C.Biscuit97 Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 58 minutes ago, eball said: Very interesting. We'll see what happens. As an aside, I was talking with a buddy who is a big USC fan and he was much more down on Darnold than I expected. Said he's your typical laid-back CA kid and while he has all of the physical ability he's also a "happy-go-lucky" kind of guy and he's not sure he has the competitive fire to lead an NFL team. It was a perspective I hadn't heard previously; if true, NYC will eat him alive. You pretty much described Eli.
BillsGuru4 Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Okay... so I don't really go in for inside sources type gossip but I got told something yesterday, 3rd hand by someone whose route tree for the information seemed to be legit. I know him from a couple of NFLUK events I have attended and he used to coach (position coach only) in the league. I won't say more than that. His information confirmed to me the suspicion that I think many on this board have had about the Bills Quarterback draft board. They had two Quarterback prospects with top 10 grades and a third who they would have considered with a later first round selection. Those two were, in order: 1. Sam Darnold 2. Josh Allen The third was Mason Rudolph. He claimed that neither Josh Rosen, nor Baker Mayfield were on the Bills' draft board at all. Both had been removed due to off the field concerns and neither were under consideration as a potential Buffalo Bill. The Bills allegedly had a mid round grade on Lamar Jackson and he wasn't their 4th Quarterback (though he did not say who was). The information actually makes me feel a little better about the Josh Allen pick and their ability to evaluate. The have access to infinitely more sources of personal information about these kids than I or any other fan and obviously decided that Rosen and Mayfield did not fit what they wanted from a culture point of view. I like Rosen's personality from what I have seen and think the criticism for his public persona is total hogwash. But the Bills have the opportunity to go deeper into his circle in a way I never could. It means that they did not look at Josh Allen's tape and think "that's better than Rosen's" which reassures me somewhat for the long term. It doesn't make me believe Allen is any more likely to work out than I thought before.... but it does at least make me believe that they probably made the only choice they thought was available to them. Here is hoping it works out. Darnold and Allen were my top two the whole time and I’m thrilled to have Allen. Not too excited about the jets getting darnold though 1
ProcessAccepted Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 55 minutes ago, eball said: Very interesting. We'll see what happens. As an aside, I was talking with a buddy who is a big USC fan and he was much more down on Darnold than I expected. Said he's your typical laid-back CA kid and while he has all of the physical ability he's also a "happy-go-lucky" kind of guy and he's not sure he has the competitive fire to lead an NFL team. It was a perspective I hadn't heard previously; if true, NYC will eat him alive. I hope so but Eli has manage to survive and somehow collect a couple of rings. Maybe the Jets fans will turn on him for being boring, they're not the most rational fan base in the league
PromoTheRobot Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 55 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: It makes sense. Whether it's true or not, it makes sense. I know so many people wanted Rosen but did they really take into consideration his fit for this team? Attitude questionable at times and he's got some red flag injuries, especially for a team that plays in cold weather a lot. Mayfield had his fair share of off the field stuff that didn't happen when he was 16 but happened throughout his college career. Fans just look at stats and the highlight reels and make their choice of who they want. Wouldn't be shocked if this was true. I don't get why Rosen's concussion history is not more troubling to people. He's one big hit away from potentially being done. 2
starrymessenger Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 I have no problem with the Bills favouring Allen over Mayfield or Rosen after a careful comparison of the skill sets. And we already know that Allen has the highest ceiling. I'm prepared to credit and respect their professional opinion. Both Mayfield and Rosen have hurdles to overcome if they are to be successful, as do any rookie QBs. But if these two guys were taken off the board for reasons related to their "intangibles" (or perceived lack thereof) I can't say that I would agree with the decision unless the Bills know a good deal more about them than is available for public consumption. Both guys may have "personalities" that may at times make them more difficult to work with but TBH at the end of the day I saw all the QB prospects this year as good people serious about their craft - no Ryan's or Jamarcuses. If I thought that Mayfield or Rosen had a better chance of succeeding on the field than the others I would not have taken them off the board because of their personalities. I understand "character" to always be a legitimate and vital concern, but it seems to me that an organization that better knows how to deal with and manage different "personalities" has access to a broader talent pool and a better chance of succeeding. 1
Lurker Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, JohnC said: The coach was smart enough to realize that he wouldn't be comfortable with Rosen in his room and Rosen wouldn't be comfortable being in the room. The best way to deal with a problem is avoid it. Sadly, I agree with this. Sad, because I think Rosen has the talent to be something special. And we've watched countless Bills teams pass up talent over the years because of coaching philosophies that ultimately didn't get the job done. Maybe McD will break that pattern and Allen will be the next Jim Kelly/Cam Newton. I hope so. But McBeane's legacy will always be linked to how their decision plays out...
Aussie Joe Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: No Mayfield or Rosen on the board - really. Both must have been too accurate as passers, no challenge there. Yeah I’m not buying this one... I can’t believe If they missed out on Allen than they aren’t trying to get Rosen and plan B is reaching 2 rounds to take Rudolph at 22..
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 I hate that they allowed the Jets to get Darnold. I can't get over it, probably won't all offseason.
Coach Tuesday Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 I bet "taken off their board" is not the right phrasing - I HIGHLY doubt that Rosen and Mayfield were categorically removed from the Bills' draft board, but I wouldn't be surprised if they had other, non-QB players ranked higher at 12 and perhaps even 22.
mannc Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 Just now, Coach Tuesday said: I bet "taken off their board" is not the right phrasing - I HIGHLY doubt that Rosen and Mayfield were categorically removed from the Bills' draft board, but I wouldn't be surprised if they had other, non-QB players ranked higher at 12 and perhaps even 22. I agree. If the Cards had traded up for Allen, and Rosen was still on the board at 12, there’s no way Beane passes on him. In fact, I’m pretty sure he trades with the raiders to take him at 10.
billieve420 Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 48 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: After the draft no reason to lie. He said absolutely Rosen was considered when asked. So yep debunks the entire Rosen was OFF THEIR Board Well of course there is a reason to lie they don't want to make the kid look bad in public. Beane/McDermott look to avoid controversy and keep things as vanilla as possible. So it is not a surprise. Bills got their guy no reason to even discuss the other QBs at this point in their eyes. 1
White Linen Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 40 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: The GM wouldn't need to lie once the draft is over and he had his pick of both QB's I wouldn't call it lying but all GM's are overly considerate when asked why they didn't draft another player they could have. It lends to not knowing their actual feelings about the player. 1
NastyNateSoldiers Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 48 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: IDK man. If Daboll brought his Bama offense here, Mayfield would be a great pick. I think that they are not going to run a "Bama college, flash in the pan offense. "That is what Mayfield is going to need. I think they want to run a real, big boy, NFL offense and that is why Allen makes sense more than Mayfield. NFL is headed for a showdown of philosophies on one side we got the old traditionalists on the other the new age analytical approach were there using there players to there strengths . Traditional is not bad considering its basically won most if not all the titles . But is that about to change? we just seen Philly knock the old champion out!. The Bills & McBeane are definitely looking like there on the traditional side of things . This offseason has been basically about stopping the run and strengthening the middle or our D. On Offense we took the perfect traditional QB the big pocket passer that can throw a ball a mile. We are definitely going against the grain because the game is moving towards a quick tempo quick horizontal passing gm. So we will see if the big boy offensive approach works. 2
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 12 minutes ago, billieve420 said: Well of course there is a reason to lie they don't want to make the kid look bad in public. Beane/McDermott look to avoid controversy and keep things as vanilla as possible. So it is not a surprise. Bills got their guy no reason to even discuss the other QBs at this point in their eyes. Which in my view gives them about 1000x more class than Cleveland. If you got your guy why did on others?
eball Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 26 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: You pretty much described Eli. Did I? Eli is a laid back CA kid? Here's one comment I found from Eli's draft profile in about 15 seconds of looking: Tough under pressure, standing tall and taking shots until he can find his target...Outstanding competitor who is a leader by example.
MrEpsYtown Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 1 minute ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: NFL is headed for a showdown of philosophies on one side we got the old traditionalists on the other the new age analytical approach were there using there players to there strengths . Traditional is not bad considering its basically won most if not all the titles . But is that about to change? we just seen Philly knock the old champion out!. The Bills & McBeane are definitely looking like there on the traditional side of things . This offseason has been basically about stopping the run and strengthening the middle or our D. On Offense we took the perfect traditional QB the big pocket passer that can throw a ball a mile. We are definitely going against the grain because the game is moving towards a quick tempo quick horizontal passing gm. So we will see if the big boy offensive approach works. I just don't love the horizontal passing game in the NFL. Guys on defense are just too damn fast. All those quick screens and RPOs just will not work when defensive coordinators get caught up. I still think you need to win the traditional way, run the ball, stop the run, stretch the field vertically, create turnovers, sack the quarterback. Stretching the defense vertically is a way to beat the speed on defense, if my guy can throw it far. Stretching the defense horizontally is very limited because the sideline acts as a barrier, defenses are too fast. Just my opinion, but I'm a traditionalist in that way. I think the entire game is built on the idea of getting to the end zone gaining yards in a north-south way. Otherwise, they would have built the field differently.
GunnerBill Posted May 3, 2018 Author Posted May 3, 2018 33 minutes ago, JohnC said: Gunner, What's the big surprise? I don't know that it is a huge surprise. I simply repeat what he told me.
LABILLBACKER Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said: So the quarterback our team considered to be the best in the draft now plays in our division for the next 20 years. Exactly, just when we're about to say good riddens to Brady, along comes Darnold to the Jets....unbelievable!
BillsFan17 Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 28 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I don't get why Rosen's concussion history is not more troubling to people. He's one big hit away from potentially being done. You dont know that for sure, moreover, Allen had broken the same collar bone twice. Also had a shoulder injury that forced him to miss time this very season. Mayfield habs concussion among other injuries dating back to Texas Tech. None of these kids were uber clean specs. They all came with some sort of flag. However, to act like we know the medicals is far fetched. Especially when we have people like Tom Brady who apparently has hidden his concussion problems.
Domdab99 Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 BS If it's true, we have idiots running the organization. 2
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