Peter Posted May 28, 2018 Posted May 28, 2018 If the the Bengals/Ravens play were repeated 100 times, how many of the 100 times would 4th and 12 from the 49 result in a TD? One of 100? Two of 100? If the refs had not thrown the controversial late flag on the Colts on the two point conversion (on a play the Patriots never get a penalty), would the Bills have made the playoffs? It is great that the Bills made the playoffs, but if you think that there was not some luck involved, we disagree. I am actually happy that we had a bit of luck given that we have not seemed to have had any luck for so long. The 2018 version of the Buffalo Bills (at least on paper) is not as talented as the 2017 version (which actually performed worse than the 2016 version in point differential and relative offensive and defensive rankings). As a result, I am going into this season not expecting the team to be in the playoffs so that I will be pleasantly surprised if they do and not overly dissapointed if they do not.
Jaywrizzo Posted May 28, 2018 Posted May 28, 2018 I guess you can convince yourself of anything you want......Everyone knows they lucked into the playoffs....I don't even think their coach was looking to make it. But hey....Bill's fans are Bill's fans!
The Red King Posted May 28, 2018 Author Posted May 28, 2018 26 minutes ago, Peter said: If the the Bengals/Ravens play were repeated 100 times, how many of the 100 times would 4th and 12 from the 49 result in a TD? One of 100? Two of 100? If the refs had not thrown the controversial late flag on the Colts on the two point conversion (on a play the Patriots never get a penalty), would the Bills have made the playoffs? It is great that the Bills made the playoffs, but if you think that there was not some luck involved, we disagree. I am actually happy that we had a bit of luck given that we have not seemed to have had any luck for so long. The 2018 version of the Buffalo Bills (at least on paper) is not as talented as the 2017 version (which actually performed worse than the 2016 version in point differential and relative offensive and defensive rankings). As a result, I am going into this season not expecting the team to be in the playoffs so that I will be pleasantly surprised if they do and not overly dissapointed if they do not. Getting some luck is not the same as them lucking in. I've said this multiple times. My gripe is people that attribute it all to luck, belittling the effort and accomplishment of the team. As for your earlier example...end of the Carolina game, replay it 100 times, how many times does Buffalo make that play, go 10-6 and make the playoffs while Carolina doesn't? Luck was in play, yes, but it was not the main reason the Bills made it, as some claim. I also disagree about this year, but that comes down to opinion. Thanks to offseason moves I see our defense (the main reason the Bills made it, and main reason the JAX game was close) as being even better. I think the O-line is weaker, but our new starting QB will stretch the field better then TT preventing opponents from stacking the box shutting down Shady and the short passing game. I think the Bills defense will be better then last year and the offense will at least be on-par with last season resulting in a slightly better team overall. I still predict another 9-7 season with a week 17 Wild Card birth, this time without help this time...but that's my opinion, we'll see what happens. 1
Saxum Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 On 5/25/2018 at 4:43 AM, formerlyofCtown said: It's pretty sad to see fans tear down their own teams accomplishment with weak and illegitimate arguments. We sure are lucky the rest of the league didn't go 16-0. Bills are lucky. Lucky to be around with so many "fans" they have to "support" them.
Norcalbillsfan Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 The only reason I say we did get a little lucky was because after the travesty that took place on prime time against the jets. That team had no business even talking about playoffs. After that game I said we will miss the playoffs because of that loss. I kinda look at it as Dalton came in and wiped away that terrible game with a hail Mary.
Lfod Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 (edited) The only reason we can even have this conversation is because the offense last season had a potential to stall to a complete stop. In my opinion it was the weak link in the chain. I understand why it had to be that way being a team in transition and all. Tyrod and Dennison are gone so I'm assuming McDermott found the fault with them. I want to see what this next season brings but I'm fully expecting that if the defense is a monster we have a more opportunistic offence on the field. The offense was so bad the game plan was to hold any lead and ride the defense. The game plan should of been to capitalize on every turn over and score as many points as possible even if you have a commanding. At least move the chains and grind the clock. I have higher expectations of the offense this season because I feel last seasons offense was unacceptable. Jaguars and Panthers games are the only exhibit A and B I need. You can talk up Tyrod all day and he does have flashes but it also was a flash in the pan. Edited May 29, 2018 by Lfod
Doc Brown Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, Lfod said: The only reason we can even have this conversation is because the offense last season had a potential to stall to a complete stop. In my opinion it was the weak link in the chain. I understand why it had to be that way being a team in transition and all. Tyrod and Dennison are gone so I'm assuming McDermott found the fault with them. I want to see what this next season brings but I'm fully expecting that if the defense is a monster we have a more opportunistic offence on the field. American or Canadian? Make up your mind.
Lfod Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: American or Canadian? Make up your mind. I don't know. I just type and let the auto fill work it's magic. It is funny you caught that. Edited May 29, 2018 by Lfod
Doc Brown Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, Lfod said: I don't know. I just type and let the auto fill work it's magic. It is funny you caught that. I don't care about grammar, but it was just funny to me you spelled the same word differently in the same post.
Aussie Joe Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 2 hours ago, Lfod said: I don't know. I just type and let the auto fill work it's magic. It is funny you caught that. Dont take offense with that post..
formerlyofCtown Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 7 hours ago, Limeaid said: Bills are lucky. Lucky to be around with so many "fans" they have to "support" them. It's amazing the fan base and support for the Bills with how long they have been bad and mediocre. We are everywhere. If the Pats had a 5 year bad stretch their stadium would be empty I believe. I know that's the case for the Panthers.
The Red King Posted May 29, 2018 Author Posted May 29, 2018 1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said: It's amazing the fan base and support for the Bills with how long they have been bad and mediocre. We are everywhere. If the Pats had a 5 year bad stretch their stadium would be empty I believe. I know that's the case for the Panthers. Don't forget, during the Super Bowl years the Pats were us. I remember being at the stadium for those games. I felt truly bad for one Pats fan who was drunk out of his mind by the second half. The Bills were crushing the Pats and scored yet again. During the 'Fight!' song this poor guy barely managed to slur out..."The Bills make me wanna puke!" in rythem to the song. I couldn't hate him, just...pitied him. Some Pats fans need longer memories I think, remember their franchise history pre-Brady. Might make 'em a lil more humble.
formerlyofCtown Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 4 hours ago, The Red King said: Don't forget, during the Super Bowl years the Pats were us. I remember being at the stadium for those games. I felt truly bad for one Pats fan who was drunk out of his mind by the second half. The Bills were crushing the Pats and scored yet again. During the 'Fight!' song this poor guy barely managed to slur out..."The Bills make me wanna puke!" in rythem to the song. I couldn't hate him, just...pitied him. Some Pats fans need longer memories I think, remember their franchise history pre-Brady. Might make 'em a lil more humble. How full was the stadium.
The Red King Posted May 29, 2018 Author Posted May 29, 2018 29 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: How full was the stadium. Honestly, no idea. I think packed, but not every seat taken...typical for the '90s Bills when playing a team of NE's (at the time) calibur. BUF/NE games back then weren't exciting draws to Bills fans then...much like the same is currently true to NE fans. Definately through a mirror darkly there.
Thurman#1 Posted May 30, 2018 Posted May 30, 2018 (edited) On 5/29/2018 at 3:49 AM, The Red King said: Getting some luck is not the same as them lucking in. I've said this multiple times. My gripe is people that attribute it all to luck, belittling the effort and accomplishment of the team. As for your earlier example...end of the Carolina game, replay it 100 times, how many times does Buffalo make that play, go 10-6 and make the playoffs while Carolina doesn't? Luck was in play, yes, but it was not the main reason the Bills made it, as some claim. I also disagree about this year, but that comes down to opinion. Thanks to offseason moves I see our defense (the main reason the Bills made it, and main reason the JAX game was close) as being even better. I think the O-line is weaker, but our new starting QB will stretch the field better then TT preventing opponents from stacking the box shutting down Shady and the short passing game. I think the Bills defense will be better then last year and the offense will at least be on-par with last season resulting in a slightly better team overall. I still predict another 9-7 season with a week 17 Wild Card birth, this time without help this time...but that's my opinion, we'll see what happens. Please. Nobody's saying effort and accomplishment weren't used or important. We didn't see any players falling asleep on the field. But that's not what it means to luck into something. The Ravens also tried as hard as they could and accomplished as much as we did, 9 wins. Luck absolutely was the main factor in us getting in. Yeah, we worked hard and accomplished a lot. So did the Ravens. So did all the 9-7 teams. But none of those 9-7 teams were good enough to got 10-6 or 11-5 or 12-4. So whoever squeezed in with a 9-7 would have to rely on luck. Without that luck we don't get in. That's lucking in. Any 9-7 team that makes the playoffs is lucking in. Making it with that record means you are very lucky ... very lucky that your division sucks if you win the division with a 9-7 record, or very lucky that your conference sucks if you make it in as a wild card with a 9-7 record. Edited May 30, 2018 by Thurman#1
transplantbillsfan Posted May 30, 2018 Posted May 30, 2018 Luck always plays a role in the #6 seed getting in the playoffs, to a large degree. Hell, it always plays a role in at least a win or two (probably more) to a significant degree. That's why the NFL is so damn fun to watch. Yeah, we lucked into the playoffs a bit, but really not any more than the #6 seed does in any given year, it's just the timing of our luck that makes everyone believe we lucked into the playoffs so much more than other teams when, in reality, we didn't.
Saxum Posted May 30, 2018 Posted May 30, 2018 11 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Luck absolutely was the main factor in us getting in. Absolutely. If Luck was health last year it would have affected entire playoff picture. The rest? BS.
John from Riverside Posted May 30, 2018 Posted May 30, 2018 On 5/28/2018 at 11:24 AM, Jaywrizzo said: I guess you can convince yourself of anything you want......Everyone knows they lucked into the playoffs....I don't even think their coach was looking to make it. But hey....Bill's fans are Bill's fans! There was some luck involved on certain plays Just like every other team in the league They still won the games they needed to to give themselves a chance at the playoffs Not you nor anyone else is going to take that away from the team If you mean bills fans are the best fans in the world then I agree with you
Bookie Man Posted May 30, 2018 Posted May 30, 2018 Yeah I compare it to Maverick and Goose getting into Top Gun academy. The Ravens are like Cougar, with the choke job, but Buffalo put themselves in the spot to seize the opportunity.
Da webster guy Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 If we don't have Haushka there's no way we get in. He won us two games with long range bombs most kickers miss if they even attempt at all. We got lucky in the snow game with the missed kick at point blank range, the deonte bomb, interference call etc. Dude we lucked out a lot. But so what
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