Magox Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 10 hours ago, OJABBA said: Local LA radio on Rosen..."Before the draft, whenever we asked someone who dealt with him personally, what they thought of Josh Rosen, they gave us "the look". We just kept getting 'the look' from all these different people." Even his coach couldn't give him a full-throated endorsement. Just think about that for a second.
Prickly Pete Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Magox said: Even his coach couldn't give him a full-throated endorsement. Just think about that for a second. Yeah, but as someone else noted, Jim Mora is a pretty big jerk. I brought this up long ago, Petros and Money in LA have mentioned big name LA players in the past as being difficult, or bad guys, or spoiled jerks, like Reggie Bush and Matt Leinart, and have been proven accurate or "informed". Even guys on their staff stepped up to the mic to make their feelings about Rosen known. Like, people were angry. These discussions were popping up every now and then, building up during draft week (before and after). They consider him talented, and discussed it pretty in depth, playing "devil's advocate" and trying to discuss Rosen's positives, but it always came back to "over and over, we just get "the look" from all these different people". And hat he seems to be an injury risk. And the idea that leadership positions, injuries, and a difficult, individualistic personality don't usually blend well. Edited May 4, 2018 by OJABBA
GunnerBill Posted May 4, 2018 Author Posted May 4, 2018 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: They really did. It’s worth noting. Plus we as fans and the media doesn’t have access to the type of info that teams do, so that’s likely part of what happened there. Bill Polian said there is about 50% more info available to the teams than would ever be know publically. Clearly Arizona felt good enough to move up for him so he did ok at 10. My question is why Cleveland, NYG, Jets, Broncos, Bills passed. And it may be that there is something there that is really worth giving pause for thought. My suspicion though? That in a league filled with conservative coaches and owners who bang on to a tiresome degree about faith... a liberal, agnostic kid just did not appear their type of person. They want someone who is going to get drafted, talk about being blessed and thank God. Now of course there might be more to it than that. 1
Sky Diver Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is what Gunner Bill actually said: " It means that they did not look at Josh Allen's tape and think "that's better than Rosen's" which reassures me somewhat for the long term. " Where in there did he say anything about the Bills didn't think Allen was a good QB based on watching his film? He said they didn't look at Allen's tape and think Allen tape >> Rosen tape. That's not even in the same zip code with "didn't think Allen was a good QB based on film" They might be, they might not be, but if you don't read what people write and process their meaning correctly, it's a puzzle how that could logically be concluded. It was a poorly written sentence, but my interpretation was that he’s reassured because he thinks the Bills didn’t come to the conclusion that Allen was better than Rosen based on film, but they chose Allen based on other factors. Are you Gunner Bill’s spokesmouth? Edited May 4, 2018 by Sky Diver
GunnerBill Posted May 4, 2018 Author Posted May 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: It was a poorly written sentence, but my interpretation was that he’s reassured because he thinks the Bills didn’t come to the conclusion that Allen was better than Rosen based on film, but they chose Allen based on other factors. Are you Gunner Bill’s spokesmouth? Hahahahaha. You criticising my English?? I am done here.
Sky Diver Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Hahahahaha. You criticising my English?? I am done here. Perhaps you can clarify what you were trying to say. It wasn’t clear.
YoloinOhio Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 5 hours ago, Manther said: IF this is true when Darnold went at #3 the Bills let their only top tier QB left on their board sit there at 4, 5, 6. So, they were willing to take their second tier QB and wait and hope Allen wasn’t pick. Not necessarily going to get their guy. But, did got put them with striking distance to get one of their top 2 QBs. Intersting and plausible. It sounded like they wanted to get to 4, 5 and 6 but those teams refused to trade. They didn’t purposely chance it. 2
habes1280 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 21 hours ago, ddaryl said: Baker Mayfield being off the board screams what I already have figured out. We are going to be Carolina Panthers north. Baker can't run a similiar offense that Cam is running. I believe the bills didn't rate him low they just couldn't design an offense for Mayfield because they do not know how or feel condfident they could, so off the baord he went This makes me a little nerovous because it kinda saying to me, that our coaches don't have that much ability to design a offense around different styes of QB's. I would like to feel confident that our OC and McD could go any direction whenver they need to but ob vioulsy this is not the case You might be right, but I don't see the Bills trying to duplicate the Carolina offense. Dennison, by and large, had control over the design of the offense last year-- which was nearly identical to the offense he ran in Denver, and which didn't resemble, in scheme, pace, or execution, Carolina's offense. I'm hoping the same will be true of Daboll (who, I also hope, has a better understanding of his personnel, and is more willing to design an offense to suit their strengths). I get the impression that McDermott may want an OC who matches what he wants philosophically from the offense. And he may target players whose skill sets match those philosophies—a power running game, a strong intermediate passing game, etc.—but at least to this point, he seems to have left the design of the offense to his OCs, who, to this point, have shown no interest in duplicating Carolina's schemes. Let's keep our fingers crossed. There's reason to hope—or to Billieve—that there's a better method to the madness than you fear. 1
JMF2006 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 21 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: So the quarterback our team considered to be the best in the draft now plays in our division for the next 20 years. It's not like he is a sure thing.......he played at USC.....loves to fumble.....throws as many pics as TD's and has a Cro-Magnon forehead(or should I say 5 head) He might be Butt Fumble V2
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Sky Diver said: It was a poorly written sentence, but my interpretation was that he’s reassured because he thinks the Bills didn’t come to the conclusion that Allen was better than Rosen based on film, but they chose Allen based on other factors. Are you Gunner Bill’s spokesmouth? The above is a correct interpretation IMO. Can you see how what you responded "the Bills didn't think Allen was a good QB based on watching his film" does not follow from the correct intepretation above? A team can think "Rosen on film >> Allen on film" AND think Allen is a good QB - just not as polished in what you see on film at the present in terms of passing technique and football decision-making. When you post, everyone else here has the option to give their perspective on what they see posted and how they understand it. That is not being someone's "spokesmouth"
Chuck Wagon Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: It sounded like they wanted to get to 4, 5 and 6 but those teams refused to trade. They didn’t purposely chance it. Basically the Browns did a Browns thing at 4, then Denver and Indy at 5 & 6 got guys they never thought they could get. I'd have to believe the Browns could have dropped back to 12 and still ended up with Ward rather easily, given how many picks they have to go back up. I don't think Denver & Indy pass on Chubb / Nelson. Tampa traded. They did go corner at 53 & 63 so maybe they just take Ward, or maybe not, still taking the highest corner drafted in nearly 20 years over Chubb and a "QB" trade package, no pressure or anything Denzel. 1
YoloinOhio Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Basically the Browns did a Browns thing at 4, then Denver and Indy at 5 & 6 got guys they never thought they could get. I'd have to believe the Browns could have dropped back to 12 and still ended up with Ward rather easily, given how many picks they have to go back up. I don't think Denver & Indy pass on Chubb / Nelson. Tampa traded. They did go corner at 53 & 63 so maybe they just take Ward, or maybe not, still taking the highest corner drafted in nearly 20 years over Chubb and a "QB" trade package, no pressure or anything Denzel. The Browns took two midgets in the top 4. Bold move, cotton. 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 8 hours ago, Manther said: IF this is true when Darnold went at #3 the Bills let their only top tier QB left on their board sit there at 4, 5, 6. So, they were willing to take their second tier QB and wait and hope Allen wasn’t pick. Not necessarily going to get their guy. But, did got put them with striking distance to get one of their top 2 QBs. Intersting and plausible. That's only true if the Bills didn't attempt to trade, or made a trade offer but wouldn't up the ante. If the reports are correct that the Bills had the structure of a deal in place with Denver, but Denver said "not trading, staying put" and ditto Colts, then the only one where we could (potentially) have been scooped is with the Browns, and they may have tried there too.
Sky Diver Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The above is a correct interpretation IMO. Can you see how what you responded "the Bills didn't think Allen was a good QB based on watching his film" does not follow from the correct intepretation above? A team can think "Rosen on film >> Allen on film" AND think Allen is a good QB - just not as polished in what you see on film at the present in terms of passing technique and football decision-making. When you post, everyone else here has the option to give their perspective on what they see posted and how they understand it. That is not being someone's "spokesmouth" Amended below. "the Bills didn't think Allen was a good QB compared to Rosen based on watching his film". I don't think that's true. I watched the 2nd half of the UCLA vs Texas A&M game before I knew anything about Rosen and I was unimpressed. He had one ball that went right thew a A&M defenders hands for a TD. He had passes that he heaved into traffic that should have been intercepted. It wasn't that Rosen was good, the A&M defense was terrible. When he opens his open his mouth that's all the more reason to dislike him. I wish Rosen well in Arizona. I'm just glad the Bills didn't draft him. He's old news. Edited May 4, 2018 by Sky Diver
K-9 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 I'm skeptical about them being off the board vs. lower ranked than others. If Darnold and Allen were both gone after pick 3, I have a hard time believing we wouldn't have made a deal to secure one of Mayfield or Rosen like we did Allen. Beane was coming out of this draft with a legitimate QB prospect come hell or high water. 1
Stank_Nasty Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Sky Diver said: It was a poorly written sentence, but my interpretation was that he’s reassured because he thinks the Bills didn’t come to the conclusion that Allen was better than Rosen based on film, but they chose Allen based on other factors. Are you Gunner Bill’s spokesmouth? that's what I got out of it too. and I found it fairly presumptuous on gunners part.... the bills very easily could have still liked allens tape better .... in which case the bills FO apparently has no clue and gunner again thinks the FO doomed itself with this pick. Edited May 4, 2018 by Stank_Nasty
Sky Diver Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 25 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: that's what I got out of it too. and I found it fairly presumptuous on gunners part.... the bills very easily could have still liked allens tape better .... in which case the bills FO apparently has no clue and gunner again thinks the FO doomed itself with this pick. I guess he's a Rosen guy and doesn't like the Allen pick, but he said it an obtuse way and gave the Bills a backhanded compliment of sorts.
Stank_Nasty Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: I guess he's a Rosen guy and doesn't like the Allen pick, but he said it an obtuse way and gave the Bills a backhanded compliment of sorts. right. I agree
Sky Diver Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: right. I agree Thanks. I' guess I'm not completely crazy. Anyway, the decision has been made, like it or not.
Chicken Boo Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 16 hours ago, Yeezus said: Baker Mayfield is going to make every scout/GM/analyst look like a complete dumbass this season and I can't wait rooting for the kid. We'll see, won't we? I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum and now that the Browns have selected him, he's all but doomed to fail.
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