Matt Patricia story

[hemma]

6 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I interpreted it more as a point on how a scorned woman can destroy a man's life now, 25 years after something happened.  (Even though it doesnt apply to her as shr appearantly wants nothing to do with the situation) Which isn't a point I really care much for.

 

 

 

Completely bass ackwards to my point.   You should be a bit more careful about associating people's names with approval for rape.

 

She and her family will likely be tracked down & inundated with unwanted attention.

It's quite likely her family will suffer much more angst than Patricia.

 

You said it yourself: "She was ashamed and just wanted to move pass the incident. "

 

 

 

 

Edited May 11, 2018 by hemma

[Infinitum]

12 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

She said right, and then said does #metoo actually mean pound me too?

 

That's awesome

13 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

 

Do you assume that all or most reported sexual assault is “character assassination?”  

 

You say “these days,” as if the concept of character assassination is a new concept. When did it start?  2016?  1066? How is this “the media’s” fault?  Who is this “media” you speak of?   Is more prevelent at the New York Post or Info Wars than say the Sun in England, or maybe in Australia or Russia Today?  

 

Actually, save it, I know exactly where you get your talking points. 

 

You seem to have an agenda, have fun with that...

[colin]

this seemed like trumped up bs to me, getting rehashed in the media.

 

but then i took a closer look at patricia.  He is such an unrepentant manlet that i'm not so sure anymore.

 

to be safe we should all post on this website and social media that sexual assault is bad (controversial hot take for the brave few willing to take a stand) and then perhaps retardedly blather believe all women or something. 

[napmaster]

8 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Wow man, that is some !@#$ed up ****.

 

You believe in burdening rape victims, and forcing them to relive painful moments.

 

I can't put myself in the shoes of a woman who has been raped, so I don't think it's right for me to tell them how they should act, grieve, and try to recover and hopefully live with some normalcy.

 

 

Rape victims are unimaginably burdened, which is why the crime is so abhorrent from both a physical and psychological perspective.  The suffering doesn't end with the crime.  There is no compassionate guidance for them.  So when faced with two equally horrific choices, make the choice that protects others.

 

Just to clarify the point...

 

I believe in burdening rape victims by having them relive those painful moments to the police, doctors, nurses, the grand jury, and in open court facing their attacker.  I believe it is for the betterment and protection of society and the only path to any possible closure for them, however unlikely real closure is.

 

You seem to believe in the other choice; burdening rape victims by having them live everyday knowing that their inaction has inevitably lead to numerous more woman being raped and those rape victims now suffering through the exact same nightmares, panic attacks, and depression that they are dealing with on a daily basis.  That guilt would be never ending and unbearable.

 

[MDH]

11 hours ago, NoSaint said:

 

I suppose my take goes a bit like this....

 

this story is news, or at least on the edge of newsworthy, and fair to report

 

but not all news needs a reaction. Not every story needs an action item from the viewer. We can note that he was accused, indicted, and as much associated story as possible - and simply as individuals decide if that effects our own opinions of him. 

 

It’s a 22 year old accusation without a ton of information from the article I read. I don’t think that disqualifies him from coaching 30 year old men to play a game at the situations current state. I think it’s fair for reporters to dig at and question and see where it goes. 

 

Ill admit, while I like watching good guys succeed instead of jerks.... at its core I sometimes wonder, how many crimes should disqualify someone from playing or coaching football? If you are too far outside the bounds of society to be in a locker room or on the field- what job are you able to have? 

 

This is a great take on the matter.

 

As for the bolded, I would say that the issue isn't with him leading men in the locker room, but instead being a leader of a team that represents a region. As such, he has to deal with the media every day and is a public face of the franchise. Most companies don't want a accused sexual assaulter as their public mouthpiece. It's why famous people in general get pulled from projects when this stuff happens. You want a guy going out there and talking about whatever product you have and if all they get asked about is a crime then that becomes associated with your company and product. It's not necessarily fair, but it's life in the spotlight. 

 

On a separate but related topic, I think people today have this idea that because someone voices an opinion on twitter, facebook, etc. that they really feel strongly about an issue. We have this assumption that there is "societal outrage!!!" at an issue when IMO, more often than not, it's a ton of people who have an opinion but don't really give that much of a F. But get enough of these opinions online and it seems like there's a raging mob.

[Sky Diver]

League policy doesn't require a criminal conviction to result in disciplinary action.

 

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[Sky Diver]

11 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

If foster never went to Alabama would you still be making this post?

 

Your **** is so obviously biased it's cult like. Go to a bama board man. We don't give a !@#$. 

 

And I think Patricia is probably a creep. 

 

Looks like padre island during spring break. Not giving him a pass, but I went to school in Texas. Padre Island for the month of March is like soft core porn, it was like those girls gone wild ads you used to see before the internet existed late at night.

 

It's crazy. Can definitely see an idiot making some bad decisions there, male or female. 

 

Someone must have gotten up on the wrong side of the bed.

[NoSaint]

7 hours ago, MDH said:

 

This is a great take on the matter.

 

As for the bolded, I would say that the issue isn't with him leading men in the locker room, but instead being a leader of a team that represents a region. As such, he has to deal with the media every day and is a public face of the franchise. Most companies don't want a accused sexual assaulter as their public mouthpiece. It's why famous people in general get pulled from projects when this stuff happens. You want a guy going out there and talking about whatever product you have and if all they get asked about is a crime then that becomes associated with your company and product. It's not necessarily fair, but it's life in the spotlight. 

 

On a separate but related topic, I think people today have this idea that because someone voices an opinion on twitter, facebook, etc. that they really feel strongly about an issue. We have this assumption that there is "societal outrage!!!" at an issue when IMO, more often than not, it's a ton of people who have an opinion but don't really give that much of a F. But get enough of these opinions online and it seems like there's a raging mob.

 

I get why the company makes the choice. But why as fans we pressure it for some offenses is interesting. Obviously if this is a horrific gang rape it’s not the case I’m making this point on behalf of - just waxing a bit hypothetical about the idea of running guys out of the league for off field conduct. 

 

On the other bit- yea, we escalate quickly in how we categorize things. 3 annoyed tweets from god knows who and suddenly you see headlines about twitter being on fire with outrage. Media loves to stir people up and we eat it up as a society. It’s easy to say the media sucks but they are just playing to their audiences.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...the ONLY right thing to do before passing judgment is to wait for Judge/Jury/Executioner Goodell's investigative findings........modern day Columbo without the trench coat...SMH...

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

Wow man, that is some !@#$ed up ****.

You believe in burdening rape victims, and forcing them to relive painful moments.

I can't put myself in the shoes of a woman who has been raped, so I don't think it's right for me to tell them how they should act, grieve, and try to recover and hopefully live with some normalcy.

 

Well, here is the quandry (which may not apply to Patricia at all, I am speaking generally).  A significant percentage of those who commit sexual assault are repeat offenders (number ranging from 25% to 63% depending upon study).  So "forcing a rape victim to relive painful moments" may, in fact, be precisely what's needed to prevent others from enduring those painful moments in the first place.

 

I get it that, despite the stuff about "she did it for attention", pretty much no one is going to sign up to endure a hospital rape exam then repeat interviews by police and prosecutors for shucks and giggles.   Not fun stuff.  No. 

 

But the other side of the coin is winding up with repeat offenders who do this time and time again, because no one will speak up.   Not all the time, no.  But a not insignificant %.

[Albwan]

On 5/10/2018 at 4:18 AM, LittleJoeCartwright said:

And we thought the sports writers at the Buffalo News were bad.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/swirl-questions-surround-lions-matt-patricia-dismissed-sex-assault-case-comes-light-062930363.html

 

Why would this Detroit reporter dig this up and write an article about it after Patricia was already hired as head coach? Does he have an axe to grind with the Lions?   Did Patricia not give him an interview?   To go back and dig up this story 20 years later, how does this help anyone involved? 

Because a lot of media are like posters in chat rooms, hate bloggers looking

for their five minutes of fame at any cost.

[stuvian]

The Patriot hater in me wants to believe the worst but I think us guys need to circle the wagons when it comes to unfounded accusations

[KD in CA]

1 hour ago, Albwan said:

Because a lot of media are like posters in chat rooms, hate bloggers looking

for their five minutes of fame at any cost.

 

Yep.

 

The only standard left in journalism is being first to "break the story".

[Max Fischer]

43 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

Yep.

 

The only standard left in journalism is being first to "break the story".

 

Agree, among the worst are Fox News, the NY Post, Info Wars, Rush Limbaugh, Washington Times, Sinclair Broadcasting, the Sun in London . . . 

[NoSaint]

56 minutes ago, stuvian said:

The Patriot hater in me wants to believe the worst but I think us guys need to circle the wagons when it comes to unfounded accusations

Just because you don’t know the evidence doesn’t mean the allegations without merit 

[#34fan]

 

Patricia needs a shave and a f___ing haircut...

 

Half his problem is that he looks the part of someone who'd run a train on a drunken co-ed.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

Just because you don’t know the evidence doesn’t mean the allegations without merit 

The problem is that with a story like this, one person's speculation is as valid as the next.  There's no great life lesson here, just a bunch of scuttlebutt that typically ends up having people going one way or the other opinion-wise. I try to go back to the basics, which is simply the Matt Patricia can do nothing to clear his name for those who lean "creep".  He can't get a retraction, a redo, a do-over, a day in court...so if he was a victim of a bogus police report, well, he's just gotta suck it up and deal with it.  

 

Then again, if he did it, well, screw him.

 

 

Edited May 12, 2018 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[NoSaint]

9 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

The problem is that with a story like this, one person's speculation is as valid as the next.  There's no great life lesson here, just a bunch of scuttlebutt that typically ends up having people going one way or the other opinion-wise. I try to go back to the basics, which is simply the Matt Patricia can do nothing to clear his name for those who lean "creep".  He can't get a retraction, a redo, a do-over, a day in court...so if he was a victim of a bogus police report, well, he's just gotta suck it up and deal with it.  

 

Then again, if he did it, well, screw him.

 

 

 

Thats kind of why I was leaning towards “not all news demands action”

 

this is one of those where your own lens about how society handles he said-she said will likely determine what you think of this guy and case. Because of that I encourage both sides to ask some questions, remain open minded, and likely be ready to move on without toooo much noise unless we get a surprise and lots of details come out 

[stuvian]

11 hours ago, NoSaint said:

Just because you don’t know the evidence doesn’t mean the allegations without merit 

 

I hear you're No Saint either

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 hours ago, #34fan said:

Patricia needs a shave and a f___ing haircut...

Half his problem is that he looks the part of someone who'd run a train on a drunken co-ed.

 

Thought those guys looked like this

 

(disclaimer: I pulled this from a TFM "Composite Photo" commentary.  If it turns out to belong to a real human, Me Bad.  But TFM Bad too. )