Is "faith" a requirement under McD?

[Sky Diver]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If there are coaches who feel astrology is central to their lives and helps motivate them, why not?

 

I don't understand the whole "give me the Creeps" thing.  If they're following you about pressuring you to join them after you say "thanks, but No" sure, that's creepy.  Otherwise it's their Constitutional right to express and practice their religion.  Tolerance is your civic duty, and theirs - a fact which appears to be getting lost in today's rhetoric

 

We recently visited Northern Ireland.  Belfast today is one of the safest cities in Europe.  The reminders of the Troubles are all around and on the tour we took, the drivers pointed out some of the steps that were taken (courthouses, police and firestations surrounded by double blast walls topped with military-grade barb wire) and explained what life was like (no busses, had to be searched 1x to enter city center and then at the door to each shop).  That is the legacy of one religion being state-supported and of lack of tolerance.

 

No Thanks.

 

There are radicals that want to remove every vestige of Christianity from the public square even though it's part of our history and cultural heritage. I think that's where this is coming from.

[Ironsdad]

16 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

I don't think McD considers faith a requirement.

I do think though that if two FAs were available with identical skill sets but only one was a committed church-goer, McD would choose him.   

 

Faith bring bonus points.  

And 'less likely' to be a knuckle head off the field. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Sky Diver said:

There are radicals that want to remove every vestige of Christianity from the public square even though it's part of our history and cultural heritage. I think that's where this is coming from.

 

I think if this discussion wants to "go there", it's far away from football, and prolly needs to move over to PPP.

 

[T master]

Faith the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen !! 

[ddaryl]

29 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

Yes, I do.

 

It's the same principle as a model being fired for being the size of Kate Upton, a NASCAR driver being fined for cursing over his radio, a Doctor breaking ethical obligations of their practice.

 

Freedom of expression and interests of the individual must pertain to business, as well.  That is, unless you think I should be obligated to make you a cake, in which case we will never agree.

 

 

Very sad... extremely sad, pathetically sad for you or anyone to think its ok to build an all Christian faith based football team when way more than 50% of the fans are not of the same denomination, or to only hire certan people of cetrain faiths.  There is no justification for this

 

What you are saying/doing is nothing more than  bigotry.. This is why I can never support any man made organized religion. My god doesn't hate.. or condone it. Obvioulsy yours does 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dr. K]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If there are coaches who feel astrology is central to their lives and helps motivate them, why not?

 

I don't understand the whole "give me the Creeps" thing.  If they're following you about pressuring you to join them after you say "thanks, but No" sure, that's creepy.  Otherwise it's their Constitutional right to express and practice their religion.  Tolerance is your civic duty, and theirs - a fact which appears to be getting lost in today's rhetoric

 

We recently visited Northern Ireland.  Belfast today is one of the safest cities in Europe.  The reminders of the Troubles are all around and on the tour we took, the drivers pointed out some of the steps that were taken (courthouses, police and firestations surrounded by double blast walls topped with military-grade barb wire) and explained what life was like (no busses, had to be searched 1x to enter city center and then at the door to each shop).  That is the legacy of one religion being state-supported and of lack of tolerance.

 

No Thanks.

Did you miss the part where I said "I can tolerate it in someone like McDermott"? I agree that tolerance is absolutely essential to civil society. But in fact the thing that I disliked about the FCA was that they DID "follow you about pressuring you to join them."  That's what "evangelical" means. You'll just have to tolerate that this kind of ever-present public profession of Christian faith, in areas that have nothing to do with religion, bothers me. 

 

I think that having faith in something is indeed a powerful force in human affairs. But Jesus said (Matthew 6:5), "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward." I do not begrudge anyone their sources of inspiration and faith. I just wish the proselytizers would respect the right of the rest of us to find our way with fewer public professions. And to the degree that they let their religion determine their choices in non-religious areas, I feel I have the right to question it. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

45 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

I think he prefers guys that buy into his team concept and coaching philosophy.

 

I agree.  I would strongly doubt that Beane or McDermott would practice any kind of explicit questioning about someone's religious beliefs.

 

However, it's entirely legit to ask interview questions about how a player handles a stressful situation like regrouping after a bad game or rehabbing an injury, and if expressions of faith come out there, the answer can be noted.

 

If they actually would select on the basis of anything but football talent, athletic abilities, and demonstrated work ethic/football intelligence they would be handicapping themselves.

[FappyTheClown]

In McDermott we trust.

[Tyrod's friend]

1 minute ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

Very sad... extremely sad, pathetically sad for you or anyone to think its ok to build an all Christian faith based football team when way more than 50% of the fans are not of the same denomination, or to only hire certan people of cetrain faiths.  There is no justification for this

 

What you are saying/doing is nothing more than  bigotry.. This is why I can never support any man made organized religion. My god doesn't hate.. or condone it. Obvioulsy yours does 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let's just agree you can see the obvious issues with these two conflicting statements. 

Each of us has his own walk, his own relationship with God and they are intensely personal - even if it is to reject that relationship. I think glorifying that relationship is the singularly most important thing you can do. It strikes me that the alternative is to surrender yourself to other human beings. 

My faith calls me to bring every part of my world into some intersection with God. Work, family, rest, awake time, the things that own. I'd encourage anyone to do the same and I'd like to think that is the perspective of our coach. It isn't in any way bigotry and I dare anyone here to make the point that it is.

 

[Sky Diver]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I agree.  I would strongly doubt that Beane or McDermott would practice any kind of explicit questioning about someone's religious beliefs.

 

However, it's entirely legit to ask interview questions about how a player handles a stressful situation like regrouping after a bad game or rehabbing an injury, and if expressions of faith come out there, the answer can be noted.

 

If they actually would select on the basis of anything but football talent, athletic abilities, and demonstrated work ethic/football intelligence they would be handicapping themselves.

 

They are going to get the players that they think are best suited to win games. If they did otherwise they wouldn’t be in the NFL.

[IDBillzFan]

7 hours ago, Domdab99 said:

The racist, xenophobic, gun-loving, education-hating, environment-killing, authoritarian, myopic hypocrisy of it all. This administration, and those who support it, are literally anti-Jesus's philosophy while unironically spouting his words.

 

Not everyone, of course. But it does seem they like candidates who are not only moronic, but pederasty and sometimes criminal. 

 

Hope that clears it up. 

 

YIkes. That's quite the broad stroke of Christians.

 

Racist. Xenophobes. Gun-loving. Child molesters. You forgot mother rapers. Father stabbers. FATHER Rapers. FATHER RAPERS right there next to you on the Group WH bench!!!

 

It sounds less like you're afraid of Christians and more like you're afraid of people who don't think like you've been told to think.

 

It's a good discussion to have so long as it remains a discussion. The moment it turns into people trying to group together individuals for the sake of making it easier to hit a target, it's best for me to avoid that rabbit hole here. We'll leave it at that for this board. I'm happy the mods have let this discussion continue here without moving the thread to PPP.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

Did you miss the part where I said "I can tolerate it in someone like McDermott"?

 

I missed the part where you said "I can tolerate it in everyone"

 

8 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

I agree that tolerance is absolutely essential to civil society. But in fact the thing that I disliked about the FCA was that they DID "follow you about pressuring you to join them."  That's what "evangelical" means. You'll just have to tolerate that this kind of ever-present public profession of Christian faith, in areas that have nothing to do with religion, bothers me. 

 

I've lived in the Bible Belt (kind of the sweaty part creased in the middle from crossing the small of the back, but still) and have close relatives who are Evangelicals.

Most move off with a "Thank you, and I respect your faith, but not for me".  Occasionally one needs to escalate to pointing out that respect must be mutual.

 

 

[Tyrod's friend]

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

If they actually would select on the basis of anything but football talent, athletic abilities, and demonstrated work ethic/football intelligence they would be handicapping themselves.

You give up something and gain something. 53 individuals of a unified, collective mindset over time will overcome singular talents - and frankly we saw that as clear as massive probiscus between my eyes last year. 

And what's more, it is the sort of organization a community can back. 

[Dr. K]

19 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

There are radicals that want to remove every vestige of Christianity from the public square even though it's part of our history and cultural heritage. I think that's where this is coming from.

There are more people who are insisting that the U.S. is a "Christian republic," the kind of people who inserted the words "under God" into the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954 and "In God We Trust" on currency in 1956, who think that an atheist cannot be a good citizen and who maintained in the face of all evidence that Barack Obama was a Muslim (as if that would somehow disqualify him to be president).

 

The founding fathers went out of their way to keep any reference to God out of the Constitution. Thomas Jefferson: "But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

YIkes. That's quite the broad stroke of Christians.

 

Racist. Xenophobes. Gun-loving. Child molesters. You forgot mother rapers. Father stabbers. FATHER Rapers. FATHER RAPERS right there next to you on the Group WH bench!!!

 

It sounds less like you're afraid of Christians and more like you're afraid of people who don't think like you've been told to think.

 

It's a good discussion to have so long as it remains a discussion. The moment it turns into people trying to group together individuals for the sake of making it easier to hit a target, it's best for me to avoid that rabbit hole here. We'll leave it at that for this board. I'm happy the mods have let this discussion continue here without moving the thread to PPP.

 

Watching it closely.   Feel it's football-topical given McDermott's strongly and openly professed faith.

If this general politicized branch of it continues,  will redirect.

 

" He said, "What were you arrested for, kid?" And I said, "Litterin'." And they all moved away from me on the bench there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I said, "And creating a nuisance." And they all came back, shook my hand, and we had a great time on the bench, talkin' about crime, mother stabbing, father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the bench. "   

 

? Alices Restaurant.

[Dr. K]

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I missed the part where you said "I can tolerate it in everyone"

 

 

I've lived in the Bible Belt (kind of the sweaty part creased in the middle from crossing the small of the back, but still) and have close relatives who are Evangelicals.

Most move off with a "Thank you, and I respect your faith, but not for me".  Occasionally one needs to escalate to pointing out that respect must be mutual.

 

 

I cannot tolerate it in someone who is trying to abridge my freedom and force their religious views into civil society. McDermott seems to me to be pretty harmless, though he clearly is an evangelical who believes the hand of God is everywhere present in his life. 

[IDBillzFan]

16 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

But in fact the thing that I disliked about the FCA was that they DID "follow you about pressuring you to join them."  That's what "evangelical" means.

 

That's actually not what evangelical means. I understand how you would think that way. I lived in NC for years, and to me evangelical meant Tammy Faye Baker.

 

I've come to learn that's like saying 'being a vegan means you follow people around pressuring them to give up flavor.'

 

1 minute ago, Dr. K said:

I cannot tolerate it in someone who is trying to abridge my freedom and force their religious views into civil society.

 

Where do you see people forcing their religious views into civil society?

[Dr. K]

Just now, LABillzFan said:

 

That's actually not what evangelical means. I understand how you would think that way. I lived in NC for years, and to me evangelical meant Tammy Faye Baker.

 

I've come to learn that's like saying 'being a vegan means you follow people around pressuring them to give up flavor.'

 

I think this conversation is veering way off track, but I'll just quote this (from Wikipedia, though I could cite it from many other sources, including evangelical church publications) and do my best to retire from the field of play: "Evangelicals believe in the centrality of the conversion or the "born again" experience in receiving salvation, in the authority of the Bible as God's revelation to humanity, and in spreading the Christian message." 

[IDBillzFan]

Just now, Dr. K said:

I think this conversation is veering way off track, but I'll just quote this (from Wikipedia, though I could cite it from many other sources, including evangelical church publications) and do my best to retire from the field of play: "Evangelicals believe in the centrality of the conversion or the "born again" experience in receiving salvation, in the authority of the Bible as God's revelation to humanity, and in spreading the Christian message." 

 

Yes, of course. One of the things asked of Christians is to make disciples, and you do that by spreading the word of the gospel. 

 

I'll assume you're similarly concerned with girl scouts pushing cookies outside of Wegmans, Apple pushing a camera that makes phone calls, product placement in movies, and pretty much any other group which spreads its primary message in an effort to recruit for and advance their cause?

[ddaryl]

11 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said:

Let's just agree you can see the obvious issues with these two conflicting statements. 

Each of us has his own walk, his own relationship with God and they are intensely personal - even if it is to reject that relationship. I think glorifying that relationship is the singularly most important thing you can do. It strikes me that the alternative is to surrender yourself to other human beings. 

My faith calls me to bring every part of my world into some intersection with God. Work, family, rest, awake time, the things that own. I'd encourage anyone to do the same and I'd like to think that is the perspective of our coach. It isn't in any way bigotry and I dare anyone here to make the point that it is.

 

 

 

I'm lost here.

 

Its a personal journey.. One that should never intersect with employment simply based upon the fact that we all have this seperate personal relationship, and a person should never be denied an opportunity because they didn't chose a specific religion. Your personal journey is personal. I don't think anyone should judge anyone, or should deny anyone anything based upon a [[ersonal belief...

 

If a qualified person is being denied an opportunity simply based upon what religion they subscribe to then I have very large issues with this, and a line has been crossed.

 

So the originsal topic is McDermott only bringing in players who meet his religous criteria. This is how i interpreted the original post and If this is the case then I would not be ok with it, because its is simply uncalled for and it shows an intolerance to others