National Anthem Solution

[boyst]

Just now, JinxedBill1 said:

I'm active duty stationed in AZ.  Been in for 13 now.  Read my lips, no one cares about this in the military.  We have stressful lives and could give two shoes about what they do during the anthem.  We want to watch football to distract us from our stressful jobs.  Don't feed the media.

 

You will be forced to care. If you don't you're insensitive and racist also supporting hitler

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

How many employers would force their employees to stand for the anthem before their shift? It is more complicated than protesting in the work place. The players didn't ask to stand and show fake patriotism. The anthem has nothing to do with their jobs.

It doesn't matter how many "would" but how many "could."  Couldn't they all?  Couldn't Merrill Lynch put that in their employee contracts?

 

So if they could, then this is a non-point.

[boyst]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

How many where kneeling at the end of the year?  How many articles written about protest at end of year?

 

and How much did they really suffer still gaining a Billion in revenue from 13B to 14B 

 

so tell me again how this had nothing to do with 45 even after the owners even mention his mouth was part of the discussions. 

This has nothing to do with 45 because this is all about ignorance and fascism... This is about stupidity and people who actually have an IQ low enough to qualify to play in the NFL. 

 

You're obtuse, you're impossible, and you're just downright silly with no possible way to have an adult conversation. The levels which you support your thought maintain that of a Fourth Grade premise and it's insulting to those who would actually be able to carry on a conversation about this. So I just ask that you let this be, because it's well beyond your grasp and I'm fairly certain that you could recognize that. I'll let you borrow what crayon paste and glitter for your reply

[macaroni]

5 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Well, you can thank Colin Kaepernick for dancing the line of raising awareness and being a disrespectful idiot.

 

 

Ahhhhhhhh .... I have my own hypothesis on how the whole thing started. Keep in mind that I have no idea what Kaepernick was thinking, or what was truly in his heart at the time ... but the whole "I'm protesting social injustice" thing just doesn't ring true to me. I know it's contrary to the media reports ... and I SHOULD take a mans word ... but.

 

If you'll remember Kap's "protest" originally started with him not joining the team during the national anthem and choosing to sit quietly on the bench by himself. In my mind that is contrary behavior by a man who's entire life was spent as a teammate, and contrary to a man trying to get a message out to the media. You will also remember the original instance of the "protest" was the week Kap was benched ... the only reason it got media exposure was to see how he was handling his benching.

 

I propose Kap's actions weren't as much as a social injustice protest as it was the team don't love me ... I don't love the team, I'm gonna eat some worms. When asked by the media WHY he sat on the bench during the team gathering for the anthem, fully expecting Kap to lash out at the team, Kap took the high road figuring if I said I'm pouting about being benched wouldn't sound so good, so he grasped at the headlines of the day (the police shooting unarmed/innocent black men) the media broadcast that and the protest "got legs".

 

Once again I could be completely wrong ... but I would have thought if the social injustice angle was REALLY a thing pre original protest, Kap would have discussed it (and his intention to protest) in the locker room prior to that game . Additionally, because the social injustice was and is real, he would have had at least SOME support of his teammates, and there would have been more than just him protesting.

 

Just my hypothesis ... could be completely wrong, could be right. But in the end the PROPER message was sent by the players.

[SouthNYfan]

3 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

This has nothing to do with 45 because this is all about ignorance and fascism... This is about stupidity and people who actually have an IQ low enough to qualify to play in the NFL. 

 

You're obtuse, you're impossible, and you're just downright silly with no possible way to have an adult conversation. The levels which you support your thought maintain that of a Fourth Grade premise and it's insulting to those who would actually be able to carry on a conversation about this. So I just ask that you let this be, because it's well beyond your grasp and I'm fairly certain that you could recognize that. I'll let you borrow what crayon paste and glitter for your reply

 

I'm pretty sure there are quite a few NFL players who would disagree with your IQ assessment.

Sherman, Fitzpatrick, and Luck are a good start.

 

[BringBackOrton]

1 minute ago, macaroni said:

 

 

Ahhhhhhhh .... I have my own hypothesis on how the whole thing started. Keep in mind that I have no idea what Kaepernick was thinking, or what was truly in his heart at the time ... but the whole "I'm protesting social injustice" thing just doesn't ring true to me. I know it's contrary to the media reports ... and I SHOULD take a mans word ... but.

 

If you'll remember Kap's "protest" originally started with him not joining the team during the national anthem and choosing to sit quietly on the bench by himself. In my mind that is contrary behavior by a man who's entire life was spent as a teammate, and contrary to a man trying to get a message out to the media. You will also remember the original instance of the "protest" was the week Kap was benched ... the only reason it got media exposure was to see how he was handling his benching.

 

I propose Kap's actions weren't as much as a social injustice protest as it was the team don't love me ... I don't love the team, I'm gonna eat some worms. When asked by the media WHY he sat on the bench during the team gathering for the anthem, fully expecting Kap to lash out at the team, Kap took the high road figuring if I said I'm pouting about being benched wouldn't sound so good, so he grasped at the headlines of the day (the police shooting unarmed/innocent black men) the media broadcast that and the protest "got legs".

 

Once again I could be completely wrong ... but I would have thought if the social injustice angle was REALLY a thing pre original protest, Kap would have discussed it (and his intention to protest) in the locker room prior to that game . Additionally, because the social injustice was and is real, he would have had at least SOME support of his teammates, and there would have been more than just him protesting.

 

Just my hypothesis ... could be completely wrong, could be right. But in the end the PROPER message was sent by the players.

I agree its possible.  

 

Kaep also did other things to taint the message.  The voting thing, the pig socks.  If his goal was peaceful protest to raise awareness without being disrespectful, he went about it the wrong way and inflamed people against him.  Bad move.  And that's why the other players have had pushback.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

One simple question 

 

On Monday what is everyone doing?  Having a day of remembering or BBQing Drinking wearing their flag clothes?

 

....serving hot dogs dripping mustard & relish onto Flag-themed plates then wiping dirty mouths with Flag-themed napkins

[MAJBobby]

6 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

This has nothing to do with 45 because this is all about ignorance and fascism... This is about stupidity and people who actually have an IQ low enough to qualify to play in the NFL. 

 

You're obtuse, you're impossible, and you're just downright silly with no possible way to have an adult conversation. The levels which you support your thought maintain that of a Fourth Grade premise and it's insulting to those who would actually be able to carry on a conversation about this. So I just ask that you let this be, because it's well beyond your grasp and I'm fairly certain that you could recognize that. I'll let you borrow what crayon paste and glitter for your reply

 

Nice Ignorant statement from you there. Wouldnt expect anything less 

[Cripple Creek]

2 hours ago, mrags said:

 

First of all. Thank you for your service. 

 

Unfortunatey where you are wrong is that the NFL has mandated that if you are out on the field you will stand for the national anthem. It is their rule and their company. And the players are employees of their company. And if they don’t like it, they can sit in the locker room prior to the anthem or look elsewhere for a new job. I heard the Hamilton Tiget Cats are looking for NFL caliber players nowadays. 

So, he’s wrong for having an opinion that’s different than yours? I believe his point was that he saw no disrespect, no point was made about the new NFL policy except by you.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

....serving hot dogs dripping mustard & relish onto Flag-themed plates then wiping dirty mouths with Flag-themed napkins

 

Yep and the Hypocritical open Violation of the US Flag code. But yes Kneeling is disrespect 

Edited May 25, 2018 by MAJBobby

[boyst]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

Yep and they Hypocritical open Violation of the US Flag code. But yes Kneeling is disrespect 

Show me on this doll where those who love America hurt you.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, Cripple Creek said:

Heresy 

 

violation of US Flag Code, anyway

 

[boyst]

4 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

I'm pretty sure there are quite a few NFL players who would disagree with your IQ assessment.

Sherman, Fitzpatrick, and Luck are a good start.

 

And are those the ones running their mouth or acting like fools?

 

Sherman is shrewd af and does his schtick as his brand. Nothing else. Dude is a genius and makes his stuff work. 

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Boyst62 said:

Show me on this doll where those who love America hurt you.

 

So Openly Violation of the US Flag code is a way they show their Love for America. Ha ha ha ha

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

Show me on this doll where those who love America hurt you.

 

And using Flag-printed clothing and paper goods is still a violation of US Flag Code (as every boy scout used to know) and as properly interpreted as disrespect as failing to stand at attention facing the flag with one's hat off, before and after your snarky remark there, Son

 

But somehow I must have missed the great political indignation off of companies profiting and consumers using flag-themed disposable goods and clothing.  Nothing says "patriotism" and "respect" like skidmarks on one's flag-printed skivvies

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

And using Flag-printed clothing and paper goods is still a violation of US Flag Code (as every boy scout used to know) and as properly interpreted as disrespect as failing to stand at attention facing the flag with one's hat off, before and after your snarky remark there, Son

I believe they are just called scouts now.....

[MAJBobby]

20 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

It doesn't violate it,

 

Sure it does. Everything printed by Hapless that i quoted is a direct violation of the US Flag code. But hey go disrespect the nation away

[boyst]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

And using Flag-printed clothing and paper goods is still a violation of US Flag Code (as every boy scout used to know) and as properly interpreted as disrespect as failing to stand at attention facing the flag with one's hat off, before and after your snarky remark there, Son

Representations of the flag aren't violations of the flag act, plus it was a supreme Court case that overruled that code as illegsl

[HappyDays]

53 minutes ago, vorpma said:

If I want politics I will not go to a sporting event 

 

Okay well if I want to see a display of patriotism why would I go to a sporting event? They have nothing to do with each other at all. Like if every time I went to Tim Hortons they made me say the pledge of allegiance before buying my coffee, I suppose that would be their prerogative, but I would sure think it was stupid.

And has anyone who thinks these protests are disrespectful donated time or money to veterans' causes? If demanding professional athletes stand for the anthem is the full extent of your activism, I would suggest putting your money where your mouth is.

[MAJBobby]

15 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

It doesn't violate it

 

i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

 

 

so enjoy your violation of the US flag code