Rumour: Rosen and Mayfield were off the Bills' Board

[stony]

1 hour ago, TPS said:

This shouldn’t be surprising at all. Over the past 3-4 months, Any number of people on this board questioned mayfield’s personality fit and Rosen’s durability fit. 

What's interesting is Mayfield went 1, and the Browns (allegedly) never thought of taking Allen.  There are some huge evaluation gaps team-to-team on the top QBs it seems.   

 

I'll check back in 3 years...

Edited May 4, 2018 by stony

[TPS]

8 minutes ago, stony said:

What's interesting is Mayfield went 1, and the Browns (allegedly) never thought of taking Allen.  There are some huge evaluation gaps team-to-team on the top QBs it seems.   

 

I'll check back in 3 years...

Yep, it's going to be awhile be this gets settled...

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said:

Then why didnt he just say eff it at UCLA while taking a beating there behind that line? Why even enter the NFL draft and put your self in that position to begin with?

Ego?

[BillsFan17]

14 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Ego?

So that ego will be rattled with just one more hit? Just going to pack it all in for the money and ditch the ego?

 

I mean any other cards you wanna pull here?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Sky Diver said:

It reassures you that the Bills didn’t think Allen was a good QB based on watching his film?

 

This is what Gunner Bill actually said: " It means that they did not look at Josh Allen's tape and think "that's better than Rosen's" which reassures me somewhat for the long term. "

 

Where in there did he say anything about the Bills didn't think Allen was a good QB based on watching his film?  He said they didn't look at Allen's tape and think Allen tape >> Rosen tape.  That's not even in the same zip code with "didn't think Allen was a good QB based on film"

 

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The Rosen fanboys are really over the top.

 

They might be, they might not be, but if you don't read what people write and process their meaning correctly, it's a puzzle how that could logically be concluded.

[Carter]

 

13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

They might be, they might not be, but if you don't read what people write and process their meaning correctly, it's a puzzle how that could logically be concluded.

 

What is this? Stick to football hap. You sound like a shrink, a bad shrink. 

 

Lay off man. ?

Edited May 4, 2018 by Carter

[stuvian]

Only Darnold and Allen have the arms to keep defenses honest. Mayfield and Rosen are more dink and dunk.

[JohnC]

12 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

The same is true for any young QB.

The same is true for any old QB. 

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, Yeezus said:

Baker Mayfield is going to make every scout/GM/analyst look like a complete dumbass this season and I can't wait

 

rooting for the kid. 

How so... he went #1. No one passed on him. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Carter said:

What is this? Stick to football hap. You sound like a shrink, a bad shrink. 

 

Lay off man. ?

 

I defer to your apparently superior knowledge of what "shrinks" and "bad shrinks" sound like, but nonetheless, I think I will continue as I am.

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, Yeezus said:

Baker Mayfield is going to make every scout/GM/analyst look like a complete dumbass this season and I can't wait

 

rooting for the kid. 

That fact that you even think this makes me worry for the kid.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, BillsFan17 said:

So that ego will be rattled with just one more hit? Just going to pack it all in for the money and ditch the ego?

 

I mean any other cards you wanna pull here?

 

It's pretty obvious there isn't anything that would give you pause about Rosen. Oddly most NFL front offices had plenty of pause. Weird, huh?

Edited May 4, 2018 by PromoTheRobot

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

It's pretty obvious there isn't anything that would give you pause about Rosen. Oddly most NFL front offices had plenty of pause. Weird, huh?

They really did. It’s worth noting. Plus we as fans and the media doesn’t have access to the type of info that teams do, so that’s likely part of what happened there. Bill Polian said there is about 50% more info available to the teams than would ever be know publically. Clearly Arizona felt good enough to move up for him so he did ok at 10. My question is why Cleveland, NYG, Jets, Broncos, Bills passed. 

[purple haze]

15 hours ago, eball said:

Very interesting.  We'll see what happens.

 

As an aside, I was talking with a buddy who is a big USC fan and he was much more down on Darnold than I expected.  Said he's your typical laid-back CA kid and while he has all of the physical ability he's also a "happy-go-lucky" kind of guy and he's not sure he has the competitive fire to lead an NFL team.  It was a perspective I hadn't heard previously; if true, NYC will eat him alive.

I don't agree with your buddy.  I've seen a lot of SC games out here.  Darnold is very competitive to my eye; he's just not a demonstrative, rah-rah guy.  In that way he is "laid back" but he couldn't make many of the plays he makes if he weren't ultra competitive.   My issue with Darnold is he is sloppy with the rock.  He will give the ball away and then give the ball away again.   But he will burn a defense too.

[Manther]

15 hours ago, Magox said:

If you listened to everything that Beane was saying when looking at the sort of QB that he wants to lead this franchise, Darnold and Allen fit more the mold of QB that they are looking for.

 

They may very well end up being wrong on their evaluations but at least they went and got their guy.  You can't ask for anything more than that.

IF this is true when Darnold went at #3 the Bills let their only top tier QB left on their board sit there at 4, 5, 6.

 

So, they were willing to take their second tier QB and wait and hope Allen wasn’t pick.

 

Not necessarily going to get their guy.  But, did got put them with striking distance to get one of their top 2 QBs.

 

Intersting and plausible.

[MJS]

Makes sense. Also makes sense that they had a mid round grade in Jackson. That's where he should have gone.

 

Can't believe all the hype Baltimore is getting for trading up to reach for him.

 

Of course I thought Allen should be a 2nd rounder as well. Ultimately I know that I do not know enough about any of these guys. I don't even watch college ball. I only watch a few hours of highlights, breakdowns, and game tape on these guys before the draft.

Edited May 4, 2018 by MJS

[Nihilarian]

I think Allen was the Buffalo Bills #1 QB all along and here is why. Allen has that big frame with powerful arm and he played in the snow, cold and wind at Wyoming.

 

Darnold with his 22 turnovers in 13 games and that wasn't even in cold weather. Rosen with his fragile scrawny frame and Mayfield with his attitude, play style.

 

That said I think the Bills would have had to accept who fell to them out of the top four and I kinda doubt that any of those four would have been off their board. 

 

Who knows what would have happened had the NY Giants actually wanted to trade that #2 pick without asking for that 2019 first. Or any of the other teams willing to let Buffalo trade up other than Tampa. 

 

As it turned out the Bills landed what I think is the perfect fit for the Bills fans to love, a big, tough blue-collar type QB with a cannon for an arm. Get used to seeing frozen ropes! 

[Ol Dirty B]

17 hours ago, Buffalo30 said:

 he's got some red flag injuries, especially for a team that plays in cold weather a lot. 

 

What?

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

They really did. It’s worth noting. Plus we as fans and the media doesn’t have access to the type of info that teams do, so that’s likely part of what happened there. Bill Polian said there is about 50% more info available to the teams than would ever be know publically. Clearly Arizona felt good enough to move up for him so he did ok at 10. My question is why Cleveland, NYG, Jets, Broncos, Bills passed. 

 

Polian sounds like he has dementia when he speaks. He needs to retire.

6 hours ago, Yeezus said:

Baker Mayfield is going to make every scout/GM/analyst look like a complete dumbass this season and I can't wait

 

rooting for the kid. 

 

Rooting for him to bust?

 

He went 1 overall and was rumored to be the next team in the QB market top choice at 3. Your post doesn't reflect reality 

Edited May 4, 2018 by Ol Dirty B

[Magox]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

They really did. It’s worth noting. Plus we as fans and the media doesn’t have access to the type of info that teams do, so that’s likely part of what happened there. Bill Polian said there is about 50% more info available to the teams than would ever be know publically. Clearly Arizona felt good enough to move up for him so he did ok at 10. My question is why Cleveland, NYG, Jets, Broncos, Bills passed. 

Or for that matter Miami.  If they really wanted him they could have easily secured him with a trade up.

[Klaista2k]

So they just completely eliminated two of the best quarterback's from the draft class?

 

Sounds smart.