stinky finger Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 30 minutes ago, QCity said: Parcells was different he had like 4 rules for drafting a QB (must have started 3 years, won so many games, etc). That 26-27-60 rule was made up by an SI reporter (https://www.si.com/more-sports/2010/07/08/qb-rule) and as far as I can tell he picked 60% because it was round. Higher completion % is obviously better but I don't see any statistical significance with that number. Allen's comp % is 4.7% less than Rosen's but people are acting like he can't hit the side of a barn. This - and Allen isn't an A-hole like Rosen. 1
The Now Moment Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: The most successful NFL QB taken in the draft since the NFL realignment in 2002 with a college completion percentage under 58% their final year of college was David Garrard. The odds are against Allen regardless of how you spin it. There are so many factors that go into a completion percentage and everyone puts it on the QB. The offensive line and receivers need to do their jobs as well, Wyoming didn't provide much support at all as opposed to the other QBs that were drafted in the top 10. The odds were stacked against Allen when he was at Wyoming, here he has some weapons. Edited May 7, 2018 by Buffalo30
Doc Brown Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: There are so many factors that go into a completion percentage and everyone puts it on the QB. The offensive line and receivers need to do their jobs as well, Wyoming didn't provide much support at all as opposed to the other QBs that were drafted in the top 10. The odds were stacked against Allen when he was at Wyoming, here he has some weapons. Have you seen our o-line and WR core?
aceman_16 Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 The crowd who thinks "accuracy equals completion percentage" are absolutely mislead. Completion percentage should ALWAYS be seen as a team metric vs accuracy should be seen as placement. Zay Jones did not help Tyrod's completion percentage. You could have had the most "accurate" QB in the league tossing the ball to him last year, but with his lead hands would have killed that QBs completion percentage.
Thurman#1 Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, racketmaster said: When discussing Josh Allen, inevitably his career college completion percentage (56.2%) comes up in the conversation. Most analysts seem to be in agreement that there are very few examples in recent history of quarterbacks who have had sub 60% completion percentage and still had NFL success. Favre and Stafford seem to be the most cited examples of the anomalies. Therefore, Allen will have to be an “outlier” in order to have any measure of NFL. Allen is thought to end up being the next Jake Locker or Kyle Boller. I tend to believe that completion percentage does not necessarily equal accuracy (many other factors come into play). But that discussion has been had many times before and I was just interested in seeing what other quarterbacks may be out there that had a sub 60% completion percentage and also a decent amount of NFL success. I went back to quarterbacks drafted 1990 and forward. I know the game has evolved since then and completion percentages tend to be much higher today because of the types of schemes teams tend to run at the college level. But I still think it was worth looking into especially since Allen has not run a gimmicky college offense but rather he has operated in a pro style passing offense where he has been asked to make a higher percentage of difficult downfield throws (more like what quarterbacks were asked to do in the 1980’s and 1990’s). Below is a list of other quarterbacks who have had at least a decent career and also had a less than 60% completion percentage in college. I know “decent” is subjective but I was looking at quarterbacks who have at least stuck around a long time as high end backups or at least had brief periods of solid success as a starter. This is not a complete list but I think it covers most if not all of the quality starters drafted from 1990 to the Present. Brett Favre 52.4% Southern Miss. 1990 Mark Brunell 52.0% Washington 1993 Kerry Collins 56.3% Penn State 1995 Drew Bledsoe 54.3% Washington State 1993 Brian Griese 59.5% Michigan 1998 Jeff George 58.8% Illinois 1990 Jake Plummer 55.4% Arizona State 1996 Jeff Garcia 56.8% San Jose State 1994 Donovan McNabb 58.4% Syracuse 1999 Neil O’Donnell 58.8% Maryland 1990 Trent Dilfer 59.1% Fresno State 1994 Trent Green 55.8% Indiana 1993 Jake Delhomme 52.6% Louisiana 1997 Matt Hasselbeck 55.6% Boston College 1998 Mike Vick 56.0% Va Tech 2000 Tyrod Taylor 57.2% Va Tech 2011 Colin Kaepenick 58.2% 2011 Matthew Stafford 57.1% Georgia 2009 Josh McCown 51.2% SMU 2002 Carson Palmer 59.1% USC 2003 Kyle Orton 58.8% Purdue 2005 David Garrard 57.0% East Carolina 2002 Jay Cutler 57.2% Vanderbilt 2006 Matt Ryan 59.9% Boston College 2008 Brian Hoyer 55.8% Michigan State 2009 Derek Anderson 50.7% Oregon State 2005 Chad Henne 59.7% Michigan 2008 After looking back at the quarterbacks, I was surprised to find so many that were sub 60% since 1990. I was under the impression that there were only a handful since Brett Favre came out but there were at least 6-7 high quality starters in the group. Hopefully, this gives those stuck on Allen’s lower completion percentage a little more hope. And the positive thing for Allen is that he has some rare physical traits that can help him overcome the perceived inaccuracy issue. The thing that makes people worry is that very few of the people on that list are from the last 12 - 15 years. That's 28 years of data and most of the people are from the first ten years or so, when QB ratings tended to be much lower. If you look at only 2005 and later, the last 13 years, excluding Allen himself you have Henne, Derek Anderson, Hoyer, Matt Ryan, Cutler, Orton, Stafford, Kaepernick and Tyrod. And outside of Matt Ryan and Stafford, that's not an illustrious group. The bottom line, though, is that situations differ, and Allen's success will have little to do with college completion percentage. It'll be about how well he sticks with his mechanics changes, how well he comes along on understanding NFL defenses, and how well he learns to go through progressions correctly and make the right decisions quickly. And likely how quickly he will be asked to play. Like DeShaun Watson last year, Allen is thought of as a developmental guy. But also like DeShaun Watson, Allen spent months working with Jordan Palmer after the season ended. This catapulted Watson forward in his development and understanding of the NFL game. It may well have done the same with Allen. I personally hope that he still sits the bench this year ... the more he knows before he gets out there the better. But if he does end up starting sometime this season, Jordan Palmer's tutelage will likely be a large part of the reason and hopefully will have him much readier than he would(n't) have been otherwise. Edited May 7, 2018 by Thurman#1 1
The Now Moment Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Have you seen our o-line and WR core? Mccoy, Clay, Benjamin are better than people give them credit for, they weren't healthy last year. Jones could turn it around. They are still going to rely on Shady to carry the load, it's not like the QB has to do it all. Plus, we have a top ten defense IMO. A solid running game and a solid defense will be enough for this year. We can reload the offense next year...trust the process, it takes time to build a contender.
Da webster guy Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 2 hours ago, racketmaster said: I really like his accuracy on intermediate throws. His wrs rarely had much separation and he frequently fit the ball into tight windows even while on the move. Allen's accuracy seemed to be off on the "easier" throws such as a bubble screen or rb checkdown in the flat. these are the ones that are fixable, thankfully. And because they're easy on the arm, a qb can practice a hundred shorties a day. He'll come around if he works hard, Tyrod got a lot better at his touch on short passes the longer he played.
Protocal69 Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 Here is the list of the highest college completion rates for qb since 1998. You can use your 'Ctrl F' on your keyboard to try your favorite QB. Point is having a high college completion rate is also not a predictive factor on succes in the NFL. 1 Riley Ferguson* 63.14 2016 2017 Memphis 2 McKenzie Milton* 62.79 2016 2017 UCF 3 Mason Fine* 62.05 2016 2017 North Texas 4 Dru Brown* 61.98 2016 2017 Hawaii 5 Andrew Ford 61.98 2016 2017 Massachusetts 6 Justice Hansen* 60.70 2016 2017 Arkansas State 7 Sam Darnold* 64.89 2015 2017 USC 8 Jake Browning* 64.42 2015 2017 Washington 9 Manny Wilkins* 63.38 2015 2017 Arizona State 10 Brett Rypien* 62.73 2015 2017 Boise State 11 Trace McSorley* 61.83 2015 2017 Penn State 12 Eric Dungey 61.67 2015 2017 Syracuse 13 Jason Driskel* 61.11 2015 2017 Florida Atlantic 14 Josh Rosen* 60.85 2015 2017 UCLA 15 Chase Litton* 60.77 2015 2017 Marshall 16 Riley Neal 60.75 2015 2017 Ball State 17 Luke Falk* 68.31 2014 2017 Washington State 18 Deshaun Watson* 67.44 2014 2016 Clemson 19 Brandon Silvers* 64.40 2014 2017 Troy 20 Brent Stockstill* 63.58 2014 2017 Middle Tennessee State 21 Patrick Mahomes* 63.53 2014 2017 Texas Tech 22 J.T. Barrett* 63.50 2014 2017 Ohio State 23 Mason Rudolph* 63.23 2014 2017 Oklahoma State 24 Ryan Finley* 62.64 2014 2017 North Carolina State 25 Nick Stevens* 61.88 2014 2017 Colorado State 26 Nick Arbuckle* 61.86 2014 2015 Georgia State 27 Matt Linehan* 61.23 2014 2017 Idaho 28 Kent Myers* 61.12 2014 2017 Utah State 29 Taylor Lamb* 60.71 2014 2017 Appalachian State 30 Gunner Kiel* 60.62 2014 2016 Cincinnati 31 Baker Mayfield* 68.54 2013 2017 Oklahoma 32 Greg Ward Jr.* 67.45 2013 2016 Houston 33 Jameis Winston* 66.04 2013 2014 Florida State 34 Zach Terrell* 65.47 2013 2016 Western Michigan 35 Logan Woodside* 65.09 2013 2017 Toledo 36 Kenny Hill* 64.92 2013 2017 Texas Christian 37 Chad Kelly* 63.89 2013 2016 Ole Miss 38 Ryan Higgins* 63.55 2013 2016 Louisiana Tech 39 Paxton Lynch* 62.90 2013 2015 Memphis 40 Sefo Liufau* 62.82 2013 2016 Colorado 41 Tyler Jones 62.62 2013 2016 Texas State 42 Jared Goff* 62.31 2013 2015 California 43 Cooper Rush* 62.01 2013 2016 Central Michigan 44 Mike White* 61.95 2013 2017 Western Kentucky 45 Jake Rudock* 61.67 2013 2015 Michigan 46 Bryant Shirreffs* 61.55 2013 2017 Connecticut 47 Davis Webb* 61.52 2013 2016 California 48 Joshua Dobbs* 61.46 2013 2016 Tennessee 49 Johnny Manziel* 68.95 2012 2013 Texas A&M 50 David Fales* 68.12 2012 2013 San Jose State 51 Cody Kessler* 67.49 2012 2015 USC 52 Brett Hundley* 67.45 2012 2014 UCLA 53 Marcus Mariota* 66.75 2012 2014 Oregon 54 Shane Carden* 66.62 2012 2014 East Carolina 55 Kevin Hogan* 65.91 2012 2015 Stanford 56 Matt Johnson* 65.37 2012 2015 Bowling Green State 57 Bo Wallace* 62.98 2012 2014 Ole Miss 58 Dak Prescott* 62.79 2012 2015 Mississippi State 59 Marquise Williams* 61.30 2012 2015 North Carolina 60 Everett Golson* 61.20 2012 2015 Florida State 61 Trevone Boykin* 61.18 2012 2015 Texas Christian 62 Brandon Doughty* 68.61 2011 2015 Western Kentucky 63 Teddy Bridgewater* 68.39 2011 2013 Louisville 64 Blake Bortles* 65.66 2011 2013 UCF 65 Cody Fajardo* 65.13 2011 2014 Nevada 66 Sean Mannion* 64.58 2011 2014 Oregon State 67 Taylor Kelly* 63.29 2011 2014 Arizona State 68 Chuckie Keeton* 62.92 2011 2015 Utah State 69 Rakeem Cato* 62.73 2011 2014 Marshall 70 Bryce Petty* 62.72 2011 2014 Baylor 71 Connor Halliday* 62.06 2011 2014 Washington State 72 Brett Smith* 61.96 2011 2013 Wyoming 73 Garrett Grayson* 61.81 2011 2014 Colorado State 74 Jeff Driskel* 60.70 2011 2015 Louisiana Tech 75 A.J. McCarron* 66.86 2010 2013 Alabama 76 Bryn Renner* 66.47 2010 2013 North Carolina 77 Dominique Davis* 65.91 2010 2011 East Carolina 78 Connor Shaw* 65.48 2010 2013 South Carolina 79 Corey Robinson* 64.67 2010 2013 Troy 80 Tajh Boyd* 64.27 2010 2013 Clemson 81 Keith Price* 63.99 2010 2013 Washington 82 Terrance Owens* 63.05 2010 2013 Toledo 83 Keith Wenning* 63.03 2010 2013 Ball State 84 Nathan Scheelhaase* 62.96 2010 2013 Illinois 85 Aaron Murray* 62.31 2010 2013 Georgia 86 James Franklin* 62.14 2010 2013 Missouri 87 Jordan Lynch* 61.77 2010 2013 Northern Illinois 88 Pete Thomas 61.71 2010 2014 Louisiana-Monroe 89 Logan Kilgore* 60.97 2010 2013 Middle Tennessee State 90 Seth Doege* 69.00 2009 2012 Texas Tech 91 Geno Smith* 67.44 2009 2012 West Virginia 92 Andrew Luck* 67.01 2009 2011 Stanford 93 E.J. Manuel* 66.89 2009 2012 Florida State 94 Derek Carr* 66.69 2009 2013 Fresno State 95 Sean Renfree* 64.65 2009 2012 Duke 96 Tino Sunseri* 64.50 2009 2012 Pitt 97 Ryan Aplin* 64.47 2009 2012 Arkansas State 98 Matt Barkley* 64.08 2009 2012 USC 99 Colby Cameron* 63.82 2009 2012 Louisiana Tech 100 Zac Dysert* 63.76 2009 2012 Miami (OH) 101 Landry Jones* 63.58 2009 2012 Oklahoma 102 Alex Carder* 63.29 2009 2012 Western Michigan 103 Austyn Carta-Samuels* 62.44 2009 2013 Vanderbilt 104 Tyler Tettleton* 62.35 2009 2013 Ohio 105 Bryant Moniz* 62.23 2009 2011 Hawaii 106 Nick Florence* 61.80 2009 2012 Baylor 107 Jeff Tuel 61.34 2009 2012 Washington State 108 G.J. Kinne* 61.26 2009 2011 Tulsa 109 Kyle Padron* 61.18 2009 2011 SMU 110 Kellen Moore* 69.78 2008 2011 Boise State 111 Brandon Weeden* 69.54 2008 2011 Oklahoma State 112 Robert Griffin III* 67.11 2008 2011 Baylor 113 Kirk Cousins* 64.10 2008 2011 Michigan State 114 Levi Brown* 62.89 2008 2009 Troy 115 Tyler Wilson* 62.55 2008 2012 Arkansas 116 Ryan Tannehill* 62.53 2008 2011 Texas A&M 117 Zach Collaros* 61.94 2008 2011 Cincinnati 118 Chandler Harnish* 61.89 2008 2011 Northern Illinois 119 Darron Thomas* 61.26 2008 2011 Oregon 120 Austin Davis* 61.10 2008 2011 Southern Mississippi 121 Terrelle Pryor* 60.92 2008 2010 Ohio State 122 Russell Wilson* 60.91 2008 2011 Wisconsin 123 Blaine Gabbert* 60.88 2008 2010 Missouri 124 Case Keenum* 69.36 2007 2011 Houston 125 Sam Bradford* 67.64 2007 2009 Oklahoma 126 Nick Foles* 66.81 2007 2011 Arizona 127 Taylor Potts* 66.27 2007 2010 Texas Tech 128 Max Hall* 65.34 2007 2009 Brigham Young 129 Jimmy Clausen* 62.61 2007 2009 Notre Dame 130 T.J. Yates* 62.26 2007 2010 North Carolina 131 Christian Ponder* 61.76 2007 2010 Florida State 132 Andy Dalton* 61.66 2007 2010 Texas Christian 133 Mike Hartline* 61.17 2007 2010 Kentucky 134 Ben Chappell* 61.07 2007 2010 Indiana 135 Giovanni Vizza 60.73 2007 2008 North Texas 136 Colt McCoy* 70.33 2006 2009 Texas 137 Chase Holbrook 69.35 2006 2008 New Mexico State 138 Riley Skinner* 66.94 2006 2009 Wake Forest 139 Tim Tebow* 66.43 2006 2009 Florida 140 Dan Lefevour* 66.42 2006 2009 Central Michigan 141 Tyler Sheehan* 64.66 2006 2009 Bowling Green State 142 Sean Canfield* 64.11 2006 2009 Oregon State 143 Todd Reesing* 63.79 2006 2009 Kansas 144 Andy Schmitt 62.84 2006 2009 Eastern Michigan 145 Matt Grothe* 62.46 2006 2009 South Florida 146 Omar Haugabook* 61.29 2006 2007 Troy 147 Zac Robinson* 61.06 2006 2009 Oklahoma State 148 Colt Brennan* 70.39 2005 2007 Hawaii 149 Graham Harrell* 69.77 2005 2008 Texas Tech 150 Chase Daniel* 67.99 2005 2008 Missouri 151 Pat White* 64.75 2005 2008 West Virginia 152 Drew Willy* 64.22 2005 2008 Buffalo 153 Cullen Harper* 63.56 2005 2008 Clemson 154 Tim Hiller* 63.00 2005 2009 Western Michigan 155 Willie Tuitama* 61.60 2005 2008 Arizona 156 Rudy Carpenter* 61.04 2005 2008 Arizona State 157 Brian Johnson* 66.17 2004 2008 Utah 158 Brian Brohm* 65.82 2004 2007 Louisville 159 Andre Woodson* 61.89 2004 2007 Kentucky 160 JaMarcus Russell* 61.86 2004 2006 LSU 161 Caleb Hanie* 61.04 2004 2007 Colorado State 162 Blake Mitchell* 60.71 2004 2007 South Carolina 163 Clint Marks* 66.01 2003 2006 Middle Tennessee State 164 Matt Leinart* 64.82 2003 2005 USC 165 Omar Jacobs* 64.49 2003 2005 Bowling Green State 166 Drew Stanton* 64.18 2003 2006 Michigan State 167 Paul Smith* 62.54 2003 2007 Tulsa 168 John Beck* 62.41 2003 2006 Brigham Young 169 John David Booty* 62.26 2003 2007 USC 170 Jared Zabransky* 62.24 2003 2006 Boise State 171 Vince Young* 61.84 2003 2005 Texas 172 Kevin Kolb* 61.60 2003 2006 Houston 173 Chris Leak* 61.39 2003 2006 Florida 174 Shawn Bell 61.16 2003 2006 Baylor 175 Drew Tate* 61.01 2003 2006 Iowa 176 Bruce Gradkowski* 68.21 2002 2005 Toledo 177 Sonny Cumbie* 65.48 2002 2004 Texas Tech 178 Joel Klatt* 61.17 2002 2005 Colorado 179 Kellen Clemens* 60.99 2002 2005 Oregon 180 Jeff Rowe* 60.78 2002 2006 Nevada 181 Ben Roethlisberger* 65.49 2001 2003 Miami (OH) 182 Jason Campbell* 64.64 2001 2004 Auburn 183 Charlie Frye 63.58 2001 2004 Akron 184 Brian Lindgren 61.00 2001 2003 Idaho 185 Matt Schaub* 66.98 2000 2003 Virginia 186 B.J. Symons* 64.36 2000 2003 Texas Tech 187 Philip Rivers* 63.57 2000 2003 North Carolina State 188 Ryan Dinwiddie* 62.70 2000 2003 Boise State 189 Ryan Schneider 62.04 2000 2003 UCF 190 Casey Clausen* 61.02 2000 2003 Tennessee 191 Josh Harris* 60.99 2000 2003 Bowling Green State 192 Rex Grossman* 60.99 2000 2002 Florida 193 Eli Manning* 60.82 2000 2003 Ole Miss 194 Kliff Kingsbury* 65.37 1999 2002 Texas Tech 195 Wes Counts 65.05 1999 2001 Middle Tennessee State 196 Jason White* 63.33 1999 2004 Oklahoma 197 Josh Heupel* 63.27 1999 2000 Oklahoma 198 Byron Leftwich* 65.12 1998 2002 Marshall 199 George Godsey 63.27 1998 2001 Georgia Tech 200 Tim Rattay 65.40 1997 1999 Louisiana Tech 201 Chad Pennington* 63.57 1997 1999 Marshall 202 David Carr* 62.71 1997 2001 Fresno State 203 Drew Brees* 61.14 1997 2000 Purdue 204 Tim Couch 67.15 1996 1998 Kentucky 205 Daunte Culpepper 65.72 1996 1998
Ol Dirty B Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 2 hours ago, CajunBillsBacker said: Now let’s put together a list of 62% and up QB’s that didn’t amount to anything. I bet that list is even longer. His list only includes guys that had decent NFL careers. The list of guys under 60% who didn't amount to anything or be even given an opportunity is even longer than that one. What a stupid point. 1
Doc Brown Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Chosenone said: Here are Russell Wilson's college stats! 54%, 59% and 58% his 3 yrs at NC State. 2008 NC State 150 275 1,955 17 1 54.5 133.9 116 394 3.4 4 2009 NC State 224 378 3,027 31 11 59.3 147.8 103 260 2.5 4 2010 NC State 308 527 3,563 28 14 58.4 127.5 143 435 3.0 9 2011 Wisconsin 225 309 3,175 33 4 72.8 191.8 79 338 4.3 6 That's interesting because NC State played a spread offense that relied on the passing game while Wisconsin employed a pro style offense with more emphasis on balance. The biggest reason for these increase in stats were there was a drastic improvement in the quality of the o-line and running game (Monte Ball lead the league in rushing in 2011). The defense at Wisconsin was also superior as they ranked 4th in the nation in 2011. Because of these factors, he threw the ball less (309 times vs. 527 the year before) and he didn't feel the need to force throws down the field to try and keep up with his opponents offense. He also dedicated himself more to football in his senior year in learning Stanford's playbook as he managed to graduate from NC State in three years. I don't see much of a comparison to Josh Allen.
17 Josh Allen Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 Bottom line in my opinion the 3 best QB’s In this 2018 draft are Allen, Jackson and Rudolph. Those were my favorites and it will be fun watching all of these QB’s preform through out their careers.
NastyNateSoldiers Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Many of those played in old school offenses as did our QB which explains his lower than today's prospects percentage. Great he'll fit right into this regime old school have no clue about offense approach. Championship!
GoBills808 Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 59 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: That's interesting because NC State played a spread offense that relied on the passing game while Wisconsin employed a pro style offense with more emphasis on balance. The biggest reason for these increase in stats were there was a drastic improvement in the quality of the o-line and running game (Monte Ball lead the league in rushing in 2011). The defense at Wisconsin was also superior as they ranked 4th in the nation in 2011. Because of these factors, he threw the ball less (309 times vs. 527 the year before) and he didn't feel the need to force throws down the field to try and keep up with his opponents offense. He also dedicated himself more to football in his senior year in learning Stanford's playbook as he managed to graduate from NC State in three years. I don't see much of a comparison to Josh Allen. Point being a decent chunk (12% for Wilson) of your completion percentage is directly related to how good of a team you happen to be on. 1
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 23 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: Great he'll fit right into this regime old school have no clue about offense approach. Championship! Dabol has been around champions he knows what to do.
ColdFront_USAF Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 10 hours ago, CajunBillsBacker said: Now let’s put together a list of 62% and up QB’s that didn’t amount to anything. I bet that list is even longer. Here you go. Note: I only went from 2000-2015 as many of the players from there on haven't had a chance to start, sitting behind entrenched starters. I also apologize if anyone disagrees with the names on here. I'm too young to remember a lot of these names, and like the OP said, it's a subjective topic. I was more going for players who's completion percentage does not directly correlate to NFL success. I also went from 60% and up instead of 62%. The other thing to look at here, it becomes really really obvious when college systems started changing over to a spread look. Early on in the list, there are very few guys with 60%. As it goes, you will see a ton of guys with great completion percentages in college who have had little to no success in the NFL. 2000 Chris Redman 61.4 Tim Rattay 65.4 Joe Hamilton 61.7 2001 Josh Heupel 63.3 2002 David Carr 62.7 Brandon Doman 62.1 2003 Byron Leftwich 65.1 Rex Grossman 61 Kliff Kingsburry 65.4 2004 Josh Harris 61 B.J. Symons 64.4 2005 Charlie Frye 63.6 Sefan Lefors 66 2006 Matt Leinart 64.8 Kellen Clemens 61 Ingle Martin 62.1 Omar Jacobs 64.5 Bruce Gradkowski 68.2 2007 JaMarcus Russell 61.9 John Beck 62.4 Jeff Rowe 60.8 Troy Smith 62.7 2008 Brian Brohm 65.8 John David Booty 62.3 Dennis Dixon 63.9 Erik Ainge 60.6 Colt Brennan 70.4 Andre Woodson 61.9 2009 Mark Sanchez 64.3 Pat White 64.8 Nate Davis 60.3 2010 Tim Tebow 66.4 Mike Kafka 64.1 Dan Lefevour 66.4 Tony Pike 61.7 Levi Brown 62.9 Sean Canfield 64.1 Zac Robinson 61.1 2011 Blaine Gabbert 60.9 Christian Ponder 61.8 TJ Yates 62.3 Greg McElroy 66.3 2012 Robert Griffin III 67.1 Brandon Weeden 69.5 Chandler Harnish 61.9 2013 EJ Manuel 66.9 Geno Smith 67.4 Matt Barkely 64.1 Ryan Nassib 60.3 Tyler Wilson 62.6 Zac Dysert 63.8 Sean Renfree 64.7 2014 Johnny Manziel 68.9 Aaron Murray 62.3 Zach Mettenberger 61.8 David Fales 68.1 Keith Wenning 63 Tajh Boyd 64.3 2015 Garrett Grayson 61.8 Sean Mannion 64.6 Bryce Petty 62.7 Special Mentions: Matt Schaub 67 Tarvaris Jakcson 35.4 (yes really) 3
stuvian Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 great topic. That list reads like a hall of pretty good 1
nucci Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 Can we watch him practice as a Bill? This completion % stuff is old. Time to move on
ddaryl Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 LMFAO... no reason for these posts anymore. The fact remains in the modern NFL QB who have thrown for less than 60% average in College have flamed out in the NFL at a MUCH higher rate. yes thee are anomalies but in the last 10 years the number of sub 60% QB's going on to have great careers is diminishing considerably. If you need to make yourself feel better about the Allen draft pick your just gonna have to wait it out like the rest of us and see if he can function on the field. That's all you can do because you can't change the reality and that is we got ourselves a project QB with high ceiling and a low floor
jrober38 Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) If you just look at the names since 2000, it's a really sorry list of quarterbacks. This list does nothing to convince me Allen was the right pick. All this does is show me how rare it is to find a franchise QB who didn't complete more than 59% of their throws in college. Edited May 7, 2018 by jrober38
Nanker Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 13 hours ago, CajunBillsBacker said: Now let’s put together a list of 62% and up QB’s that didn’t amount to anything. I bet that list is even longer. Colt McCoy 70.3 Byron Leftwich 65.1 Geno Smith 67.4 Charlie Frye 63.6 Marcus Mariota 66.8 Brian Brohm 65.8 RG3 67.1 Brett Hundley 67.4 Riley Skinner 66.9 Tim Tebow! 66.4 Rob Johnson 64.6 Tim Couch 67.1 Sam Bradford 67.6 Robbie Bosco 64.0
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