3rdnlng Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 For those of you that weren't politically aware way back in the 80's, Ronald Reagan brought this country out of misery. His optimism and policies were the first MAGA. Trump is following in his steps but has forgotten that finesse and humor is the "In like Flint way" . He'll figure it out, but is there anymore evidence of his competence? 1 5 1
Doc Brown Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 I can see how conservatives can see the similarities in their rise to power and similar policies, but Reagan was the "shining city on the hill" optimist who was one of the best presidents ever at bringing Americans together. He had a whimsical, fatherly way about him that inspired people and gave them hope (similar to FDR during the depression). Trump's personal insults both on the campaign trail and in office to people on both sides of the aisle have turned too many people off for him to ever get the national adoration Reagan had. Reagan was the master at using self deprecating humor, while Trump is funny when making fun of other people (at the same time pissing half the country off). I would argue that as far as how they approach the office, Trump is similar to Obama so far. They're obviously on the opposite side of the political spectrum and have different personalities/styles. However, both are beloved by their base and loathed by the other side. Both use/used authoritarian rhetoric that they alone are the key to fixing this nation's problems. Both are narcissistic, thin skinned, stubborn, and overly concerned about their legacy. Both claim that they want to bring this country together, but their actions don't meet their rhetoric as they just seem to deepen the tribalism and partisan divide (Obama inviting BLM activists to the White House, Trump pardoning Joe Arpiao and calling private citizens SOB's for kneeling during anthem). Their major piece of legislation when their party has/had control of Congress (ACA for Obama, Tax reform for Trump) was passed without one vote from the other side. Will Trump use his pen as aggressively as Obama did if Dems gain the House or Senate? We shall see. 1 1
Paulus Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 Idk, I like a lot of the insults and think most are deserved. The smugness from those in the ivory towers has gotten a little out of hand over the past couple of decades. 2 1
SmokinES3 Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 4:09 PM, Paulus said: Idk, I like a lot of the insults and think most are deserved. The smugness from those in the ivory towers has gotten a little out of hand over the past couple of decades. Expand I agree. It is a necessary evil. 1
Buddy Hix Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 5:57 AM, 3rdnlng said: For those of you that weren't politically aware way back in the 80's, Ronald Reagan brought this country out of misery. His optimism and policies were the first MAGA. Trump is following in his steps but has forgotten that finesse and humor is the "In like Flint way" . He'll figure it out, but is there anymore evidence of his competence? Expand Trump will figure it out? I have serious doubts that Trump can succeed based on his first 1.5 years in office. The tariff war with China went poorly because Trump failed to lead a unified team, and with other negotiations (NK, Iran) coming up it is worrisome.
3rdnlng Posted May 22, 2018 Author Posted May 22, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 5:00 PM, Buddy Hix said: Trump will figure it out? I have serious doubts that Trump can succeed based on his first 1.5 years in office. The tariff war with China went poorly because Trump failed to lead a unified team, and with other negotiations (NK, Iran) coming up it is worrisome. Expand We'll see.
row_33 Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 things are different, Reagan appeared during my undergrad years, much enjoyed, had a great buildup in my life from Bill Buckley to be ready for this it's not the same anymore, or at least I got the seriousness out of my system by the closing of Papa Bush's admin.
GG Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 8:55 AM, Doc Brown said: I can see how conservatives can see the similarities in their rise to power and similar policies, but Reagan was the "shining city on the hill" optimist who was one of the best presidents ever at bringing Americans together. He had a whimsical, fatherly way about him that inspired people and gave them hope (similar to FDR during the depression). Trump's personal insults both on the campaign trail and in office to people on both sides of the aisle have turned too many people off for him to ever get the national adoration Reagan had. Reagan was the master at using self deprecating humor, while Trump is funny when making fun of other people (at the same time pissing half the country off). I would argue that as far as how they approach the office, Trump is similar to Obama so far. They're obviously on the opposite side of the political spectrum and have different personalities/styles. However, both are beloved by their base and loathed by the other side. Both use/used authoritarian rhetoric that they alone are the key to fixing this nation's problems. Both are narcissistic, thin skinned, stubborn, and overly concerned about their legacy. Both claim that they want to bring this country together, but their actions don't meet their rhetoric as they just seem to deepen the tribalism and partisan divide (Obama inviting BLM activists to the White House, Trump pardoning Joe Arpiao and calling private citizens SOB's for kneeling during anthem). Their major piece of legislation when their party has/had control of Congress (ACA for Obama, Tax reform for Trump) was passed without one vote from the other side. Will Trump use his pen as aggressively as Obama did if Dems gain the House or Senate? We shall see. Expand Well said. Hopefully the result of Trump will be the re-establishment of the 3 branches of government
SmokinES3 Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) On 5/22/2018 at 5:00 PM, Buddy Hix said: Trump will figure it out? I have serious doubts that Trump can succeed based on his first 1.5 years in office. The tariff war with China went poorly because Trump failed to lead a unified team, and with other negotiations (NK, Iran) coming up it is worrisome. Expand It went very well. We secured far more farming exports and cut tariffs on automobiles double digits... That's just the tip of the iceberg. A $380 billion reduction in the trade deficit!!!! This will be the largest annual reduction in history. Where do you people get your news?? Those scary tweets made it so horrible!!!?? Edited May 22, 2018 by SmokinES3
row_33 Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 6:32 PM, SmokinES3 said: It went very well. We secured far more farming exports and cut tariffs on automobiles double digits... That's just the tip of the iceberg. A $380 billion reduction in the trade deficit!!!! This will be the largest annual reduction in history. Where do you people get your news?? Those scary tweets made it so horrible!!!?? Expand someone sees this more seriously than taking a piss?
Buddy Hix Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 6:32 PM, SmokinES3 said: It went very well. We secured far more farming exports and cut tariffs on automobiles double digits... That's just the tip of the iceberg. A $380 billion reduction in the trade deficit!!!! This will be the largest annual reduction in history. Where do you people get your news?? Those scary tweets made it so horrible!!!?? Expand https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1IN2DT?__twitter_impression=true From Trump himself... And capitulating on ZTE seems like a weak stance, no?
3rdnlng Posted May 22, 2018 Author Posted May 22, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 6:59 PM, row_33 said: someone sees this more seriously than taking a piss? Expand Taking a piss can be a very serious need. Try doing an outside wedding rehearsal in front of a fountain with a female minister after having a few beers. Oh, with no way to get into the building to take a piss. So yes, pissing can become very serious. On 5/22/2018 at 7:20 PM, Buddy Hix said: https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1IN2DT?__twitter_impression=true From Trump himself... And capitulating on ZTE seems like a weak stance, no? Expand We'll see.
row_33 Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 7:21 PM, 3rdnlng said: Taking a piss can be a very serious need. Try doing an outside wedding rehearsal in front of a fountain with a female minister after having a few beers. Oh, with no way to get into the building to take a piss. So yes, pissing can become very serious. We'll see. Expand do you American say taking A piss or taking THE piss? We get caught in the middle of the two civilizations, not in that sense though....
3rdnlng Posted May 22, 2018 Author Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) On 5/22/2018 at 7:31 PM, row_33 said: do you American say taking A piss or taking THE piss? We get caught in the middle of the two civilizations, not in that sense though.... Expand I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you, but we say "taking a piss". Do you Canadians still have a chamber pot next to your bed and sell your piss to the tannery down the street? Edited May 22, 2018 by 3rdnlng
Koko78 Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 7:37 PM, 3rdnlng said: I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you, but we say "taking a piss". Do you Canadians still have a chamber pot next to your bed and sell your piss to the tannery down the street? Expand Woe to the unlucky Canuckian who dares to bring stale urine from a female to the local tannery. Not only is it unseemly, but it completely ruins the batch of dye. I think the punishment is 3 years of not being allowed to watch hockey or curling. It's akin to the death penalty.
row_33 Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 8:23 PM, Koko78 said: Woe to the unlucky Canuckian who dares to bring stale urine from a female to the local tannery. Not only is it unseemly, but it completely ruins the batch of dye. I think the punishment is 3 years of not being allowed to watch hockey or curling. It's akin to the death penalty. Expand I don't care about hockey, I just watch the Leafs.
Koko78 Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 8:26 PM, row_33 said: I don't care about hockey, I just watch the Leafs. Expand Well played.
row_33 Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 8:29 PM, Koko78 said: Well played. Expand minefield talking to Sabres fans, but i have the upper hand as of today...
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 7:31 PM, row_33 said: do you American say taking A piss or taking THE piss? We get caught in the middle of the two civilizations, not in that sense though.... Expand Actually, we overthrew the British Crown two and a half centuries ago just so we didn't have to use that stupid expression. 2
SmokinES3 Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 7:20 PM, Buddy Hix said: https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1IN2DT?__twitter_impression=true From Trump himself... And capitulating on ZTE seems like a weak stance, no? Expand That Reuters blurb said nothing and inferred things are going poorly... That's par for the course when it comes to Reuters. We banned ZTE from conducting business here recently. It's being used as a bargaining chip. I don't see that as weak personally... 1
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