Wayne Arnold Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: To claim there are no experts who rated Allen highly is just weird The nerd experts - aka the bloggers and tweeters who never watch football but gather all of the statistics and think they mean something.
Ralonzo Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 4 hours ago, JoeF said: We need to bring in Crash Davis to coach Josh Allen...... Hey Josh-- hit the Nose Tackle in the balls... Split right, all curl, on one
Buff the Cat Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 3 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: Of course I want to get it right. I get it man. I was all in on Darnold and Rosen, and was upset when Allen's name was called. But what can I do? They didn't ask me before they picked him. If Allen fails, I doubt they will ask me before they pick the next QB. So I'll just go along for the ride like I always do. But in the mean time... I like having hope. I am not just just going to assume that Allen is already a bust before he's even thrown a single pass in a Bills uniform, and be miserable for the next few years. That seems absolutely pointless to me. Instead, I am going to try my best to find reasons to be hopeful until proven otherwise. But that's just me. I choose to be positive until given very good reason to be negative. And if/when that negative thing happens I'll get over it and try to find more reasons to be positive again. It has nothing to do with blind faith and treating the Bills like a religion. It has to do with not wanting to be a constantly negative and misaeable person (not saying you are). And it has to do with wanting to be hopeful for my hometown team that I love. What's the point in even being a sports fan if you can't have hope? We dont control any of this stuff. We are just fans. Me personally, I'd rather try to find the good things about Allen and try to spread hope to my fellow Bills fans. This is how I see my favorite team. I hope for the best and see what happens, and most importantly "stay positive". I agree with your post and hope we found the QB we need. I cheer for my beloved Bills, but I don't let it ruin my life if they underperform. 1
hondo in seattle Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 5 hours ago, Fadingpain said: From earlier today on GR-55. On Allen: "I had him as a third round pick, my 90th player on the board, so I was very much a Josh Allen skeptic and nothing's changed. Two major concerns: processing skills/reading coverage and footwork skills impacting his accuracy. Those are 2 areas of concern that not a lot of quarterbacks have had success overcoming." http://www.wgr550.com/media/audio-channel/5-3-joe-marino-discusses-bills-and-nfl-draft-schopp-and-bulldog I just have a couple questions... When we've heard analysis from so many more qualified analysts than Joe Marino, doesn't anybody care what he says? And do we really need yet another thread about what someone said about Josh Allen's pro prospects? We all get it. He has flaws in his game that he may or may not overcome.
Heavy Kevi Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 17 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: I just have a couple questions... When we've heard analysis from so many more qualified analysts than Joe Marino, doesn't anybody care what he says? And do we really need yet another thread about what someone said about Josh Allen's pro prospects? We all get it. He has flaws in his game that he may or may not overcome. We have a hole in our hearts the shape of a franchise QB, and we keep trying to shove other QBs in that hole but they don't fit. Not until we get one that truly fits the hole will we stop fighting about it. In the meantime, we had a gaping hole of at least 6 threads a day fighting about Tyrod, and somehow our FO managed to find a QB even more polarizing so here we are. 1
Bills Pimpin' Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 6 hours ago, Fadingpain said: From earlier today on GR-55. On Allen: "I had him as a third round pick, my 90th player on the board, so I was very much a Josh Allen skeptic and nothing's changed. Two major concerns: processing skills/reading coverage and footwork skills impacting his accuracy. Those are 2 areas of concern that not a lot of quarterbacks have had success overcoming." http://www.wgr550.com/media/audio-channel/5-3-joe-marino-discusses-bills-and-nfl-draft-schopp-and-bulldog "3rd round pick" ?????
Doc Brown Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 18 minutes ago, Shotgunner said: We have a hole in our hearts the shape of a franchise QB, and we keep trying to shove other QBs in that hole but they don't fit. Not until we get one that truly fits the hole will we stop fighting about it. In the meantime, we had a gaping hole of at least 6 threads a day fighting about Tyrod, and somehow our FO managed to find a QB even more polarizing so here we are. When quarterback is the most important position in the game, that player will always be the most polarizing until they prove themselves. If it was Baker we'd be concerned about his short height and maturity questions. If it was Rosen we'd be concerned about his perceived aloofness and arrogance along with his injury history. If it was Darnold we'd be concerned over his turnover history, the long history of busts at USC, and the fact that he doesn't have a sole. I think Allen will be a bust, but I'm done complaining about the pick and will just hope I'm wrong.
atlbillsfan1975 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 7 hours ago, Dr. Who said: The crusading of the OP is tendentious, employing ridiculous hyperbole to cast a wet blanket. Plenty of respected football minds think Allen has a chance to be very good and most acknowledge that he has a fairly exceptional skill set that needs development. Good to know about the OP. anyone watching Allen can see he is already better than Tyrod at reading a defense. Allen also throws to players being open not waiting till open, another wonderful Tyrod trait we have been subjected too. Allen will need time to develop, but he is already a better quarterback than Tyrod is and Tyrod has maxed out his talents. 1
Ol Dirty B Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 6 hours ago, BuffaloRush said: Joe Marino is not exactly the Dan Marino of draft analysts. Are we going to ignore the fact that he works for a second rate website like FanRag sports? Why do you keep insisting on calling it second rate? It's pretty annoying, I don't know why you think you know anything about working in the media, especially sports media. People do it for free, as a hobby. To get paid to do it is a feat in itself and all I do is come on here and see you talking down about professionals. It's tiring. At this point it's fair to ask, what the !@#$ have you ever done in sports media to make you a worthy critic? 1
Klaista2k Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 I'm not trying to be negative about Allen, but I honestly can't believe we drafted him. Why does Buffalo seem to never get quarterback right?
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, zonabb said: The problem with draft analysis is draft analysis. The internet has turned every loser in his mom's basement into a self proclaimed draft analyst. The internet gives everyone regardless of skills and qualifications a voice, this forum being a prime example, yours truly included. But I honesty, and this is not hyperbole, thought "WTF is Joe Marino?" I have honestly never heard of the guy, which could be on me. Then I see the website and ask "WTF is fanrag?" And so for me, I won't even read it or give it any credibility and I am an Allen skeptic myself. But when you grade the guy as a 3rd, you're a moron. I'm no expert and I've watched tape on this kid, he's not the 90th rated player in this draft. Schoop is a big fan of Marino. That’s all you need to know. Edited May 4, 2018 by joesixpack 1 1
Ayjent Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 3 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Good to know about the OP. anyone watching Allen can see he is already better than Tyrod at reading a defense. Allen also throws to players being open not waiting till open, another wonderful Tyrod trait we have been subjected too. Allen will need time to develop, but he is already a better quarterback than Tyrod is and Tyrod has maxed out his talents. I think you are underselling Tyrod and overselling Allen. Actually, they may be more similar in terms of timing and anticipation on throws than we all may like. The difference being Tyrod wouldn’t throw a bad out route late, and that was one of Allen’s most troubling bad habits in college. I know the Bills got a 3rd round pick and saved salary, but I still think having Tyrod was a better plan than 3 inexperienced guys and a lack of continuity from the playoff run. I don’t think AJ McCarron is the same caliber QB and lacks the all around ability of Tyrod. I just don’t understand getting rid of a serviceable starter until someone unseats him because of undeniable talent. The Bills have done this before, and it didn’t work out. I understand different players, different coaches and different FO. But same error - the team is likely to take a big step backwards this year and it will be because of the offense.
All_Pro_Bills Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 9 hours ago, zonabb said: The problem with draft analysis is draft analysis. The internet has turned every loser in his mom's basement into a self proclaimed draft analyst. The internet gives everyone regardless of skills and qualifications a voice, this forum being a prime example, yours truly included. But I honesty, and this is not hyperbole, thought "WTF is Joe Marino?" I have honestly never heard of the guy, which could be on me. Then I see the website and ask "WTF is fanrag?" And so for me, I won't even read it or give it any credibility and I am an Allen skeptic myself. But when you grade the guy as a 3rd, you're a moron. I'm no expert and I've watched tape on this kid, he's not the 90th rated player in this draft. Everybody has access to a lot more data and what might be called 'information' but the majority, including myself, have never had any actual face-to-face human contact with any of the QB prospects much less had the opportunity to interview and work them out from a professional perspective. I think it was Bill Parcells that said these 'draft experts' are not talent evaluators but rather information gatherers. Also, I get a laugh whenever somebody states they've watched all the game film and video on Allen. I think back to when Galisano owned the Sabres and he decided to cut expenses and fired their European scouting staff, replacing them with video scouting. For some reason that was a complete flop.
davspo Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 "Fan Rag sports". - he must be one hell of a good evaluator 1
JMF2006 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, Sky Diver said: FanRag Sports? Is he a certified draft analyst, or a certifiable draft analyst? I think he must be smarter than all the known evaluaters/scouts and experts who work for the NFL/Teams and Major Sports Networks. Fanrag is a well recognized name in ladies rooms at all major sporting venues BTW GR55 looks for some hack with the worst rating possible on the kid to drive their BS crap. The Bills didn't take/ like Rosen so they are wrong time will tell. Edited May 4, 2018 by JMF2006
Mike in Syracuse Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, Fadingpain said: From earlier today on GR-55. On Allen: "I had him as a third round pick, my 90th player on the board, so I was very much a Josh Allen skeptic and nothing's changed. Two major concerns: processing skills/reading coverage and footwork skills impacting his accuracy. Those are 2 areas of concern that not a lot of quarterbacks have had success overcoming." http://www.wgr550.com/media/audio-channel/5-3-joe-marino-discusses-bills-and-nfl-draft-schopp-and-bulldog The contention that a guy with a 37 Wonderlic can't read a defense is absurd. Almost as absurd as the suggestion that footwork can't be improved. If accuracy statistics were a lead indicator Colt McCoy would be Tom Brady. Edited May 4, 2018 by Mike in Syracuse
JMF2006 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mike in Syracuse said: The contention that a guy with a 37 Wonderlic can't read a defense is absurd. Almost as absurd as the suggestion that footwork can't be improved. Some people really have a hate on for this kid its almost irrational. Lets hope he proves them all wrong and re writes the Bills record book.
Sky Diver Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Mike in Syracuse said: The contention that a guy with a 37 Wonderlic can't read a defense is absurd. Almost as absurd as the suggestion that footwork can't be improved. The BS about Allen is mind numbing. I think it's all coming from the Rosen fanboys. Anything good about Allen is a slap to Rosen, for some reason. Edited May 4, 2018 by Sky Diver
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