C.Biscuit97 Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, GG said: I'm sure there's a long waiting list for teams to sign a 34+ vet who fired his long-time agent, went on a rambling 4-day twitter meltdown, manufactured an illness, and then told off the team owners in a drunken rampage. Haha. One year deal minimizes those risks though.
JohnC Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, NoSaint said: So let’s say Hughes wants out. He goes on a 4 day twitter bender and drunk dials the pegulas- that gets him out of his contract? i only mentioned the pats because you did Some people are portraying the Incognito saga as a player holding the team hostage to his demands. That' s far from what has happened here. The Bills required Incognito to take a pay cut in order to stay with the team. If he wouldn't have agreed to the cut he would have been released. The point is that he wasn't seen as an indispensable player that this team had to have. Incognito wasn't happy with the pay cut yet still signed the contract. That was a mistake on his part because he could have just said no to the cut and then have his release. I understand Incognito's mind-set. He is a player at the end of his career and although he is still playing well he doesn't have much marketability from a contract standpoint. When all is said and done the Bills did the right thing. They let him go free and clear of any encumbrances i.e. having to pay back some of his bonus money. That was the right thing to do for him and for the organization because the Incognito issue is completely gone. Instead of fighting for its right to keep a penny the organization acted in its own interest by not getting entangled in an unnecessary conflict. It also showed that the organization was more than generous in doing the right thing for its former player. 3
Wsam4031 Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 18 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Why? He signed a contract. If he wants to retire, fine. But why are they just letting him sign elsewhere? Stupid. I agree don't let him dictate that after he signs with us. You wan tot retire go for it don't use that as a bargaining chip to get released. I liked him too but this makes me not like him anymore
Doc Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 That the Bills approached him, one of the better players on the team and especially OL, tells me they were ready to move on from him at that time. If he said no, and especially if he got pissed, they would have cut him then.
GG Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 15 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: He's not the owner. He's not the GM. Some Bills fans just love to hate the Owner and GM. If there is any truth to this drunken rampage story, then I suspect that while the story may never surface publicly, it will surface among the owners. And that'll be that until one owner is desperate enough to bring him on. There are enough mentions in this thread from credible sources that make me believe that the drunken rampage is true. Surely someone may kick the tires for one season. But then they will have to look Kim in the eye in the meetings. Not saying that Richie's tirade was directed at Kim instead of Terry, but at this point, they're inseparable as owners.
Da webster guy Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 9 hours ago, Logic said: I can't see how this is so hard for people to understand. Beane and McDermott value chemistry and culture above all else. They have shown that they will not hesitate to get rid of ANYONE who they don't think will positively contribute to the chemistry and culture of the locker room. Richie Incognito, with his erratic behavior, sudden instability, and the drama that his "I'm retired, no I'm not, I want my release, can I come back?" routine was creating, became a threat to the chemistry and culture that Beane and McDermott wanted to build. They thus decided that the best move was to get rid of him, even if it meant "giving him what he wants" and losing some bonus money. People thinking we were going to get a trade asset in return for a 34-year-old guard who has recently displayed erratic behavior are dreaming. I believe that Beane assessed that the tiny silver of potential of getting a 2019 7th round pick in exchange for this guy was not worth the headaches he was beginning to create. As to the notion of holding on to Incognito's rights so that his only options are retire or play for the Bills. Why? It was one thing with Boldin, who agreed to play for the Bills, then 10 days into camp retired, then asked if he could be let out of his contract. Beane felt burned by Boldin's failure to honor his commitment and reacted accordingly. With Richie, he had three good years with the Bills and was a key part of their playoff season. Why hold him hostage? Especially given the aforementioned headaches he is creating. Sometimes, addition by subtraction is necessary to maintain intangible qualities like chemistry and culture. I believe this is one of those cases. But they already DID get rid of him. He chose to retire. We drafted his replacement, it was over. Personally I would have either paid him his $1 Mil (a bonus for being on the roster for 2018 which he is not) or let him look elsewhere but not both. Whatever. I always liked the guy, I hope he's healthy and happy in retirement. I would suggest he get tested for CTE just in case. He played hard.
Dopey Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 16 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Im really not trying to split hairs...just trying to understand. He has a condition that caused him to lose weight and he has been suspended because he cannot tolerate the pain without using weed which is still illegal in the league. Am I missing something? Quote Yes, you are missing the point that the post read" In the past several months, we have lost four offensive linemen who have started for the Bills over the past few years. " Whether you think he is good or worth it, he is one of the 4 offensive linemen we "lost" who have started in the past few years. He didn't say they were all pro bowlers. You are adding to the narrative with your assertion that he wasn't "really a loss". I get it, still a loss. Unless I'm missing something.
aristocrat Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 it seemed he turned it around for us. his life was seemingly on a good track and then a spark just made him turn. that spark i guess was the paycut. he's not gonna handle retirement well unless he somehow gets on a staff somewhere and he can keep his mind right but if he gets fired what happens?
scribo Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) Beane gets the benefit of the doubt from me, at this point. But I would have liked to see Beane at least trade Richie for a 6th, letting him pick his landing spot. Edited May 22, 2018 by scribo
Doc Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 1 minute ago, scribo said: Beane gets the benefits of the doubt from me, at this point. But I would have liked to see Beane at least trade Richie for a 6th, letting him pick his landing spot. I have zero doubts that Beane tried to trade him but found no takers. 1
atlbillsfan1975 Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Haha, should is the key word. Haha, are you trolling? This is exactly what I would expect from him. He is showing who he really is. I do not ‘troll’. How do you know or what do you think ‘he really is’?
Sky Diver Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) He graded above average by PFF #12 G, for whatever that's worth. Given how weak we are on the offensive line, I don't get why we didn't offer him a 1 yr deal that would have kept him happy. Looks like they mishandled this situation to me. Penny wise, pound foolish if our line gets our QB's killed. Edited May 22, 2018 by Sky Diver
HOUSE Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) Gone....he's not gone Edited May 22, 2018 by THE SLAMMER 2
BarleyNY Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Haha. One year deal minimizes those risks though. Sure, but it wasn’t like he hasn’t been a problem literally everywhere he’s played football going back through both of his college teams. His first stint in Buffalo was the only one that wasn’t marred by misbehavior. What owner or GM really wants to take that chance on a guy at the end of his career who might be a problem and/or create problems in the locker room?
Sky Diver Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Sure, but it wasn’t like he hasn’t been a problem literally everywhere he’s played football going back through both of his college teams. His first stint in Buffalo was the only one that wasn’t marred by misbehavior. What owner or GM really wants to take that chance on a guy at the end of his career who might be a problem and/or create problems in the locker room? How has he been a problem here before they jerked him around? Edited May 22, 2018 by Sky Diver
BarleyNY Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Wsam4031 said: I agree don't let him dictate that after he signs with us. You wan tot retire go for it don't use that as a bargaining chip to get released. I liked him too but this makes me not like him anymore Perhaps this was part of a deal where the Bills recouped the signing bonus they just paid him. That’d make sense. He could fight having to return it, but would likely lose that battle.
zow2 Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 Well, i was a Ritchie fan for a couple of seasons there. Now good riddance. All his antics to get away from Buffalo were low class. While we thought he was going loopy, it was all calculated I'm sure to get this end result.
Best Player Available Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Perhaps this was part of a deal where the Bills recouped the signing bonus they just paid him. That’d make sense. He could fight having to return it, but would likely lose that battle. Might not ever know how that went down. Unless cogs signed a new agent. and at some date talks. Otherwise once you're cut you owe the team nothing in terms of signing bonuses, etc. You have to wonder how many ex employees, etc. on the Pegulas sports teams. Are sitting on their couch waiting for those checks to roll in? Most likely more than any other owner.
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 42 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: I do not ‘troll’. How do you know or what do you think ‘he really is’? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3439819 Hes been a bad guy much more than he’s been a good guy.
dave mcbride Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 1 hour ago, GG said: There are enough mentions in this thread from credible sources that make me believe that the drunken rampage is true. Surely someone may kick the tires for one season. But then they will have to look Kim in the eye in the meetings. Not saying that Richie's tirade was directed at Kim instead of Terry, but at this point, they're inseparable as owners. Am I missing something? I only saw one reference to a possible drunken rampage, and it was secondhand from a freaking OBD security guard. That's approaching cab-driver-for-Seifert level. The person who posted it may well be credible, but he has only 90 posts so I'm not buying - yet. KtD, who I trust, made an oblique comment hinting at ... something, but said nothing specific.
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