Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, Luxy312 said: Exactly. Make your point in a forum that's appropriate to make your point. Yep, I don't care what the players say in that they are not disrespecting the flag and America but when you protest during the anthem that is exactly what they are doing.
Luxy312 Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Nice attempt to avoid answering your love it or leave it argument that doesn't add up to the principles of being an American. People can't leave North Korea straw-man-blitz. This thread is overplayed. Moving on. LOL.
vorpma Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: This is really simple: the owners are the employers, and they are free to set the rules. They also have to be prepared to deal with any ramifications of those rules. They've made the rules the way that they've chosen to make them based upon what they feel is important to them. Now the players can choose to abide or not based upon what's most important to them, and they--like the owners--need to be prepared to deal with any ramifications of their choices. Freedom of choice without freedom from consequence; 'merica! Excellent post!
Saxum Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 40 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: I think you are over exaggerating a bit... the rule allows the players to skip the anthem if the players don’t want to stand...for a person who was ok with the players kneeling so long as the league allowed it, this sounds pretty fair to me. The posters is always exaggerating to try to get a shock like a lot of "news" outlets. 1
RiotAct Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 they can still kneel, right? Just do it in the locker room.
Starr Almighty Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 58 minutes ago, Yeezus said: https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/23/sport/nfl-spring-league-meeting-national-anthem/index.html Wow. What a statement. and what a way to alienate all the younger generation fans. Glad they did this, as now I have an even better excuse not to watch this garbage league anymore except Bills games the NBA will surpass the NFL in about 10 years at this rate tbh, won't be surprised when it happens. The NBA has 2 teams that make the finals every year, there's no need to even watch till the finals. When they do reach the finals only one team can win because it is so one sided it's embarrassing
teef Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 i've decided that i absolutely don't care about any of this. does that make me a bad person? 4
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 46 minutes ago, Yeezus said: can you take a step back and look at the bigger picture the NFL has essentially said the players kneeling has ZERO to do with the racial injustice in this country and more to do with the fact that they are being "unpatriotic" the league basically has said, we don't give a flying !@#$ about whats going on in this country, we just want you to shut up and play football" I see it differently. The NFL is an employer. As such, they have a right to define certain standards for employee dress and behavior *while on the job*. The employer just defined those standards to include behavior during the national anthem: either stay in the locker room, or stand respectfully. The NFL has not said anything about "we don't give a flying !@#$ about whats going on in this country", they've just said on your employer's time, on your employer's premises, during the national anthem, when the game is about ti begin, is not the time or place. AFAIK, they have said nothing about players expressing views off the field, have they? So yeah, maybe "when you're about to play football, wearing your uniform, in the stadium, shut up and focus on football", but that just puts them in line with most other employers in the country who have standards of behavior, dress, whether or not you can talk to the media regarding the company, etc. 1
aristocrat Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 the nfl gave the players 90 mil towards activism right? Money can solve a lot of issues. I imagine they see that as paying for it to go away.
26CornerBlitz Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, Luxy312 said: People can't leave North Korea straw-man-blitz. America was founded on protest. Maybe The Founders should have just accepted King George's Edicts or just left the Colonies for greener pastures. You still don't get it with your anti-American love it or leave it.
Luxy312 Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: America was founded on protest. Maybe The Founders should have just accepted King George's Edicts or just left the Colonies for greener pastures. You still don't get it with your anti-American love it or leave it. I get it just fine. You keep adding straw man fallacies, which do nothing to prove your point. Look it up and try to understand what you're doing. Comparing standing for a national anthem to the American Revolution is beyond low brow. 1
thebandit27 Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: America was founded on protest. Maybe The Founders should have just accepted King George's Edicts or just left the Colonies for greener pastures. You still don't get it with your anti-American love it or leave it. They're absolutely allowed to protest; they simply need to be prepared to be fined or released for doing so...individual freedom doesn't insulate anyone from the consequences that their private employer chooses to impose for their voluntary actions. 2
corta765 Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 41 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: So will concession stands and bathrooms be shut so all the fans in the stands have to stand as well? I mean if the players must stand, shouldn't those in attendance as well instead of being in a line to purchase overpriced beer? Thought the same thing but Ive have read that most stadiums actually do stop concession sales at least.
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: This is really simple: the owners are the employers, and they are free to set the rules. They also have to be prepared to deal with any ramifications of those rules. They've made the rules the way that they've chosen to make them based upon what they feel is important to them. Now the players can choose to abide or not based upon what's most important to them, and they--like the owners--need to be prepared to deal with any ramifications of their choices. Freedom of choice without freedom from consequence; 'merica! Exactly. They are even allowing them to kneel, they can stay in the locker room. OBTW they players are getting tens of millions of dollars to help further their cause, I would call that more than a little generous no?
IDBillzFan Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 49 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: the rule allows the players to skip the anthem if the players don’t want to stand... Which,. y'know,. is kind of the exact opposite of "NFL Forces Players To Stand for National Anthem." But hey...who's paying attention, really...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Yep, I don't care what the players say in that they are not disrespecting the flag and America but when you protest during the anthem that is exactly what they are doing. I don't myself see it as either, but I understand that you and others do see it that way. That's sort of "symbology 101", people don't get to define for themselves what symbolic gestures mean to them, they need to be willing to accept what those symbols and symbolic gestures mean to our society. 1
26CornerBlitz Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: I get it just fine. You keep adding straw man fallacies, which do nothing to prove your point. Look it up and try to understand what you're doing. Comparing standing for a national anthem to the American Revolution is beyond low brow. The same principles of freedom apply whether you comprehend or not.
BuffaloBillyG Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 True story time. Last year at the commercial break right before the TV station would send thw telecast to the stadium...I chose to take a bathroom break, refill my drink and get a snack. Came back right at kickoff and didn't pay the slightest attention to the stations coverage of the kneeling. Good times.
LabattBlue Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Yeezus said: https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/23/sport/nfl-spring-league-meeting-national-anthem/index.html Wow. What a statement. and what a way to alienate all the younger generation fans. Glad they did this, as now I have an even better excuse not to watch this garbage league anymore except Bills games the NBA will surpass the NFL in about 10 years at this rate tbh, won't be surprised when it happens. Don't let the Bills stop you from following this "garbage league". Forgot about the Bills, and go watch the NBA instead.
thenorthremembers Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The same principles of freedom apply whether you comprehend or not. Kind of ironic you're using the "freedoms" of colonial America to make your point in this thread.
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