Orlando Buffalo Posted April 16 Posted April 16 The gun discussion is not worth it anymore because anyone honest will have to admit that guns are not the issue, evil people are the issue. Once we start discussing how to remove the evil from society we can make progress. To anyone saying we can't remove evil I will remind you that 4 months ago you said we couldn't stop 99% of the illegal aliens but we have done that. Removing evil is harder and a longer process but we can get that number down 75% with a decade by being honest. 1 1 1
Homelander Posted April 16 Posted April 16 1 hour ago, boyst said: Weapons that kill people? Please define and explain how weapons kill people. Weapons are tools designed to kill that's their sole purpose. When aimed and fired at a person, it doesn't write poetry or solve equations. It kills. This isn't opinion; it's physics and engineering. 1 hour ago, boyst said: Mental health. We are not doing enough to work with a broken down and corrupt organization - my opinion of course. But, mental health is clearly an issue. Look at how many troons have committed these school shootings of recent, for example. What mentally fit, normal minded, average teenager is willing to kill someone? Do you think someone who is mentally of sound mind can, in cold blood kill someone? Mental illness exists worldwide, yet mass shootings primarily plague the US due to unrestricted firearm access combined with mental health crises. Using "mental health" as an excuse diverts attention from the core issue: easy access to lethal weapons. Both mentally stable and unstable individuals commit violence. The critical factor is access to guns, which make temporary anger deadly. 1 hour ago, boyst said: Yes, I think anyone can see our systems for the children of this country are fairly broken when we took them out of school for 2 years for a flu, don't regularly report crime amongst teenagers for fear it will deter growth and KPI's for communities, and our school systems have been falling lower and lower on scoring every few years. But, hey, thank God we got that Dept. Of Education in DC! Ah yes, the flu - interesting how a virus that killed over a million Americans gets downgraded when it’s politically inconvenient. But sure, let’s pretend public health was the root of all evil instead of a once-in-a-century global crisis. As for crime stats and KPIs - fascinating how you care about data integrity only when it supports your narrative. When it’s gun violence? Suddenly it’s “just anecdotal.” When it’s kids being killed in schools? You pivot to test scores. Almost like your concern isn’t for children, but for scoring political points. And the Department of Education? You’d rather burn it down than admit that underfunding, book bans, and ideological warfare are gutting public schools far faster than any bureaucrat in DC. So, spare me the performative sigh. This isn’t about helping kids. It’s about deflecting blame. And deep down, you know it. 1 hour ago, boyst said: Every country faces these challenges? They do? News on me. Other than the Muslim girls who cant even go to school because their pig fornicating men say it's not needed. Other than in many parts of Asia where children build your iPhone to help support their family. Other than Japan where kids just an hero when they face a crisis. Other than ... Well, hmm... Sounds like the world is a lot more complex than just a gun and your first world problems are kind of unique... But that could be a whole other discussion, huh? Maybe we are too soft on kids here, we lowered the bar a bit too much? More deflection - drag the entire world into the room to avoid admitting a uniquely American crisis. Yes, other countries face problems. What they don’t face are routine mass shootings. That’s not “complexity” - that’s failure. And no, it’s not because we’re “too soft” on kids. It’s because we’re too soft on guns. 1 hour ago, boyst said: Guns are easily accessible? sounds like it's the guns fault! So, your opinion here is just that. Opinion. Easily accessible? I guess, but they're not even the highest % of homicides. Knives are. Karmelo says "ey brah." The problem with this argument is you can make this claim and statistics will change the argument at every turn. While you're attempting to make a point it falls short. “Blame the knife” dodge. Cute. But knives aren’t designed for mass slaughter from 30 feet away. Guns are. And guess what? Guns kill more people in the US than any other weapon by far. That’s not opinion, it’s FBI data. If your argument hinges on pretending a kitchen knife is as deadly as an AR-15, you’ve already lost. Karmelo can sit this one out. 1 hour ago, boyst said: No, it's not misdirection. It's the hypocrisy on your part. And it's hyperbole and opinion on your behalf. Swifter, deadlier, more prevalent... The last my favorite. Knifes are like 30% iirc. Guns are less than 10%, and other objects about half. Deadlier, yes, 1.5% of the homicides in this country are awful. But the nearly 75% of assaults in this country make me more concerned about the overall problem. Mental health, crime & punishment, broken systems, and more. More statistics gymnastics - twist, spin, ignore context. Guns aren’t 10% of homicides - they’re over 75%. Nice try. And yes, mental health and broken systems matter. But none of that changes this: only one weapon turns every societal failure into a mass casualty event in under a minute. 1 hour ago, boyst said: ...why are 1.5% of the problem? The 1.25% of crime which is gun related homicide... The 5.5 of 100k homicides by gun... Can we find correlation? Can we find any similarities? Can we dig deeper than just derp derp guns? Just 1.25%? That “tiny” number is thousands of dead Americans a year. You’re tossing percentages around like lives aren’t the cost. Dig deeper? Sure. But let’s not pretend “derp derp guns” is anything but projection when you’re downplaying corpses with decimal points. On 5/28/2018 at 8:55 AM, boyst said: But that ***** Hogg had a die in at Publix. And that matters a lot On this very page - seven years ago - you were spouting the same bitter, basement-dwelling nonsense. Pathetic. 1
B-Man Posted April 16 Posted April 16 3 hours ago, boyst said: Weapons that kill people? Please define and explain how weapons kill people ? 2 hours ago, Homelander said: Weapons are tools designed to kill that's their sole purpose. When aimed and fired at a person, it doesn't write poetry or solve equations. It kills. This isn't opinion; it's physics and engineering. Another Homelander classic. This "tool to kill" that you are fixated on is an inanimate object. . . . . . . . . . . . . . That is the fact. The person who picks it up and uses it to kill, just as with a knife, a car, a club, THAT PERSON IS RESPONSIBLE. As @Orlando Buffalo stated it is no longer useful to debate this with the extremists who cannot grasp that fact.
boyst Posted April 16 Posted April 16 9 hours ago, Homelander said: Weapons are tools designed to kill that's their sole purpose. When aimed and fired at a person, it doesn't write poetry or solve equations. It kills. This isn't opinion; it's physics and engineering. weapons are tools.. tools are used by people. millions of people hit their thumb with a hammer. do we blame the tactical assault hammers sold at home depot or lowes, or any of america's finer home improvement stores? and for the record, i only like guns that can write perfect haiku's in full iambic pentameter. 9 hours ago, Homelander said: Mental illness exists worldwide, yet mass shootings primarily plague the US due to unrestricted firearm access combined with mental health crises. we have more guns than anywhere else. fact we do not have unrestricted access to firearms. fact. opinion rejected. idiot detected. 9 hours ago, Homelander said: Using "mental health" as an excuse diverts attention from the core issue: easy access to lethal weapons. mel gibson is a lethal weapon. danny glover not so much. again, your opinion that it is easy to access a lethal weapon is opinion. you're no david hogg but your effort to be him is both embarrassing and arousing. 9 hours ago, Homelander said: Both mentally stable and unstable individuals commit violence. The critical factor is access to guns, which make temporary anger deadly. again, opinion, mr hogg. show me on this doll where the gun hurt you. 9 hours ago, Homelander said: Ah yes, the flu - interesting how a virus that killed over a million Americans gets downgraded when it’s politically inconvenient. But sure, let’s pretend public health was the root of all evil instead of a once-in-a-century global crisis. take the time to look at month over month data on deaths and you will find no shifts in the amount of people who died before, during and after covid. it was a comorbidity. facts hurt your feelings mrs. hogg. that's right, you've been downgraded and clearly you want on his D.... so you're the princess now. 9 hours ago, Homelander said: As for crime stats and KPIs - fascinating how you care about data integrity only when it supports your narrative. When it’s gun violence? Suddenly it’s “just anecdotal.” When it’s kids being killed in schools? You pivot to test scores. Almost like your concern isn’t for children, but for scoring political points. well, KPI's show that over half of gun deaths are suicides. less than 20k homicides are by firearm - and that's even a bit of a stretch as any reported factors do not also consider proper mass shootings and accidental shootings as well as the all important justified shootings. 9 hours ago, Homelander said: And the Department of Education? You’d rather burn it down than admit that underfunding, book bans, and ideological warfare are gutting public schools far faster than any bureaucrat in DC. no metric has improved with the dept. of education. the rest of what you said is nonsense sensationalism to deflect from the fact that the dept. of ed hasn't improved ed. i'm sorry your special ed teachers passed you along. 9 hours ago, Homelander said: So, spare me the performative sigh. This isn’t about helping kids. It’s about deflecting blame. And deep down, you know it. it isn't? it is about helping all people. to me. thanks for your opinion of my opinion. it's been nice 9 hours ago, Homelander said: More deflection - drag the entire world into the room to avoid admitting a uniquely American crisis. Yes, other countries face problems. What they don’t face are routine mass shootings. That’s not “complexity” - that’s failure. And no, it’s not because we’re “too soft” on kids. It’s because we’re too soft on guns. every place in the world has a **~~~*~ unIQuEEE CrisssiSSSS***%%~~ the problem isn't that... it's solving it. any idiot can see a problem. case in point you. now solve it, sweet cheeks. 9 hours ago, Homelander said: “Blame the knife” dodge. Cute. But knives aren’t designed for mass slaughter from 30 feet away. Guns are. And guess what? Guns kill more people in the US than any other weapon by far. That’s not opinion, it’s FBI data. guns kill roughly 50k. less than 20k are homicide. less than 15k are intentional unjustified homicide. less than 3k are just regular folks, non trash gang bangers. of 350mm and 3k killed by mentally ill. i like those odds. 9 hours ago, Homelander said: If your argument hinges on pretending a kitchen knife is as deadly as an AR-15, you’ve already lost. Karmelo can sit this one out. scary big black assault guns. .rawr.... weak 9 hours ago, Homelander said: More statistics gymnastics - twist, spin, ignore context. Guns aren’t 10% of homicides - they’re over 75%. Nice try. And yes, mental health and broken systems matter. But none of that changes this: only one weapon turns every societal failure into a mass casualty event in under a minute. Just 1.25%? That “tiny” number is thousands of dead Americans a year. You’re tossing percentages around like lives aren’t the cost. Dig deeper? Sure. But let’s not pretend “derp derp guns” is anything but projection when you’re downplaying corpses with decimal points. On this very page - seven years ago - you were spouting the same bitter, basement-dwelling nonsense. Pathetic. i'm bored now..... how about a nice game of chess? i don't even know who you are and i'm still spouting that same nonsense, sweetie. 1 1
4th&long Posted April 16 Posted April 16 10 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said: The gun discussion is not worth it anymore because anyone honest will have to admit that guns are not the issue, evil people are the issue. Once we start discussing how to remove the evil from society we can make progress. To anyone saying we can't remove evil I will remind you that 4 months ago you said we couldn't stop 99% of the illegal aliens but we have done that. Removing evil is harder and a longer process but we can get that number down 75% with a decade by being honest. So what are you doing in schools to help the issue? You are on the lines being a teacher. Granted this falls on parents but good luck with that for a large portion of them.
Homelander Posted April 16 Posted April 16 1 hour ago, boyst said: i don't even know who you are and i'm still spouting that same nonsense, sweetie. Oh, you’ve made your point crystal clear. You're exactly the kind of perfectly programmed NRA parrot who defends the gun at all costs while blaming everyone but the weapon. And ironically, it’s people like you - emotionally unhinged, intellectually bankrupt, and terminally self-righteous - who should be kept as far from a firearm as possible. 1
T master Posted April 16 Posted April 16 On 5/18/2018 at 11:31 AM, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: please share the bigger news then kids killing kids in this country. Here might even be a bigger question than that that is never brought up in these type of situations . What kind of parenting did this kid get to even think about doing something like this ? What type of disciplinary structures were there in their home ? I knew where every single one of my old mans guns were but I also knew that if I were to go anywhere near them that hell would be released on my ass literally and figuratively . I never 1 time thought to do something like this and in my teen years I had a 20 gauge shot gun at my disposal any time I wanted to grab it in my room & never once thought of such a thing so what the hell has changed that kids now a days are thinking such things and think they can get away with it with out any type of discipline for their actions ? I think there should be a hard look at what kind of disciplinary parameters are with in the family to allow a teen too have access to their firearms .
boyst Posted April 16 Posted April 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, Homelander said: Oh, you’ve made your point crystal clear. You're exactly the kind of perfectly programmed NRA parrot who defends the gun at all costs while blaming everyone but the weapon. And ironically, it’s people like you - emotionally unhinged, intellectually bankrupt, and terminally self-righteous - who should be kept as far from a firearm as possible. I despise the NRA. Lol I don't own any guns. I never have. I lost them all in a boating accident in the ocean in a boat I never owned. Edited April 16 by boyst
Roundybout Posted April 16 Posted April 16 5 minutes ago, boyst said: I despise the NRA. Lol I don't own any guns. I never have. I lost them all in a boating accident in the ocean in a boat I never owned. Way to give arms to Atlantis. When the invasion begins, we can blame you. 2
Orlando Buffalo Posted April 16 Posted April 16 3 hours ago, 4th&long said: So what are you doing in schools to help the issue? You are on the lines being a teacher. Granted this falls on parents but good luck with that for a large portion of them. I live an area where gun violence is basically non existent, despite a large percent of population having guns in the home. Our bigger issue is parents giving their kids fast cars and then killing themselves in accidents. As for what I do to help is I explain to kids why fighting at all is a bad choice, but it seldom comes up, here kids like to brag how rich(often lying about it) they are but fighting is rare. 1
boyst Posted April 16 Posted April 16 52 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Way to give arms to Atlantis. When the invasion begins, we can blame you. Mr Nimbus doesn't need guns. He already controls the cops. 1
4th&long Posted April 16 Posted April 16 1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said: I live an area where gun violence is basically non existent, despite a large percent of population having guns in the home. Our bigger issue is parents giving their kids fast cars and then killing themselves in accidents. As for what I do to help is I explain to kids why fighting at all is a bad choice, but it seldom comes up, here kids like to brag how rich(often lying about it) they are but fighting is rare. That's too bad about the fast cars. I was never in a hurry for my kids to get their license. My oldest son waited til he was 20. My second son got it at 18, just 2 months shy of turning 19. I think it had more to do with maturity level than age on weather a kid should get his license. I tell my kids to use their brain and not to fight. They have a friend whose father has his son in boxing. I told my boys their brain will get them much farther in life.
Albwan Posted April 17 Posted April 17 NOW it's the guns that kill. Until some white kid goes and does it...then it's back to RACISM 1
LDD Posted April 17 Posted April 17 On 4/15/2025 at 9:46 PM, Orlando Buffalo said: The gun discussion is not worth it anymore because anyone honest will have to admit that guns are not the issue, evil people are the issue. Once we start discussing how to remove the evil from society we can make progress. To anyone saying we can't remove evil I will remind you that 4 months ago you said we couldn't stop 99% of the illegal aliens but we have done that. Removing evil is harder and a longer process but we can get that number down 75% with a decade by being honest. Well, it also helps to be honest ABOUT guns. Would you rather have an "Evil" person attacking a movie theatre or a football game with a lever action .30-30 or an AR-15 with a bump stock and 30 round magazines? I get that you're set on the idea that only people kill, which is true. People kill and people also design guns to kill other people with maximum effectiveness. These issues cannot be separated IMO. We have a society that is creating people who want to kill other people and we are giving them access to really efficient weapons that are capable of killing many, many people in a very short amount of time.
Orlando Buffalo Posted April 17 Posted April 17 1 hour ago, LDD said: Well, it also helps to be honest ABOUT guns. Would you rather have an "Evil" person attacking a movie theatre or a football game with a lever action .30-30 or an AR-15 with a bump stock and 30 round magazines? I get that you're set on the idea that only people kill, which is true. People kill and people also design guns to kill other people with maximum effectiveness. These issues cannot be separated IMO. We have a society that is creating people who want to kill other people and we are giving them access to really efficient weapons that are capable of killing many, many people in a very short amount of time. Your points are valid but overlook two major points- there are items that much more dangerous than guns that people can use and bad guys usually avoid places were guns are likely to be, guns deter violence quite often. 1
LDD Posted April 17 Posted April 17 1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Your points are valid but overlook two major points- there are items that much more dangerous than guns that people can use and bad guys usually avoid places were guns are likely to be, guns deter violence quite often. I completely agree that guns deter violence. Gun education also deters violence. I'm not sure what you're referencing with the other "items".
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