many markets - local guys get wind and are the sources to national guys - look to NY with Metta and Cleveland with Cabbott. These guys have established and cultivated their organizational contacts for years and don’t present the team as a bunch of bumwads - even though a place like Cleveland has had less success than Buffalo over the last 20 years and even lost their team. That is what TBN is/was missing - without a trusted source - the Bills and Sabres basically froze TBN out and the staff got more and more bitter. When Kryk in Toronto is actually one of the preferred and go to reporters over TBN - there is an issue. That's from a different era. Metta's track record for breaking accurate stories is actually not great, and I'm not familiar with Cabbott's work. I am quite confident that even with a few exceptions worth mentioning, almost zero local guys in all markets have stories before Schefter and the gang get them with any sort of consistency, for reasons posted above.
Peter Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: That's from a different era. Metta's track record for breaking accurate stories is actually not great, and I'm not familiar with Cabbott's work. I am quite confident that even with a few exceptions worth mentioning, almost zero local guys in all markets have stories before Schefter and the gang get them with any sort of consistency, for reasons posted above. Tim Graham has broken stories. Vic has broken stories. JW has as well. Even Rodak has broken stories . . . which makes it all the more embarrassing for Sully, Bucky, and Harrington. Edited June 2, 2018 by Peter
BringBackOrton Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Peter said: Tim Graham has broken stories. Vic has broken stories. JW has as well. Even Rodak has broken stories . . . which makes it all the more embarrassing for Sully, Bucky, and Harrington. The only story I can think of in the last 5 years that TG broke was the Russ Brandon story. I'm not sure Vic has had anything notable in the last decade. JW struggles to "break" stories due to the rigorous standards of the AP, but that's the price you pay for guaranteed quality journalism.
Peter Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: The only story I can think of in the last 5 years that TG broke was the Russ Brandon story. I'm not sure Vic has had anything notable in the last decade. JW struggles to "break" stories due to the rigorous standards of the AP, but that's the price you pay for guaranteed quality journalism. By way of example, Tim and JW each broke stories relating to the Bills sale etc. as I recall. Vic was the one that wrote that Rex was likely to get fired if the Bills did not make the playoffs. Edited June 2, 2018 by Peter
BringBackOrton Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, Peter said: By way of example, Tim and JW each broke stories relating to the Bills sale etc. as I recall. Vic was the one that wrote that Rex was likely to get fired if the Bills did not make the playoffs. That makes one story 4 years ago. That's kinda the point.
Peter Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: That makes one story 4 years ago. That's kinda the point. These are just off the top of my head. The fact is that they DO break stories. They DO have access. The guys you are defending have broken nothing, nil, zilch. P.S. You are not able to count. Edited June 2, 2018 by Peter Edit
BringBackOrton Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 Just now, Peter said: These are just off the top of my head. The fact is that they DO break stories. They DO have access. The guys you are defending have broken nothing, nil, zilch. I just don't see the difference between 1 and zero, when the national guys have broken the last couple 100.
BillsFan4 Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 What I miss the most from the Buffalo News is all of those inside access/behind the scenes stories they used to write. I dont know what exactly happened, or why they stopped. That was info that you couldn't get anywhere else. It made the Buffalo News sports section (at the time) a "Must Read" for me. If TBN not writing as many inside access stories was due to their reporters having bad relationships with Pegula (It wasn't too long after Pegula bought the Sabres that you heard rumors of a fallout between them and TBN, and shortly after that it seemed like many of those behind the scenes, inside access pieces started drying up), I really hope bringing in new blood opens that door up again.
Peter Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 Just now, BringBackOrton said: I just don't see the difference between 1 and zero, when the national guys have broken the last couple 100. Again, you are unable to count.
BringBackOrton Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, Peter said: Again, you are unable to count. Who broke every single FA and trade for the Bills this offseason? Hint: Not Vic, or Tim Graham.
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