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  On 5/3/2018 at 10:27 PM, TPS said:

This shouldn’t be surprising at all. Over the past 3-4 months, Any number of people on this board questioned mayfield’s personality fit and Rosen’s durability fit. 

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What's interesting is Mayfield went 1, and the Browns (allegedly) never thought of taking Allen.  There are some huge evaluation gaps team-to-team on the top QBs it seems.   

 

I'll check back in 3 years...

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Okay... so I don't really go in for inside sources type gossip but I got told something yesterday, 3rd hand by someone whose route tree for the information seemed to be legit. I know him from a couple

Wayne Arnold
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So the quarterback our team considered to be the best in the draft now plays in our division for the next 20 years.   

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Good lord. Want a box of godiva and some red wine?   Edit: was meant for @Wayne Arnold

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  On 5/4/2018 at 12:12 AM, stony said:

What's interesting is Mayfield went 1, and the Browns (allegedly) never thought of taking Allen.  There are some huge evaluation gaps team-to-team on the top QBs it seems.   

 

I'll check back in 3 years...

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Yep, it's going to be awhile be this gets settled...

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  On 5/4/2018 at 12:02 AM, Sky Diver said:

It reassures you that the Bills didn’t think Allen was a good QB based on watching his film?

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This is what Gunner Bill actually said: " It means that they did not look at Josh Allen's tape and think "that's better than Rosen's" which reassures me somewhat for the long term. "

 

Where in there did he say anything about the Bills didn't think Allen was a good QB based on watching his film?  He said they didn't look at Allen's tape and think Allen tape >> Rosen tape.  That's not even in the same zip code with "didn't think Allen was a good QB based on film"

 

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The Rosen fanboys are really over the top.

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They might be, they might not be, but if you don't read what people write and process their meaning correctly, it's a puzzle how that could logically be concluded.

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  On 5/4/2018 at 1:26 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

They might be, they might not be, but if you don't read what people write and process their meaning correctly, it's a puzzle how that could logically be concluded.

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What is this? Stick to football hap. You sound like a shrink, a bad shrink. 

 

Lay off man. ?

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  On 5/4/2018 at 1:18 AM, BillsFan17 said:

So that ego will be rattled with just one more hit? Just going to pack it all in for the money and ditch the ego?

 

I mean any other cards you wanna pull here?

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It's pretty obvious there isn't anything that would give you pause about Rosen. Oddly most NFL front offices had plenty of pause. Weird, huh?

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  On 5/4/2018 at 3:52 AM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

It's pretty obvious there isn't anything that would give you pause about Rosen. Oddly most NFL front offices had plenty of pause. Weird, huh?

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They really did. It’s worth noting. Plus we as fans and the media doesn’t have access to the type of info that teams do, so that’s likely part of what happened there. Bill Polian said there is about 50% more info available to the teams than would ever be know publically. Clearly Arizona felt good enough to move up for him so he did ok at 10. My question is why Cleveland, NYG, Jets, Broncos, Bills passed. 

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  On 5/3/2018 at 1:27 PM, eball said:

Very interesting.  We'll see what happens.

 

As an aside, I was talking with a buddy who is a big USC fan and he was much more down on Darnold than I expected.  Said he's your typical laid-back CA kid and while he has all of the physical ability he's also a "happy-go-lucky" kind of guy and he's not sure he has the competitive fire to lead an NFL team.  It was a perspective I hadn't heard previously; if true, NYC will eat him alive.

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I don't agree with your buddy.  I've seen a lot of SC games out here.  Darnold is very competitive to my eye; he's just not a demonstrative, rah-rah guy.  In that way he is "laid back" but he couldn't make many of the plays he makes if he weren't ultra competitive.   My issue with Darnold is he is sloppy with the rock.  He will give the ball away and then give the ball away again.   But he will burn a defense too.

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  On 5/3/2018 at 1:28 PM, Magox said:

If you listened to everything that Beane was saying when looking at the sort of QB that he wants to lead this franchise, Darnold and Allen fit more the mold of QB that they are looking for.

 

They may very well end up being wrong on their evaluations but at least they went and got their guy.  You can't ask for anything more than that.

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IF this is true when Darnold went at #3 the Bills let their only top tier QB left on their board sit there at 4, 5, 6.

 

So, they were willing to take their second tier QB and wait and hope Allen wasn’t pick.

 

Not necessarily going to get their guy.  But, did got put them with striking distance to get one of their top 2 QBs.

 

Intersting and plausible.

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Makes sense. Also makes sense that they had a mid round grade in Jackson. That's where he should have gone.

 

Can't believe all the hype Baltimore is getting for trading up to reach for him.

 

Of course I thought Allen should be a 2nd rounder as well. Ultimately I know that I do not know enough about any of these guys. I don't even watch college ball. I only watch a few hours of highlights, breakdowns, and game tape on these guys before the draft.

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I think Allen was the Buffalo Bills #1 QB all along and here is why. Allen has that big frame with powerful arm and he played in the snow, cold and wind at Wyoming.

 

Darnold with his 22 turnovers in 13 games and that wasn't even in cold weather. Rosen with his fragile scrawny frame and Mayfield with his attitude, play style.

 

That said I think the Bills would have had to accept who fell to them out of the top four and I kinda doubt that any of those four would have been off their board. 

 

Who knows what would have happened had the NY Giants actually wanted to trade that #2 pick without asking for that 2019 first. Or any of the other teams willing to let Buffalo trade up other than Tampa. 

 

As it turned out the Bills landed what I think is the perfect fit for the Bills fans to love, a big, tough blue-collar type QB with a cannon for an arm. Get used to seeing frozen ropes! 

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  On 5/3/2018 at 1:30 PM, Buffalo30 said:

 he's got some red flag injuries, especially for a team that plays in cold weather a lot. 

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What?

  On 5/4/2018 at 4:00 AM, YoloinOhio said:

They really did. It’s worth noting. Plus we as fans and the media doesn’t have access to the type of info that teams do, so that’s likely part of what happened there. Bill Polian said there is about 50% more info available to the teams than would ever be know publically. Clearly Arizona felt good enough to move up for him so he did ok at 10. My question is why Cleveland, NYG, Jets, Broncos, Bills passed. 

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Polian sounds like he has dementia when he speaks. He needs to retire.

  On 5/3/2018 at 11:52 PM, Yeezus said:

Baker Mayfield is going to make every scout/GM/analyst look like a complete dumbass this season and I can't wait

 

rooting for the kid. 

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Rooting for him to bust?

 

He went 1 overall and was rumored to be the next team in the QB market top choice at 3. Your post doesn't reflect reality 

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  On 5/4/2018 at 4:00 AM, YoloinOhio said:

They really did. It’s worth noting. Plus we as fans and the media doesn’t have access to the type of info that teams do, so that’s likely part of what happened there. Bill Polian said there is about 50% more info available to the teams than would ever be know publically. Clearly Arizona felt good enough to move up for him so he did ok at 10. My question is why Cleveland, NYG, Jets, Broncos, Bills passed. 

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Or for that matter Miami.  If they really wanted him they could have easily secured him with a trade up.

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