eball Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 4 hours ago, LaDexter said: We have a thread about Christian Sack-of-@@@@enberg.... and EJ Manuel.... and we wonder why we haven't had a good QB since Jim.... “We”???? Get lost, Chefs fan.
BarleyNY Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 4:35 PM, whatdrought said: Conditional 7th round sounds like they might not get anything for him. Awhile back a poster mentioned that a friend who works in an NFL FO told him that sometimes teams will make a trade like this as a favor. Team A trades a relatively highly drafted player who busted to Team B for a conditional pick. Team B then cuts the player. This is just a way to avoid the headline of the Jets cutting Hackenburg.
RocCityRoller Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 4:35 PM, whatdrought said: lol. I hope he turns into a hall of famer for the raiders. just like EJ!
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Awhile back a poster mentioned that a friend who works in an NFL FO told him that sometimes teams will make a trade like this as a favor. Team A trades a relatively highly drafted player who busted to Team B for a conditional pick. Team B then cuts the player. This is just a way to avoid the headline of the Jets cutting Hackenburg. Welp then I guess Maccagnan owes McKensie
YoloinOhio Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 8 hours ago, BarleyNY said: Awhile back a poster mentioned that a friend who works in an NFL FO told him that sometimes teams will make a trade like this as a favor. Team A trades a relatively highly drafted player who busted to Team B for a conditional pick. Team B then cuts the player. This is just a way to avoid the headline of the Jets cutting Hackenburg. http://draftanalyst.com/shrine-game-monday-night-notes it was an article by Tony Pauline back in January and he was spot on 2
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: http://draftanalyst.com/shrine-game-monday-night-notes it was an article by Tony Pauline back in January and he was spot on Drat! I was sure it was more 'dots to follow' from Dunkirk Dave...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 4:35 PM, whatdrought said: lol. I hope he turns into a hall of famer for the raiders. Is that the condition for the Jets to get that 7th? 1
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Is that the condition for the Jets to get that 7th? Judging from Jets front office (mis)management, they would forget about the compensatory pick by the time they were measuring for the jacket. Edited June 13, 2018 by Ridgewaycynic2013
jrober38 Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 15 hours ago, CuddyDark said: I thought the knock on Hackenberg was he's dumb? Wasn't that his issue? He could not read defenses. Didn't he have a low wonderlic too? There's little correlation between wonderlic score and reading a defense. Hackenberg's biggest flaw was his horrendous accuracy and poor pocket presence.
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, jrober38 said: There's little correlation between wonderlic score and reading a defense. Hackenberg's biggest flaw was his horrendous accuracy and poor pocket presence. I thought 'pocket presence' was what the creepy guy would try to entice the unknowing into checking his pants for.
Kirby Jackson Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 I’ll go on record that Hackenberg is the worst QB ever. The combination of hype/draft position/success makes him the worst. Other guys may have failed more but never has a guy that was thought of so highly been so bad. He was talked about as a potential #1 overall pick and he couldn’t dress. 1
Like A Mofo Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 Just think: Matt Leinart had a more productive career as a Buffalo Bill then Hackenberg did as an Oakland Raider. At Least Leinart completed 2 passes and 3 to the Lions. 2
GunnerBill Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’ll go on record that Hackenberg is the worst QB ever. The combination of hype/draft position/success makes him the worst. Other guys may have failed more but never has a guy that was thought of so highly been so bad. He was talked about as a potential #1 overall pick and he couldn’t dress. To be fair he was talked about as a possible number 1 pick two years before he came out. The book was out on him by the time he appeared out of college.
Dr. Who Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 Given draft position and expectations, I would guess that Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell would probably rank as a bigger bust than Hackenberg, who certainly cannot play.
Soda Popinski Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 At least we're not the only team that has made huge mistakes on 2nd round picks.
Kirby Jackson Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 44 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: To be fair he was talked about as a possible number 1 pick two years before he came out. The book was out on him by the time he appeared out of college. Even still someone wasted a 2nd on him. Other guys like Logan Thomas or Jevan Snead that were talked about as potential #1 overall picks plummeted. Jimmy Clausen is probably the best comparison in terms of draft status. Clausen has kicked around and had a few decent games. Hackenberg was picked 51st overall and has as many career attempts as I do.
CuddyDark Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 2 hours ago, jrober38 said: There's little correlation between wonderlic score and reading a defense. Hackenberg's biggest flaw was his horrendous accuracy and poor pocket presence. I thought it was he's dumb. That he held the ball too long because he couldn't see the field. That he took Rob Johnson style sacks. I know he had the accuracy and pocket issues as well but I thought the reason many hated him was because he was dumb as rocks and couldn't read defenses.
CuddyDark Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Unremarkable Wonderlic. 24. Neither high nor WTF? low Better than I thought. I thought it was in the teens. Isn't there an above 25 standard for QBs? Edited June 13, 2018 by CuddyDark
GaryPinC Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 20 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: I thought it was he's dumb. That he held the ball too long because he couldn't see the field. That he took Rob Johnson style sacks. I know he had the accuracy and pocket issues as well but I thought the reason many hated him was because he was dumb as rocks and couldn't read defenses. I watched him at Penn State and he definitely couldn't read the field and make any kind of complex decision. Glad the Jets thought so highly of him! 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Better than I thought. I thought it was in the teens. Isn't there an above 25 standard for QBs? There's the "26-27-60" rule (26 on Wonderlic, 27 games started, 60% completion) but I'm not aware of it as a "standard" - just a rule of thumb frequently broken I'm not sure the Wonderlic is a good predictor for QB success though. I thought I heard that Hackenberg's thing was struggling to read defenses on the field and react appropriately. In theory, a guy could have a 40 Wonderlic and not be able to read a defense under time pressure. 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’ll go on record that Hackenberg is the worst QB ever. The combination of hype/draft position/success makes him the worst. Other guys may have failed more but never has a guy that was thought of so highly been so bad. He was talked about as a potential #1 overall pick and he couldn’t dress. Jabustus Russell says Hi. 2 1
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