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16 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

But the good news is that CA just passed a law to make it legal to intentionally give someone an STD.  Unless it's AIDS, then it's a misdemeanor.

So intentionally giving someone AIDS is a misdemeanor? Must not be much of a disease anymore.

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14 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

So intentionally giving someone AIDS is a misdemeanor? Must not be much of a disease anymore.

 

The explicit reason given for the change (from a felony carrying a 3-8 year sentence) was " societal and medical understanding of HIV has greatly improved. Effective treatments dramatically lengthen and improve the quality of life for people living with HIV — treatments that also nearly eliminate the possibility of transmission."

 

Direct quote.  Literally, "if you get it these days, it's not so bad."

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2 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

The explicit reason given for the change (from a felony carrying a 3-8 year sentence) was " societal and medical understanding of HIV has greatly improved. Effective treatments dramatically lengthen and improve the quality of life for people living with HIV — treatments that also nearly eliminate the possibility of transmission."

 

Direct quote.  Literally, "if you get it these days, it's not so bad."

It's ludicrous for intentionally giving someone AIDS or other std's only being a misdemeanor. What would a person give (moneywise) to not to have ever contracted the disease? Now compare this to the $400 theft that triggers grand larceny and a state mandated prison term. I know that it varies depending on health insurance but think what contracting AIDS might be do to a person financially. Deliberately giving someone AIDS is no different than assault with a deadly weapon.

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1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

If he's not getting any he can be lumped in with DC Tom as a potential mass murderer. We need to take away his weapons.

 

Which weapon? His carving knife? His 8" frying pan? His 2 quart pot? 

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28 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

The explicit reason given for the change (from a felony carrying a 3-8 year sentence) was " societal and medical understanding of HIV has greatly improved. Effective treatments dramatically lengthen and improve the quality of life for people living with HIV — treatments that also nearly eliminate the possibility of transmission."

 

Direct quote.  Literally, "if you get it these days, it's not so bad."

 

It would probably blow some folks minds that HIV/AIDS doesn’t actually 

kill you.

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6 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said:

 

It would probably blow some folks minds that HIV/AIDS doesn’t actually 

kill you.

 

Well the complications do, and will, assiuming you don’t have the hundreds of thousands of dollars for a lifetime’s worth of treatment 

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1 minute ago, joesixpack said:

 

Well the complications do, and will, assiuming you don’t have the hundreds of thousands of dollars for a lifetime’s worth of treatment 

Well hopefully we continue to research it, but prevention is the best option either way.

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7 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said:

 

It would probably blow some folks minds that HIV/AIDS doesn’t actually 

kill you.

 

Yeah.  Pneumocystis pneumonia, fulminant toxoplasmosis, cryptococcal meningitis, Kaposi's sarcoma, cryptosporidiosis, HIV-related encephalopathy...none of those kill you.

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6 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Yeah.  Pneumocystis pneumonia, fulminant toxoplasmosis, cryptococcal meningitis, Kaposi's sarcoma, cryptosporidiosis, HIV-related encephalopathy...none of those kill you.

 

 

None of those kill you with a healthy immune system. Those are what we call opportunistic pathogens.

 

That is my point the actual HIV virus isn’t what kills a person, it’s an opportunist pathogen after the immune system has been weakened.

 

In fact Kaposi Sarcoma was an indicator that HIV was an immunosuppressive disease, elderly usually are the patients due to a weakened immune system, but young men that seemed  healthy had this skin lesion. Which in turn asked the question why does a young person show an elderly patient disease.

 

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10 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said:

 

 

None of those kill you with a healthy immune system. Those are what we call opportunistic pathogens.

 

That is my point the actual HIV virus isn’t what kills a person, it’s an opportunist pathogen after the immune system has been weakened.

 

In fact Kaposi Sarcoma was an indicator that HIV was an immunosuppressive disease, elderly usually are the patients due to a weakened immune system, but young men that seemed  healthy had this skin lesion. Which in turn asked the question why does a young person show an elderly patient disease.

 

 

HIV is not a disease.  It is a virus.  AIDS is...not a disease, it's a syndrome.  Characterized by infections of the list I mentioned, which are diseases.    

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Just now, DC Tom said:

 

HIV is not a disease.  It is a virus.  AIDS is...not a disease, it's a syndrome.  Characterized by infections of the list I mentioned, which are diseases.    

The nomenclature disease is synonymous to a viral infection, I mean we can split hairs about the terminology, you see it as syndrome and I see it as stage 3 in HIV. 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said:

The nomenclature disease is synonymous to a viral infection, I mean we can split hairs about the terminology, you see it as syndrome and I see it as stage 3 in HIV. 

 

 

 

 

Well, why not split hairs about the terminology?  You're splitting hairs about whether or not it kills you.  :rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, Commsvet11 said:

Well hopefully we continue to research it, but prevention is the best option either way.

 

So getting HIV or AIDS is a behavioural fault??

 

 

 

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