SouthNYfan Posted May 26, 2018 Posted May 26, 2018 2 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said: What do you expect? It's the 1st time since 1983 that the Bills drafted a 1st round QB while also passing on other 1st round QB's. Allen, Rosen, and Jackson will forever be linked. Get use to it, it will only get worse. Hopefully it's Allen people say is the best. Darnold will be put in there too, people will b*tch we didn't trade up to #2 to get him if he's better than Allen.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 26, 2018 Posted May 26, 2018 1 hour ago, TheTruthHurts said: Yes, they both could be good. The comparison will live on throughout their careers. In an ideal world, it could be Elway/Kelly/Marino where there are several great QB you can win with drafted in the 1st, and in between an outright bust, and a couple QB who were serviceable but not on the same level (Blackledge (bust), Eason and Ken O'Brien)
SouthNYfan Posted May 26, 2018 Posted May 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: McBeanes careers in Buffalo will be determined by Allen. If he busts these guys will be gone in two/three years and be flamed in the process.(no pun intended) If he succeeds they will be around for a long time. I don't disagre fully. McDermott might have more leeway depending on whether or not he had much input in Allen (though I suspect he did) I think Beane gets leeway if every other move works well.
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 26, 2018 Posted May 26, 2018 57 minutes ago, The Red King said: That's why this thread was created, and sadly there will be more. >.> Looking at this thread and the thread regarding the decline of quality print journalism, it's too bad we can't line birdcages and litter boxes with some of the threads that show up on message boards. 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 26, 2018 Posted May 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: McBeanes careers in Buffalo will be determined by Allen. If he busts these guys will be gone in two/three years and be flamed in the process.(no pun intended) If he succeeds they will be around for a long time. To be truthful, I hope that's not true. Part of what's crippled the Bills (IMO) is having GMs afraid to pull the trigger and take their best shot, knowing there is a better than 50% chance that guy will bust out. Another part of what's crippled the Bills is firing and hiring new coaches every 2-3 years. 2 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 26, 2018 Posted May 26, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: To be truthful, I hope that's not true. Part of what's crippled the Bills (IMO) is having GMs afraid to pull the trigger and take their best shot, knowing there is a better than 50% chance that guy will bust out. Another part of what's crippled the Bills is firing and hiring new coaches every 2-3 years. ....cannot agree more....this organization FINALLY run by FOOTBALL people from FO to Admin to "between the stripes" is shaping up to be the best since the Polian era and perhaps will prove even better....so now we judge the FO/Admin based on ONE pick?.....and if that pick busts, we fire up the revolving door?....makes perfect sense to.....EVERY GM league wide would be on a one year deal although some TBD pundits would prefer OBD issues a 1/2 year deal......quick re-visit to the Steelers model: THREE HC's in 48 years....same GM since 2000....SIX Lombardis on the shelf.......their "revolving door" is off the hinges..... Edited May 26, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy 3
Golden Goat Posted May 26, 2018 Posted May 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Looking at this thread and the thread regarding the decline of quality print journalism, it's too bad we can't line birdcages and litter boxes with some of the threads that show up on message boards. You don't have a printer? 1
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 26, 2018 Posted May 26, 2018 19 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: You don't have a printer? That will be the day I waste good quality paper and ink on some of the natterings posted here. ? 1 1
John from Riverside Posted May 26, 2018 Posted May 26, 2018 5 hours ago, Bangarang said: The Cardinals won’t care how big of a prick he was or still is if he helps them win a lot of games. No they wont.....but a veteran might JP Losman him if he doesnt know how to close that trap of his
John from Riverside Posted May 26, 2018 Posted May 26, 2018 4 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said: What do you expect? It's the 1st time since 1983 that the Bills drafted a 1st round QB while also passing on other 1st round QB's. Allen, Rosen, and Jackson will forever be linked. Get use to it, it will only get worse. Hopefully it's Allen people say is the best. I really dont understand why it has to be a either or situation They might both end up being good...that could also happen. This was a very anticipated qb draft
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 26, 2018 Posted May 26, 2018 Kinda sad how people seem to be rooting for Rosen to be hurt. Would you be cool if the Cards fans had a thread like this speculating on Allen getting hurt? 55 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: No they wont.....but a veteran might JP Losman him if he doesnt know how to close that trap of his This is such a lazy comparison. Rosen speaks out about social injustices. JP was a douche who didn’t really like sports.
John from Riverside Posted May 26, 2018 Posted May 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Kinda sad how people seem to be rooting for Rosen to be hurt. Would you be cool if the Cards fans had a thread like this speculating on Allen getting hurt? This is such a lazy comparison. Rosen speaks out about social injustices. JP was a douche who didn’t really like sports. I honestly dont care what Card fans think It is a a bit of a lazy comparison because no two players are exactly alike....like comparing Mayfield and Manziel is also lazy. Josh Rosen was the most accurate passer in this draft.....given the warts (but high ceilings) of the qbs drafted ahead of him there HAS to be things in his mental makeup/physical history that caused him to drop or he should have been the number 1 concensous overall pick in this draft.
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 26, 2018 Posted May 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: Just wait until Rosen gets his bell rung a few times by some determined, quality NFL D-Linemen, who treat QB's like "they want to keep food off of my Kid's table".. Fun fact, Rosen missed less games in college than Allen. Maybe we shouldn’t be talking crap about another qb getting injured. Just now, John from Riverside said: I honestly dont care what Card fans think It is a a bit of a lazy comparison because no two players are exactly alike....like comparing Mayfield and Manziel is also lazy. Josh Rosen was the most accurate passer in this draft.....given the warts (but high ceilings) of the qbs drafted ahead of him there HAS to be things in his mental makeup/physical history that caused him to drop or he should have been the number 1 concensous overall pick in this draft. Because the nfl is completely conservative league that wants their players to be mindless robots. My question, and we will never know, if Allen and Rosen had the same exact personality, who would have been the pick?
John from Riverside Posted May 26, 2018 Posted May 26, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Fun fact, Rosen missed less games in college than Allen. Maybe we shouldn’t be talking crap about another qb getting injured. I dont want to see any of these guys get hurt. There is a difference between different types of injuries.....and if the rumors of Rosen having committment issues are true more concussions will end his NFL career early. Before the draft I was a Rosen guy......he does not play in our conference so I wish him not ill will....I now do not think he was a fit for Buffalo 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Fun fact, Rosen missed less games in college than Allen. Maybe we shouldn’t be talking crap about another qb getting injured. Because the nfl is completely conservative league that wants their players to be mindless robots. My question, and we will never know, if Allen and Rosen had the same exact personality, who would have been the pick? I honestly dont think Rosen and Allen would ever have the same type of personality. Different upbringings 1 2
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 26, 2018 Posted May 26, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: I dont want to see any of these guys get hurt. There is a difference between different types of injuries.....and if the rumors of Rosen having committment issues are true more concussions will end his NFL career early. Before the draft I was a Rosen guy......he does not play in our conference so I wish him not ill will....I now do not think he was a fit for Buffalo I always think the best qb is the best fit. I think Rosen is the better qb and now is in a better situation for success. But I agree with your post and hope they both turn out great. Nfl is better with more good qbs.
John from Riverside Posted May 26, 2018 Posted May 26, 2018 14 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I always think the best qb is the best fit. I think Rosen is the better qb and now is in a better situation for success. But I agree with your post and hope they both turn out great. Nfl is better with more good qbs. My gut tells me that both are going to be good NFL qbs because Arizona is going to coach Rosen to stop putting himself in a position to take unecessary hits I think Allen will not be as good in his first year but will get better and better as time goes on and we will be very glad that we drafted him. I know that people hearing about the arm and buffalo weather thing......and I think it is being overblown BUT.....the winds of Buffalo is a real thing.....and a arm that can cut threw them at a crucial time is a welcome thing.
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 26, 2018 Posted May 26, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: My gut tells me that both are going to be good NFL qbs because Arizona is going to coach Rosen to stop putting himself in a position to take unecessary hits I think Allen will not be as good in his first year but will get better and better as time goes on and we will be very glad that we drafted him. I know that people hearing about the arm and buffalo weather thing......and I think it is being overblown BUT.....the winds of Buffalo is a real thing.....and a arm that can cut threw them at a crucial time is a welcome thing. No offense but I hate that reason. There are maybe like 2 games like that and Brady and hell Chad Pennington could win games here with those conditions. 1
Augie Posted May 26, 2018 Posted May 26, 2018 I’m glad Rosen hasn’t bumped his head yet. I hope that is NOT the reason we are happy a decade from now we picked Allen, but I see it as a real possibility.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 26, 2018 Posted May 26, 2018 14 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Seriously? One 9-7 year and all of a sudden they are looking as good as the Polian era Bills? That's an insult. The jury is WAYYYYY out on that one. They live and die by Allen. It's the way the league works and rightfully so. ...guess insults are my strong suits....IGNORE may be an option...........
Scorp83 Posted May 26, 2018 Posted May 26, 2018 On 5/24/2018 at 4:35 PM, Klaista2k said: I was listening to Colin Cowherd and he said according to league sources Rosen is already blowing everyone away. According to the source Rosen "looked incredible" and is already a virtual lock to be starting week 1. Did we mess this up? Without a doubt! Drafting Allen is so Billsy On 5/24/2018 at 4:39 PM, Returntoglory said: I just don't get why some of you feel you need to stir the pot and post **** like this. ? Because the Allen pick was HORRIBLE & WILL CONTINUE TO BE HORRIBLE UNTIL OTHERWISE NOTED On 5/24/2018 at 4:56 PM, Ramza86 said: Lets wait and see what his scrawny little body does when its drilled into the ground this season. ?? On 5/24/2018 at 4:42 PM, DJB said: who cares!!!! Sad...just sad. On 5/24/2018 at 4:57 PM, HappyDays said: From reports today Josh Allen is also looking good. Of course the OP is on a crusade so he won't acknowledge that. Where you get that info? From my understanding he's throwing dumb offs... & practicing with the 3rd string. His competition is just like his collegiate career....below average. Rosen is going against Sam Bradford in one of the most complicated offenses in the league & he knows 50% of the playbook already. So how is Allen completing passes to Ray Ray McCloud on the 3rd string offense is considered doing good??? ???
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