Roundybout Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 From what I heard, it's lucky the Bucs even decided to trade with us in the first place.
Marv's Neighbor Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 IF hindsight tells us that all this worked, he will be a genius! IF not, well, if not, we've been there and done that and all that's been done was to re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic, moored at 1 BILLS Dr.
Doc Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Magnum Force said: Assuming we made no trades and both Allen and Edmunds would have fell to pick 12 (this was pre draft ) I was debating on which outcome I would rather have....Allen at 12 and Vander Esch at 22 or Edmunds at 12 and Jackson/Rudolph at 22 The Cards wanted Allen and would have taken him at 7. The real question is whether they could have gotten Rosen at 12, Edmunds at 16, and kept their 2nd rounders? 9 minutes ago, Marv's Neighbor said: IF hindsight tells us that all this worked, he will be a genius! IF not, well, if not, we've been there and done that and all that's been done was to re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic, moored at 1 BILLS Dr. Depends on McCarron and Peterman. If all 3 are busts then maybe, but Beane didn't mortgage the future. Edited May 5, 2018 by Doc
Magnum Force Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 Just now, Doc said: The Cards wanted Allen and would have taken him at 7. The real question is whether they could have gotten Rosen at 12, Edmunds at 16, and kept their 2nd rounders? I was just doing a hypothetical of where I was at pre draft. Basically saying we ended up with both players I was debating over who I would rather have if they fell to 12. I didn't think either would be there at 12 to be honest and was surprised when Edmunds fell.
Augie Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, NewEra said: Thank the browns for drafting Ward The Browns are awesome! ...unless you’re a Browns fan... 1
BuffaloBillyG Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 50 minutes ago, Doc said: The Cards wanted Allen and would have taken him at 7. The real question is whether they could have gotten Rosen at 12, Edmunds at 16, and kept their 2nd rounders? Depends on McCarron and Peterman. If all 3 are busts then maybe, but Beane didn't mortgage the future. Honestly I feel like Beane would have passed on Rosen and taken Edmunds at 12 then turned around and grabbed Rudolph at 22. 1
Paul Costa Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: Honestly I feel like Beane would have passed on Rosen and taken Edmunds at 12 then turned around and grabbed Rudolph at 22. Agree ?
gobills1212 Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Magnum Force said: Assuming we made no trades and both Allen and Edmunds would have fell to pick 12 (this was pre draft ) I was debating on which outcome I would rather have....Allen at 12 and Vander Esch at 22 or Edmunds at 12 and Jackson/Rudolph at 22 How do you figure Allen would have been there at 12 though? No way, no how, so it's kind of a moot point. I get what you are saying though.. Edited May 5, 2018 by gobills1212
Magnum Force Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, gobills1212 said: How do you figure Allen would have been there at 12 though? No way, no how, so it's kind of a moot point. I get what you are saying though.. Wishful think? I really didn't think either would last until pick 12 though I wanted both. Maybe I should have posted it like this.....QB at pick 12 and hopefully Vander Esch at 22 or Edmonds at pick 12 and QB at 22. I was just surprised that we ended up with both of them. Kind of surreal the way this all played out.
HappyDays Posted May 5, 2018 Author Posted May 5, 2018 13 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: This makes me wonder how high they had Edmunds rated, if he was sticking out on their board at pick 13. Top 5 or 6? Based on the info that's come out I would guess our draft board looked something like this: 1) Josh Allen 2) Sam Darnold 3) Bradley Chubb 4) Quinton Nelson 5) Roquon Smith 6) Tremaine Edmunds
The Jokeman Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 14 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: I think it also comes down to Beane and McDermott being much more thorough and calculating, and Maccagnan being a bit more reckless. We also have to remember that the Jets GM/HC are probably on a short leash right now as they haven't produced much since their first season (2015) so they have to go more "all in". Whereas Beane etc made the playoffs last season and would say are safe for the next three seasons. 1
Saxum Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 15 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said: Most all else you get is just the same Sully or Bucky half day of typing about some trivial rant or insult or opinion. This is why I will refuse to pay any amount to Buffalo News - I believe that my contribution will help Sully and Bucky remain employed and it the opinion of my bank account to never fund something you hate. Separate Sully and Bucky opinions (neither do actually reporting) into a subdomain and see how many pay for their drivel. 1
DefenseWins Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 The only part of all this that makes little sense to me is WTH did Cleveland take Ward instead of Chubb? Yeah, I know "because after all - they're Cleveland"... I guess Cleveland didn't pay much attention to the fact that the Bills were able to draft a quality CB last year so late in the 1st round. I really think they will come to regret NOT drafting Chubb. Also, all I have heard is that Cleveland liked both Mayfield and Allen at #1. So basically nobody really was thrilled with Rosen. Even Arizona valued Allen over Rosen. I wonder if it was the concussions or the shoulder injury mentioned earlier in this thread or his attitude displayed in pre-draft visits... I still think that barring injury all 4 QB's will have solid careers... We'll see how things pan out...
The Now Moment Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 19 hours ago, mannc said: I’m not saying I’m unhappy with what we got, but if the Bills do that trade with Denver, they end up with two more premium picks in the draft: pick 65 and Denver’s third, while effectively swapping 22 for 56. I'd much rather have it this way. Third round picks are far from premium picks. We got widely regarded top ten player in the draft at a major position of need because we kept the 22nd pick. That is way more valuable than a couple of picks later in the draft IMO. 1
transplantbillsfan Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 21 hours ago, HappyDays said: This is a fantastic article: http://buffalonews.com/2018/05/04/inside-the-bills-gm-brandon-beane-breaks-down-how-he-traded-up-twice-in-first-round-of-nfl-draft/?utm_campaign=puma&utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1525465869 I see now it's behind a paywall. I was able to read it a few minutes ago and now I can't. If someone can copy and paste it that would be helpful. Awesome article. I read it right away so I wouldn't lose the opportunity to. Beane sounds legitimately like he was super excited about this draft, even though I think it's clear he had Darnold ranked ahead of Allen, but I think Allen was his #2 and wasn't all that far behind. Just a guess, though. One quote I thought was really interesting: “I think what's come with social media and all the draft coverage is that all the stats get plastered out there,” he said. “I said it on the radio show the other day ... one of the guys said something about Josh Allen being raw. I went into a thing like, raw came from a national pundit. They labeled these guys as different things. Some of them I agreed with, some of them I did not.” I don't think Beane really views Allen as all that raw and it seems to indicate there's a strong possibility he starts pretty quickly, if not immediately.
mannc Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buffalo30 said: I'd much rather have it this way. Third round picks are far from premium picks. We got widely regarded top ten player in the draft at a major position of need because we kept the 22nd pick. That is way more valuable than a couple of picks later in the draft IMO. If Edmunds becomes a star, you’re probably right, but if the Denver trade happens, then instead of Edmunds, we get picks 56, 65 and either 71 or 99 (article does not say which of Denver’s 3ds we would get back). That’s a substantial haul and despite what you might think, those are considered premium picks. No way to know who the Bills would have taken of course, but IMO, the Bills would have made out just as well if they had traded up to 5 for Allen. Edited May 5, 2018 by mannc
BigDingus Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 18 hours ago, Logic said: It is an absolute MIRACLE that the Bills got to use both 1st round picks, landed a quarterback AND Tremaine Edmunds, AND somehow also did not give up any of next year's picks. All because the Browns took Denzel Ward. What a crazy league. By the way...as good as I feel about the direction of the Bills this offseason...Think about NEXT offseason! They have about $90 million in cap space, their full complement of draft picks, and you KNOW they'll be looking to surround Allen with talent. Exciting times. It's exciting but scary at the same time. On one hand, if Allen shows some real promise this year then it'll be awesome going into next offseason with all that cap space. On the other hand, if he shows JP Losman/EJ Manuel "potential," that cap space could bite us in the ***. GM's usually don't want to accept they made a bad pick, and will likely double down the following year citing the need to "surround with talent" in order for the QB to succeed. Then they waste big money and draft picks on skill position players that can't elevate the QB, and set us back years to come. We could go all in on the next Lee Evans or Sammy Watkins, make splashes in Free Agency, trade pieces to beef up the defense, etc. but if the QB doesn't show actual growth, it might be all for nothing.
The Now Moment Posted May 5, 2018 Posted May 5, 2018 2 hours ago, mannc said: If Edmunds becomes a star, you’re probably right, but if the Denver trade happens, then instead of Edmunds, we get picks 56, 65 and either 71 or 99 (article does not say which of Denver’s 3ds we would get back). That’s a substantial haul and despite what you might think, those are considered premium picks. No way to know who the Bills would have taken of course, but IMO, the Bills would have made out just as well if they had traded up to 5 for Allen. I just ran the numbers on the draft pick value chart and 16 is worth 1000 and 56, 65 and 71 added up to 840. I get that it's three players but I think you are underestimating how valuable a mid to high first round pick is worth. Edmunds was considered a top 10 player at a need position. You could probably even add more value to that 1000 because of who we got. They made the right move.
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