IgotBILLStopay Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 OK Here is another way to love our Round 1 choices. Just imagine that we had picked Tremaine Edmunds at 7 and Josh Allen at 16. Clearly nobody - even that SI writer who gave us a D- just based off the Allen trade and pick - would think it is bad. Tremaine is a genuine Top 10 talent who you can plug anywhere (OLB, ILB, DE, even DB) you have a hole. And, to get one of the top 4 QBs (who others coveted too) at 16 has to be a steal, no? I think some of these writers (Silva / Iyer) are just not thinking clearly! 5
Poleshifter Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 Allen would have been gone at #10 to Arizona, or does that bit of history change in your scenario. 2 1
IgotBILLStopay Posted May 1, 2018 Author Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Poleshifter said: Allen would have been gone at #10 to Arizona, or does that bit of history change in your scenario. Which is my point Poleshifter - by swapping, we effectively drafted a top 10 lock at 7 and a guy surely gone by 10 at 16 - which does not sound bad at all.
DJB Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Which is my point Poleshifter - by swapping, we effectively drafted a top 10 lock at 7 and a guy surely gone by 10 at 16 - which does not sound bad at all. People will simply point to the draft stock used to trade up for both though. Especially that 7th pick. Two 2nd rounders is a lot for a LB. Much easier to understand when the cost is associated at rolling the dice on a QB.
Aussie Joe Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) A lot of these experts are crying about the two second rounders that they used to trade up to 7.... Plenty of pre draft mocks I saw had them trading up to 4 or 5 to pick Allen giving up both first rounders and more... It appears that these guys are fixated on them giving up too much to get to 7, but would have been happy to give up more to get to 4 or 5 for the SAME player... Edited May 1, 2018 by Aussie Joe
Green Lightning Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Which is my point Poleshifter - by swapping, we effectively drafted a top 10 lock at 7 and a guy surely gone by 10 at 16 - which does not sound bad at all. At the end of the day we still end up with Allen, the last QB I wanted. So what difference does it make?
keepthefaith Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 "Experts" would then say, "See, Allen wasn't viewed as a top pick otherwise someone would have taken him way before 16".
The Wiz Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 Allen would have been gone and everyone would have been pissed we didn't get a QB. Next thread. 1
Kirby Jackson Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 19 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: OK Here is another way to love our Round 1 choices. Just imagine that we had picked Tremaine Edmunds at 7 and Josh Allen at 16. Clearly nobody - even that SI writer who gave us a D- just based off the Allen trade and pick - would think it is bad. Tremaine is a genuine Top 10 talent who you can plug anywhere (OLB, ILB, DE, even DB) you have a hole. And, to get one of the top 4 QBs (who others coveted too) at 16 has to be a steal, no? I think some of these writers (Silva / Iyer) are just not thinking clearly! Interesting perspective and pretty accurate. No one would have blinked on Edmunds at 7 and Allen would have been considered a steal at 16. Good post 2
H2o Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 Draft grades are useless right now. Every person has an opinion on the players they like, dislike, or just admit they don't know jack sh*t about. This SI writer, Evan Silva, and Mel Kiper all are just putting their opinions out there. They are neither right nor wrong at the moment. What we are getting from these players in 2 or 3 years will tell the tale. Then we can see which opinions were right and which opinions were like fresh baby sh*t in a Pamper.
John from Riverside Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 That really is where I am at..... We traded our starter for a 3rd round pick....and have a QB that was another teams backup and our 5th round selection from last year....I have hopes for AJM but come on man.....that is not a feel good position just yet. Beane plays the waiting game because we dont want to give up draft capital THAT WE ACCUMULATED SO WE COULD GET A QB THIS YEAR......and take the QB with the highest upside and physical tools out of the entire class of a strong QB class........then we LOSE them and people are lamenting because now we are looking at Rudolph or Jackson (I like Jackson) Could you imagine the boards if we did that? OMFG Beane actually was able to make it all work....while STILL keeping our 1st round pick 22 which turns into a freak linebacker AND our 2019 pick. EVERYONE thought that our trade up was going to cost both.....it didnt. Thrilled with the way this went. I was a Rosen guy because of his accuracy and he is pro ready.....he is also one hit away from looking at his next career option with all those concussions and shoulder issues. 1
Kirby Jackson Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, dayman said: Give up 2 2s for that LB at #7 and you get blasted Probably but I think that the point was no one would have questioned the LB at 7. No one would have questioned giving up 2 2nds to go from 12 to 7 for a QB. I think that the OPs point is that the Bills got strong value for those two spots. If you take the Bills first 3 rounds and the Jets first 3 rounds and put them side-by-side the Bills killed it comparatively.
JerseyBills Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) To me there's no value of where you draft a QB, if he's a projected late rounder but can be a franchise guy and goes in the first,it's a win . If he's a projected first and you grab him in the 3rd and busts, well ,you just wasted a 3rd rounder and take a L. The diversity of grades , ranging from A to D- show what most of us already know, and that is we know Nothing about how successful these draft picks will be, including these self proclaimed experts. Edited May 1, 2018 by JerseyBills
wppete Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 I would take our 2 first round picks over Cleveland’s. 1
msw2112 Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 Excellent point. So would I. And I was more on the Rosen train than the Allen train. And, in regards to Cleveland, who out there on this board, when Cleveland picked an Ohio State DB with the 4th pick, had flashbacks to the Bills taking Donte Whitner with a top 10 pick a few years ago? Whitner was a good prospect and had an OK career, but NEVER should have been picked in that spot and I suspect the same will be said about Denzel Ward down the road. The Whitner pick made me sick to my stomach, as did the Aaron Maybin pick a few short years later. I realize that I went off-topic, but this is where the stream of consciousness led me.
TC in St. Louis Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 What amuses me is the same people who had mocks showing Allen going number 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 10,11,12,13.....same people will say he's no good. The Bills tested the crap out of this guy. He's got a FANTASTIC arm, and a great work ethic. With proper coaching, a good OL, decent receivers (including tight ends), Josh Allen has the potential to become a huge star. He's a good kid. He's got potential. Makes no sense to throw down on him now that he's a Bill. 1
DrDawkinstein Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 48 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Probably but I think that the point was no one would have questioned the LB at 7. No one would have questioned giving up 2 2nds to go from 12 to 7 for a QB. I think that the OPs point is that the Bills got strong value for those two spots. If you take the Bills first 3 rounds and the Jets first 3 rounds and put them side-by-side the Bills killed it comparatively. Oof, their entire draft... Darnold better be fantastic for them, because the rest of that draft looks shakey at best. 1 3 Sam Darnold** QB USC 6' 4" 225 3 72 Nathan Shepherd DT Fort Hays State 6' 4" 305 4 107 Christopher Herndon TE Miami 6' 4" 255 6 179 Parry Nickerson CB Tulane 5' 11" 185 6 180 Folorunso Fatukasi DT UConn 6' 2" 320 6 204 Trenton Cannon RB Virginia State 5' 11" 175 1
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