Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 19 hours ago, PeterGriffin said: No, he really is bad. If he was any good he would still be a Buffalo Bill. TBH, I don't think that follows at all I think possibly one reason the Bills got what they could from him and moved on is that TT was just good enough that players who want to win would gritch if TT were on the bench while a rookie was struggling, but NOT good enough to be a long-term answer at QB
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said: I think it definetly does. We know
Teddy KGB Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: We know After the jags, Saints, and all the embarrassing Pats games you have to agree no ? Calling him good is a reach imo. Let the Allen era commence, it’s wild this convo still burns on and folks still back him after all the fails. Edited May 18, 2018 by Teddy KGB
Lfod Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) Tyrod had a lot of qualities I liked. He was durable. I mean he did get knocked out but man those were hard hits. He was athletic and could make some plays. I'm got nothing against Tyrod and I actually do have a ton of respect for him. I just understand that Buffalo brought in a back up that's been in the league awhile to see if they could get him to transition into a starting quarter back. I have nothing against it. The experiment is over. Tyrod straight choked in games. No one can deny that. He choked in the Panthers and Jaguars games. That's on him. He's the field general and controls the field. Thanks for the 3rd round pick Tyrod. Now it's the real deal, your playing for the worst team in football and you have people thinking your the real deal. Even after those disaster games. I'm sorry but I'm siding with Buffalo. We made the right choice to bench him and then move on the smart way getting value. I still think starting Tyrod is safer because you need him to get a few wins so everything is more in sync for Baker. Edited May 18, 2018 by Lfod
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 29 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: After the jags, Saints, and all the embarrassing Pats games you have to agree no ? Nuh-uh, not going to go down that worm hole with you. Teddy KGB: "Tyrod sucks. Lo and behold, how Tyrod has the worst suckage of any QB who ever hath sucked in the NFL, forsooth!" Random poster: "Foresooth, I have watch'ed games and checked numbers, and lo I have beheld at times there has been good" Teddy KGB: "Thy games and numbers matter not, for I have Seen the Light, and the Light has illuminated the Eternal Suckage of Tyrod, and I can behold none other!" 29 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Calling him good is a reach imo. I was addressing a nice chap who posited that if Tyrod were good (whatever that means to him), he wouldn't be on the Browns now. I don't think it follows. Sometimes good is the enemy of great, and it's better to make a clean break. The Browns QB room may be....INteresting this year. 1
Big Gun Posted May 19, 2018 Posted May 19, 2018 4 hours ago, grb said: We're drowning in football stats; there's a number for everything under the sun. I don't think anyone can keep'em all straight. As for Taylor not being a "top 15 qb", he finished 7th in passer rating in 2015, 13th and 16th in following years. Whatever qualms you might have about the NFL's passer rating system, I think it's a stretch to say he'll never be a top 15 quarterback. That's like the people who say he's good for 8-9 wins max, ignoring the fact he delivered at least eight wins two of his three years starting, and with deeply flawed teams to boot. Taylor's real problem seems to be the tendency to dead-zone games. These aren't the multi-interception mega-stinkers all quarterbacks have, but they're still bad by being extremely ineffectual, and have come a couple of times too often in a season at least. Whether experience and much-better weapons help alleviate that flaw, we'll see... Rk Tm Age Pos G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate▼ QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD 1 Russell Wilson* SEA 27 QB 16 16 10-6-0 329 483 68.1 4024 34 7.0 8 1.7 80 8.3 9.0 12.2 251.5 110.1 67.3 45 265 7.12 7.73 8.5 2 2 2 Andy Dalton CIN 28 QB 13 13 10-3-0 255 386 66.1 3250 25 6.5 7 1.8 80 8.4 8.9 12.7 250.0 106.2 70.0 20 118 7.71 8.17 4.9 3 3 3 Carson Palmer* ARI 36 QB 16 16 13-3-0 342 537 63.7 4671 35 6.5 11 2.0 68 8.7 9.1 13.7 291.9 104.6 77.1 25 151 8.04 8.41 4.4 1 4 4 Tom Brady* NWE 38 QB 16 16 12-4-0 402 624 64.4 4770 36 5.8 7 1.1 76 7.6 8.3 11.9 298.1 102.2 68.0 38 225 6.87 7.48 5.7 2 2 5 Kirk Cousins WAS 27 QB 16 16 9-7-0 379 543 69.8 4166 29 5.3 11 2.0 78 7.7 7.8 11.0 260.4 101.6 71.7 26 186 6.99 7.14 4.6 2 3 6 Drew Brees NOR 36 QB 15 15 7-8-0 428 627 68.3 4870 32 5.1 11 1.8 80 7.8 8.0 11.4 324.7 101.0 70.4 31 235 7.04 7.26 4.7 1 2 7 Cam Newton*+ CAR 26 QB 16 16 15-1-0 296 495 59.8 3837 35 7.1 10 2.0 74 7.8 8.3 13.0 239.8 99.4 67.0 33 284 6.73 7.20 6.3 3 4 8 Tyrod Taylor* BUF 26 QB/wr 14 14 7-6-0 242 380 63.7 3035 20 5.3 6 1.6 63 8.0 8.3 12.5 216.8 99.4 65.3 36 212 6.79 7.10 8.7 1 2 9 Matthew Stafford DET 27 QB 16 16 7-9-0 398 592 67.2 4262 32 5.4 13 2.2 57 7.2 7.3 10.7 266.4 97.0 58.5 44 251 6.31 6.39 6.9 2 3 10 Alex Smith KAN 31 QB 16 16 11-5-0 307 470 65.3 3486 20 4.3 7 1.5 80 7.4 7.6 11.4 217.9 95.4 58.4 45 235 6.31 6.48 8.7 1 1 Rk Tm Age Pos G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate▼ QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD 1 Matt Ryan*+ ATL 31 QB 16 16 11-5-0 373 534 69.9 4944 38 7.1 7 1.3 76 9.3 10.1 13.3 309.0 117.1 79.4 37 235 8.25 9.03 6.5 1 2 2 Tom Brady* NWE 39 QB 12 12 11-1-0 291 432 67.4 3554 28 6.5 2 0.5 79 8.2 9.3 12.2 296.2 112.2 79.1 15 87 7.76 8.81 3.4 1 1 3 Dak Prescott* DAL 23 QB 16 16 13-3-0 311 459 67.8 3667 23 5.0 4 0.9 83 8.0 8.6 11.8 229.2 104.9 78.8 25 143 7.28 7.86 5.2 5 5 4 Aaron Rodgers* GNB 33 QB 16 16 10-6-0 401 610 65.7 4428 40 6.6 7 1.1 60 7.3 8.1 11.0 276.8 104.2 73.8 35 246 6.48 7.24 5.4 0 2 5 Drew Brees* NOR 37 QB 16 16 7-9-0 471 673 70.0 5208 37 5.5 15 2.2 98 7.7 7.8 11.1 325.5 101.7 65.1 27 184 7.18 7.27 3.9 2 4 6 Sam Bradford MIN 29 QB 15 15 7-8-0 395 552 71.6 3877 20 3.6 5 0.9 71 7.0 7.3 9.8 258.5 99.3 57.3 37 276 6.11 6.41 6.3 1 1 7 Kirk Cousins* WAS 28 QB 16 16 8-7-1 406 606 67.0 4917 25 4.1 12 2.0 80 8.1 8.0 12.1 307.3 97.2 66.1 23 190 7.52 7.45 3.7 4 4 8 Derek Carr* OAK 25 QB 15 15 12-3-0 357 560 63.8 3937 28 5.0 6 1.1 75 7.0 7.5 11.0 262.5 96.7 54.6 16 79 6.70 7.20 2.8 7 7 9 Andrew Luck IND 27 QB 15 15 8-7-0 346 545 63.5 4240 31 5.7 13 2.4 64 7.8 7.8 12.3 282.7 96.4 65.9 41 268 6.78 6.84 7.0 4 4 10 Marcus Mariota TEN 23 QB 15 15 8-7-0 276 451 61.2 3426 26 5.8 9 2.0 60 7.6 7.9 12.4 228.4 95.6 59.4 23 156 6.90 7.14 4.9 2 2 11 Ben Roethlisberger* PIT 34 QB 14 14 10-4-0 328 509 64.4 3819 29 5.7 13 2.6 72 7.5 7.5 11.6 272.8 95.4 61.8 17 141 6.99 6.98 3.2 2 2 12 Ryan Tannehill MIA 28 QB 13 13 8-5-0 261 389 67.1 2995 19 4.9 12 3.1 74 7.7 7.3 11.5 230.4 93.5 49.4 29 216 6.65 6.27 6.9 3 3 13 Matthew Stafford DET 28 QB 16 16 9-7-0 388 594 65.3 4327 24 4.0 10 1.7 73 7.3 7.3 11.2 270.4 93.3 66.5 37 216 6.52 6.56 5.9 8 8 14 Russell Wilson SEA 28 QB 16 16 10-5-1 353 546 64.7 4219 21 3.8 11 2.0 59 7.7 7.6 12.0 263.7 92.6 56.8 41 293 6.69 6.56 7.0 4 3 15 Andy Dalton* CIN 29 QB 16 16 6-9-1 364 563 64.7 4206 18 3.2 8 1.4 86 7.5 7.5 11.6 262.9 91.8 50.8 41 264 6.53 6.53 6.8 2 1 16 Alex Smith* KAN 32 QB 15 15 11-4-0 328 489 67.1 3502 15 3.1 8 1.6 80 7.2 7.0 10.7 233.5 91.2 58.0 28 140 6.50 6.39 5.4 3 3 17 Colin Kaepernick SFO 29 QB 12 11 1-10-0 196 331 59.2 2241 16 4.8 4 1.2 65 6.8 7.2 11.4 186.8 90.7 49.5 36 207 5.54 5.92 9.8 1 1 18 Tyrod Taylor BUF 27 QB 15 15 7-8-0 269 436 61.7 3023 17 3.9 6 1.4 84 6.9 7.1 11.2 201.5 89.7 61.4 42 192 5.92 6.07 8.8 1 1 19 Philip Rivers* SDG 35 QB 16 16 5-11-0 349 578 60.4 4386 33 5.7 21 3.6 59 7.6 7.1 12.6 274.1 87.9 57.5 36 188 6.84 6.37 5.9 1 1 20 Carson Palmer ARI 37 QB 15 15 6-8-1 364 597 61.0 4233 26 4.4 14 2.3 80 7.1 6.9 11.6 282.2 87.2 54.5 40 281 6.20 6.03 6.3 1 Rk Tm Age Pos G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate▼ QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD 1 Alex Smith* KAN 33 QB 15 15 9-6-0 341 505 67.5 4042 26 5.1 5 1.0 79 8.0 8.6 11.9 269.5 104.7 63.6 35 207 7.10 7.65 6.5 1 3 2 Drew Brees* NOR 38 QB 16 16 11-5-0 386 536 72.0 4334 23 4.3 8 1.5 54 8.1 8.3 11.2 270.9 103.9 61.1 20 145 7.53 7.71 3.6 2 2 3 Tom Brady*+ NWE 40 QB 16 16 13-3-0 385 581 66.3 4577 32 5.5 8 1.4 64 7.9 8.4 11.9 286.1 102.8 70.2 35 201 7.10 7.56 5.7 2 2 4 Carson Wentz* PHI 25 QB 13 13 11-2-0 265 440 60.2 3296 33 7.5 7 1.6 72 7.5 8.3 12.4 253.5 101.9 74.4 28 162 6.70 7.43 6.0 1 1 5 Jared Goff* LAR 23 QB 15 15 11-4-0 296 477 62.1 3804 28 5.9 7 1.5 94 8.0 8.5 12.9 253.6 100.5 48.4 25 172 7.24 7.72 5.0 1 1 6 Matthew Stafford DET 29 QB 16 16 9-7-0 371 565 65.7 4446 29 5.1 10 1.8 71 7.9 8.1 12.0 277.9 99.3 61.8 47 287 6.80 7.01 7.7 1 4 7 Case Keenum MIN 29 QB 15 14 11-3-0 325 481 67.6 3547 22 4.6 7 1.5 65 7.4 7.6 10.9 236.5 98.3 71.3 22 136 6.78 7.03 4.4 1 3 8 Aaron Rodgers GNB 34 qb 7 7 4-3-0 154 238 64.7 1675 16 6.7 6 2.5 72 7.0 7.2 10.9 239.3 97.2 60.9 22 168 5.80 5.99 8.5 2 2 9 Philip Rivers* LAC 36 QB 16 16 9-7-0 360 575 62.6 4515 28 4.9 10 1.7 75 7.9 8.0 12.5 282.2 96.0 60.6 18 120 7.41 7.60 3.0 2 2 10 Russell Wilson* SEA 29 QB 16 16 9-7-0 339 553 61.3 3983 34 6.1 11 2.0 74 7.2 7.5 11.7 248.9 95.4 58.1 43 322 6.14 6.45 7.2 2 2 11 Josh McCown NYJ 38 QB 13 13 5-8-0 267 397 67.3 2926 18 4.5 9 2.3 69 7.4 7.3 11.0 225.1 94.5 56.3 39 264 6.11 6.00 8.9 1 2 12 Kirk Cousins WAS 29 QB 16 16 7-9-0 347 540 64.3 4093 27 5.0 13 2.4 74 7.6 7.5 11.8 255.8 93.9 50.5 41 342 6.46 6.38 7.1 1 4 13 Ben Roethlisberger* PIT 35 QB 15 15 12-3-0 360 561 64.2 4251 28 5.0 14 2.5 97 7.6 7.5 11.8 283.4 93.4 62.9 21 139 7.07 6.95 3.6 3 4 14 Jameis Winston TAM 23 QB 13 13 3-10-0 282 442 63.8 3504 19 4.3 11 2.5 70 7.9 7.7 12.4 269.5 92.2 50.3 33 207 6.94 6.70 6.9 2 2 15 Matt Ryan ATL 32 QB 16 16 10-6-0 342 529 64.7 4095 20 3.8 12 2.3 88 7.7 7.5 12.0 255.9 91.4 64.9 24 156 7.12 6.87 4.3 2 3 16 Tyrod Taylor BUF 28 QB 15 14 8-6-0 263 420 62.6 2799 14 3.3 4 1.0 47 6.7 6.9 10.6 186.6 89.2 56.4 46 256 5.46 5.67 9.9 1 2 17 Andy Dalton CIN 30 QB 16 16 7-9-0 297 496 59.9 3320 25 5.0 12 2.4 77 6.7 6.6 11.2 207.5 86.6 42.0 39 255 5.73 5.65 7.3 3 3 18 Dak Prescott DAL 24 QB 16 16 9-7-0 308 490 62.9 3324 22 4.5 13 2.7 81 6.8 6.5 10.8 207.8 86.6 66.3 32 185 6.01 5.74 6.1 0 4 19 Derek Carr* OAK 26 QB 15 15 6-9-0 323 515 62.7 3496 22 4.3 13 2.5 87 6.8 6.5 10.8 233.1 86.4 47.2 20 101 6.35 6.07 3.7 1 1 20 Blake Bortles JAX 25 QB 16 16 10-6-0 315 523 60.2 3687 21 4.0 13 2.5 75 7.0 6.7 11.7 230.4 84.7 55.5 24 123 6.52 6.21 4.4 1 1 8th, 18th, 16th outside top 15 in 2 out of 3 years using rating.
twoandfourteen Posted May 19, 2018 Posted May 19, 2018 On 5/17/2018 at 4:21 PM, ScottLaw said: He is good at throwing the deep ball. The Bills lost just about all of their deep ball threats through last season and their WRs were trash. Tyrod is is far from great but he is also far from bad. You win games by your offense protecting the football and scoring points. The Bills offense was TREMENDOUS at that in large part due to Tyrod in 2015 and 2016. Oh, so now TT is no longer "GREAT" but simply "good" at throwing the deep ball. I'll take that as progress. "Their WRs were trash" is one of my favorite #teamtyrod excuses. Let's take a look at what Jimmy Garappolo & CJ Beathard (a rookie) had to work with in SF, shall we? Marquise Goodwin George Kittle Trent Taylor Aldrick Robinson Pierre Garcon for 8 games and some dude named Louis Murphy. JG, CJB, and Brian Freaking Hoyer had a TOP 10 passing offense with that group of WRs & TEs. They were 1100 passing yards ahead of the Bills, who were comfortably in 31st. Tyrod was in his 3rd year as a starter and still couldn't get out of the NFL passing basement. You are correct though, he is very, very far from "great"... but he is much, much closer to "bad". In fact, he's practically sitting right next to it. 2 1
xRUSHx Posted May 19, 2018 Posted May 19, 2018 20 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Haha, great mentor? Man are they going to be in for a shock when Tyrod gives Baker nothing but pointers on how to hold a towel on his head and how to never throw the ball or maybe he will even show him how to not score more then 1 TD a game. I'm sure he can show him how to point blame at everyone but himself or how the offense can sit on the bench 90% of the game. This is how you pad stats. When your a short QB run and run and run. Wait till Tyrod decides to point at race again as to why he failed at being a starter also in Cleveland. Great mentor, this is rich, IMO Tyrod will be benched sooner then later once the fans get a load of timid Tyrod. I feel bad for Cleveland well at least until Baker comes in and shows them what a real QB looks like. 1
Teddy KGB Posted May 19, 2018 Posted May 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Lol. Like I said, the TBD standard of judging QBs is, "how many passing yards did he have? How many 300 yard passing games?" Having good WR's doesn't matter? You can plug anyone in there and your QB should be expected to perform? What the !@#$ is your point about Garoppolo? Garoppolo looks like the next Rodgers. When did I suggest Tyrod was as good as either of these two? Like I've said all along, Tyrod is what he is. A solid QB who can make plays with his legs and sustain drives and has proven he can lead an offense that can put up points when he has good players around him. Drop the solid part and the part about putting up points. He gets exposed as a bum when needed time and time again I like it when you say don’t compare him to his peers who play the same position. Thats always funny, yet his job is to beat them. Just admit he sucks so we can close this down until Mayfield steals his job. 1
Stank_Nasty Posted May 19, 2018 Posted May 19, 2018 (edited) The real mistake in all this isn’t on the browns part. It’s the OP posting this topic, which in turn dredged up teddy, 2-14, RUSH, and got them in the same thread.... that train is never late. Gag me. Edited May 19, 2018 by Stank_Nasty 1
xRUSHx Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) 20 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said: The real mistake in all this isn’t on the browns part. It’s the OP posting this topic, which in turn dredged up teddy, 2-14, RUSH, and got them in the same thread.... that train is never late. Gag me. More like the same old blind sympathetic posters like yourself that just can't admit that the choice they made at QB was 1000% incorrect. Same old nasty sounding just like that girl on the YouTube video many years back screaming, "leave Britney alone". Haha. Going to be a wonderful season not seeing the Tyrod threads, hey hey hey goodbye. Edited May 20, 2018 by xRUSHx 1
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) On 5/19/2018 at 9:31 AM, Stank_Nasty said: The real mistake in all this isn’t on the browns part. It’s the OP posting this topic, which in turn dredged up teddy, 2-14, RUSH, and got them in the same thread.... that train is never late. Gag me. you forgot to include yourself, you seem to be riding right along too, no? Edited May 20, 2018 by DaBillsFanSince1973 2
Stank_Nasty Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: you forgot to include yourself, you seem to riding right along too, no? And there’s Another one of my favorites....nah. You havnt seen me say much on Tyrod, if anything at all, since he’s been moved. I’m good with it. In fact the reason for my initial post up above was because I hadn’t been in this thread one time and when I finally decide to click on it I see all 3 I mentioned on the same page. I could be mistaken but I feel like I hadn’t seen any of them in days in any other threads so It was fitting they were all gathered here after my one simple click.... Have a nice day, junior. 2 hours ago, xRUSHx said: More like the same old blind sympathetic posters like yourself that just can't admit that the choice they made at QB was 1000% incorrect. Same old nasty sounding just like that girl on the YouTube video many years back screaming, "leave Britney alone". Haha. Going to be a wonderful season not seeing the Tyrod threads, hey hey hey goodbye. Classic xRUSHx.... CLASSIC! Not quite as dramatic and over the top as some of your better work but you still nailed it. Nicely done. Edited May 20, 2018 by Stank_Nasty
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: And there’s Another one of my favorites.... again, here you are...crying the blues. poor kid 1
Stank_Nasty Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) all I did was call you a favorite. I’m not crying any sort of blues and havnt in the previous 8 pages. Just simply stated that as soon as I click in this thread for the first time since it’s been up it really managed to dredge up some characters. I give no cares to Tyrod being gone. Good with it. Have been since it happened. Now If you would be so kind to go find some sand to pound. That would be just dandy. And again.... have a nice day. Edited May 20, 2018 by Stank_Nasty 1
HappyDays Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 5 hours ago, xRUSHx said: Going to be a wonderful season not seeing the Tyrod threads, hey hey hey goodbye. I guarantee that there will be Tyrod threads, and that you will be posting in them. 5 1
twoandfourteen Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 On 5/19/2018 at 10:07 AM, ScottLaw said: Lol. Like I said, the TBD standard of judging QBs is, "how many passing yards did he have? How many 300 yard passing games?" Having good WR's doesn't matter? You can plug anyone in there and your QB should be expected to perform? What the !@#$ is your point about Garoppolo? Garoppolo looks like the next Rodgers. When did I suggest Tyrod was as good as either of these two? Like I've said all along, Tyrod is what he is. A solid QB who can make plays with his legs and sustain drives and has proven he can lead an offense that can put up points when he has good players around him. So, again let's clarify your point for the kids in the back: It's only on this website that QBs are judged on passing yards -- by definition a measure of their ability to produce offense by throwing the ball. No where else in football do people judge QBs by considering a numerical measurement of their production when throwing the football. Great point there. You are really doing a fantastic job. I couldn't really care less about JG. I was showing you that TT isn't even close to a guy who was traded mid-season to a team with comparable receivers. No training camp, no preseason. Just a couple of practices and he was already miles ahead of our three-year starter at his best. CJ Beathard, a rookie & Brian Hoyer, a career backup also posted better production with their no-name WRs than ol' no-turnover Tyrod. For example, Hoyer had a game of 29/46 for 353 yds, 2 TDs and 0 INTs. As a rookie, Beathard already hit the "Tyrodian Ceiling" by going 19/25 for 288, 2 TDs and 1 INT. Those guys are punchlines but are still better at playing QB than TT. Moving on... 1. He makes plays with his legs because he is not good at reading defenses and making plays with his arm -- you know, the two things that QBs are primarily responsible for doing. 2. For all those "sustained drives", they sure did punt A LOT. TT is beyond overrated. 1
twoandfourteen Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) On 5/19/2018 at 10:31 AM, Stank_Nasty said: The real mistake in all this isn’t on the browns part. It’s the OP posting this topic, which in turn dredged up teddy, 2-14, RUSH, and got them in the same thread.... that train is never late. Gag me. I'm honored to be included in such a prestigious group. I only jumped in once Scotty reached into his pocket for the ol' race card. That's actually what really fired me up about the whole Tyrod thing months ago in the first place. To accuse someone who is critical of Taylor's performance/production of harboring racist views is blatantly dishonest & beyond unacceptable. It's not like TT was winning 12 games a year & regularly dropping 325 and 4 TDs on defenses. He regularly struggled to hit 200 yard passing in a game. His production & overall performance -- regardless of external circumstances -- were typical of a mid-to-high tier backup-caliber QB. He's no where close to being in the top 15 or 20 starting NFL QBs. It's not racist to take an objective look at the numbers & come to that conclusion. What IS racist is to lower the bar & hold TT to a lesser standard because he is a Black QB. I have far too much respect for the guy as a professional & as a person to do that. Edited May 20, 2018 by twoandfourteen 4
The Red King Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: I guarantee that there will be Tyrod threads, and that you will be posting in them. Beat me to it. No matter what, there will be TT threads. If he bombs in Cleveland, the people claiming he was awful will be jumping all over that, and rubbing it in the face of TT supporters. If he does well, the TT supporters will be frothing at the mouth to rub it in the face of the TT detractors. He just might do well. One possibility that nobody really touched on, is that his timidness might have been because of a complete lack of faith in his receivers. Now, this is not the same thing as having bad receivers. If he had no faith in his receivers, that might have led to some of the checkdowns and runs. However, that is still on TT. Sometimes you just have to take chances. If this theory is true, then TT was like the overprotective parent that doesn't let their asthmatic child camp, play sports or even play outside, someone so terrified that their child cannot handle something that they take no chances at all. You can be too cautious. If this is part of what happened, having a new receiving corp might well fix the problem, TT might start taking chances, and Bills fans will then rip their hair out by the roots, screaming "Why the hell didn't he do that with us?!?". If that is what happened, and what happens, then the trade was a good thing for both teams as Tyrod will finally be comfortable, and he would never have been that QB for us. This is just a theory, though. Not sure if I subscribe to it. 1
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