MtlBillsFan Posted May 15, 2018 Posted May 15, 2018 https://www.cover1.net/inside-the-playbook-the-erhardt-perkins-play-structure-and-terminology/ 1
K-9 Posted May 15, 2018 Posted May 15, 2018 GREAT stuff here. Especially the mention of the importance of tempo. NE*** kills teams with tempo changes once they get you in unfavorable sub packages.
US Egg Posted May 15, 2018 Posted May 15, 2018 "Daboll to incorporate some college concepts into his playbook, those concepts are seeping into NFL playbooks". Hope he succeeds, he's certainly not the 1st. OC out of college to do so. At Alabama he didn't face the Vikings "D".
Soda Popinski Posted May 15, 2018 Posted May 15, 2018 It's all about your mismatches. Finding that weak spot and pressing on it hard. Maximizing your players abilities and minimizing their weaknesses. Daboll understands this and I think our offense will bear that out. 1
MtlBillsFan Posted May 15, 2018 Author Posted May 15, 2018 The key is flexibility. You need a playbook to be like water. Adjust to everything and everyone. 1
YoloinOhio Posted May 15, 2018 Posted May 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, Ifartalot said: "Daboll to incorporate some college concepts into his playbook, those concepts are seeping into NFL playbooks". Hope he succeeds, he's certainly not the 1st. OC out of college to do so. At Alabama he didn't face the Vikings "D". The Vikings D got throttled by the Eagles offense which incorporated a backup QB and a good deal of college concepts. 2 1
US Egg Posted May 15, 2018 Posted May 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: The Vikings D got throttled by the Eagles offense which incorporated a backup QB and a good deal of college concepts. The 2018 Bills with any of their QB's are not on par with the 2017 Eagles with Foles under center....obviously. In the late afternoon of Sept. 23rd I'll gladly discuss this further if you wish
billsfan1959 Posted May 15, 2018 Posted May 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ifartalot said: The 2018 Bills with any of their QB's are not on par with the 2017 Eagles with Foles under center....obviously. In the late afternoon of Sept. 23rd I'll gladly discuss this further if you wish That wasn't his point
US Egg Posted May 15, 2018 Posted May 15, 2018 His point was college play calling is becoming more present in the NFL offensive schemes and a factor why the Eagles beat the Vikings. Frank Reich was the Eagles OC last year, and yeah he was a factor why they won it all. Daboll is hardly a pioneer in offensive thinking. My point is great schemes without talent don't win football games. The Eagles 2017 talent is far superior to this years Bills, by far.
Shaw66 Posted May 15, 2018 Posted May 15, 2018 Waiting for his further analysis. EP is just a naming system. It does afford the opportunity to run the offense faster, but that alone doesn't make an offense successful. What matters is scheming against the defense and execution. That's where Belichick's offense excels. I'm interested in how Daboll will do in those categories. 8 minutes ago, Ifartalot said: Daboll is hardly a pioneer in offensive thinking. This is the important point, not talent on the roster. Can he design an effective offense and can be adjust it week to week to take advantage of the defense he's facing? 1
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted May 15, 2018 Posted May 15, 2018 It appears that with Daboll here Allen has a legit shot at earning the starting the job sooner then later.
YoloinOhio Posted May 15, 2018 Posted May 15, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ifartalot said: The 2018 Bills with any of their QB's are not on par with the 2017 Eagles with Foles under center....obviously. In the late afternoon of Sept. 23rd I'll gladly discuss this further if you wish I was referring to the concepts, as you were, in relation to the Vikings D. But Foles wasn’t considered good at all when he took over for Wentz. He ended up playing well. The Bills QBs are an unknown at this point. Edited May 15, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1
billsfan1959 Posted May 15, 2018 Posted May 15, 2018 29 minutes ago, Ifartalot said: His point was college play calling is becoming more present in the NFL offensive schemes and a factor why the Eagles beat the Vikings. Frank Reich was the Eagles OC last year, and yeah he was a factor why they won it all. Daboll is hardly a pioneer in offensive thinking. My point is great schemes without talent don't win football games. The Eagles 2017 talent is far superior to this years Bills, by far. His point was your first statement. It just felt like you were calling him out on something he didn't say - which is that the talent of the Bills was equal to that of the Vikings. But, I am sure Yolo can speak for himself.
nuklz2594 Posted May 15, 2018 Posted May 15, 2018 with allen having a cannon for an arm...will this offense be catered to him in the future? will it be aj's style?
YoloinOhio Posted May 15, 2018 Posted May 15, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Ifartalot said: His point was college play calling is becoming more present in the NFL offensive schemes and a factor why the Eagles beat the Vikings. Frank Reich was the Eagles OC last year, and yeah he was a factor why they won it all. Daboll is hardly a pioneer in offensive thinking. My point is great schemes without talent don't win football games. The Eagles 2017 talent is far superior to this years Bills, by far. It was a factor in why they beat the Vikings. That’s all I said. The concepts were not so much Reich, but rather Pederson. Reich is one of the most conservative, boring play callers I’ve ever seen when he got the chance to do so in SD and then got fired. He’s a much better QB coach than OC, and may be a better HC than OC. Edited May 15, 2018 by YoloinOhio
US Egg Posted May 15, 2018 Posted May 15, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: It just felt like you were calling him out on something he didn't say - which is that the talent of the Bills was equal to that of the Vikings. No, it was him citing the Eagles college influenced offense helped beat the Vikings and I countered with we'll see how Daboll's attempt at using his college experience as the Bills OC compares against the Vikings in their 3rd game this year. My implication is it will be a much different result, solely because of Eagles superior talent. Edited May 15, 2018 by Ifartalot
Shaw66 Posted May 15, 2018 Posted May 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, nuklz2594 said: with allen having a cannon for an arm...will this offense be catered to him in the future? will it be aj's style? No, the offense won't be designed to suit what Allen does best. It will be designed to defeat NFL defenses, and whether Allen makes it or not will depend on his ability to execute the offense as designed. The offensive will be designed to take advantage of deep throws when the defense is deployed in a way that make deep throws possible. Same as always. 1
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted May 15, 2018 Posted May 15, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Soda Popinski said: It's all about your mismatches. Finding that weak spot and pressing on it hard. Maximizing your players abilities and minimizing their weaknesses. Daboll understands this and I think our offense will bear that out. Mismatches...That's why the ability to more efficiently run a no huddle/uptempo offense is so important in this offense. It allows you to take advantage of certain personell groupings that the defense trots out at times. Having simpler verbiage with play calls is the key. One or two word play calls make it possible. When the Bills went uptempo last year, it wasn't nearly as effective, because the play clock wasn't being properly utilized, partially due to the elongated play calls. Rather than snapping the ball with 20+ seconds on the play clock, it was usually within 10 seconds of expiring, which mitigates the main purposes of uptempo (taking advantage of defensive personell, and wearing them out). I brought this up in a thread I started a few days ago, as well as the flexibility EP creates (not just on the field, but in roster decisions as well). IMO, EP should help the offense progress faster than it otherwise might, with either AJ or Allen at QB. It may take some time be a well oiled machine, but maybe not as long as we think. Edited May 15, 2018 by Drunken Pygmy Goat 1
billsfan1959 Posted May 15, 2018 Posted May 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ifartalot said: No, it was him citing the Eagles college influenced offense helped beat the Vikings and I countered with we'll see how Daboll's attempt at using his college experience as the Bills OC compares against the Vikings in their 3rd game this year. My implication is it will be a much different result, solely because of Eagles superior talent. Gotcha. We certainly have a lot of unknowns going into the season and it should be interesting. 1
Shaw66 Posted May 15, 2018 Posted May 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: I brought this up in a thread I started a few days ago, as well as the flexibility EP creates (not just on the field, but in roster decisions as well). IMO, this offense should help the offense progress faster than it otherwise might, with either AJ or Allen at QB. It may take some time be a well oiled machine, but maybe not as long as we think. What does EP have to do with roster decisions? My understanding is that all NFL teams run more or less the same plays, regardless of nomenclature. They run the same routes. Receivers have same opportunity to get open or not. What does EP have to do with it? I've said this before: If EP were so obviously better, why doesn't every team use it? Until someone has explained it better, I don't see what the big deal is. 1
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