SoTier Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 5 hours ago, Lurker said: In the 13-year stretch from 1967 to 1979 they made the playoffs once and won a total of 60 games--an average of 4.6 per year (0.322 win %). In eight of those 13 years, they won 4 games or less. They won 7 or more games only four times over that period. In the 17-year "drought" era, they won a total of 112 games or 6.5 per year (0.412 win %). In nine of those years, they had 7 or more victories. They won 4 games or less only two times. IMO, mediocre (2000-17) was a lot more palatable than bad (1967-79), and I too have been here through all that frustration... I think the difference is that between 1967-1979, effective player FA was very limited and the salary cap didn't exist, so that there was much more inertia in team success, ie, good teams tended to stay good and bad teams tended to stay bad for much longer than they do today. Today, the norm is for teams to rise and fall with considerably more frequency. The Bills have been a rare exception as they have failed to have even modest success on the field, at least until last season.
Rob's House Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 36 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: If that was all you were arguing, then I agree, 100%. However, in this thread, and other threads regarding this topic, your posts appear to go beyond the bounds of merely arguing for the presumption of innocence into rants about biological imperatives and third wave feminism / #MeToo - as if (1) men have no ability to control their behavior due to biological underpinnings of human behavior and (2) every allegation of sexual misconduct is nothing more than the product of vengeful feminism. In the end, the tone of your posts sometimes makes you sound very similar to the fringe you are railing against. You misrepresent the argument. It's not that men have no ability to control their behavior, but rather that much of natural male behavior has been vilified (see "toxic masculinity"). Further, there is an active movement to expand "sexual misconduct" to apply much more broadly so as to include behavior that many don't believe should be treated as such (see Affirmative Consent). Pointing out that this agenda is advanced by third wave feminists doesn't undercut that point at all. It's just stating the obvious.
Sweats Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m happy the used car salesman is finally ousted. Try wheeling and dealin yer way outta this one, Russ. its a good day.
akm0404 Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 I think the agenda is less vilifying natural male behavior and more stop being rapey and coercing subordinates to blow you at work. No need to take things to such extremes.
SoTier Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 5 hours ago, kota said: The amount of glee people are having of this is truly pathetic. Cry me a river for Russ Brandon. The only thing I'm sorry about regarding Brandon's firing is that he got axed because of his personal behavior and not for his incompetence as a football executive. 4 hours ago, USABuffaloFan said: Anyone taking pleasure of this announcement is just SIC! Your not a true Bills fan, just a troll. We all have good and bad memories of Russ running the Bills in different capacities. I wanted him gone!!! Not like this. I always looked at Russ as a family man from Rochester to Western NY. Young guy who grew up in the Bills atmosphere. With power come a enormous burden to be more moral than the next guy. That is not easy, most men don't understand and alot of woman will exploit that. I would not want to be married and live their lifes. As a single guy, never married and 52 I can tell you alot of stories of the stuff I have seen with married men at bars. Doesn't matter what I do I am single but most married men behave worse than I do as a single guy. The point is don't judge or be judged. I am sure someone has seen something at one time in your life you would not want known!!!!!!!! No one but Jesus is moral enough to cast a stone here. Russ, good luck in your life. What ever happens here, be honest with your wife and keep it between your family. Us Bills fans don't need to know and don't want to know. Take care of FAMILY. Been a tough "20" years but I don't hate it, worse that happened is we needed to bomb out some times and give up on players quicker but knew alot of good men in that time, Kelsey, Williams, Woods, Jackson, Fitz, etc... You kept Levy legacy going, you loved NY. Fix your life, be a man, power isn't everything, family is. God Bless and find peace. You're only 52? Reading your post, I pegged you to be at least 80 with attitudes more appropriate to the 1950s than the 21st century. Russ Brandon cheated on his wife, apparently over a relatively long period of time. He also knowingly violated modern standards of employer/employee conduct by having a sexual affair with a subordinate. He then lied to his bosses about it, which led them to investigate and apparently find more problems with his conduct. How is any of this defensible? Let me guess ... the Devil made him do it! I don't know what kind of FAMILY you come from, but among my relatives, even the redneck ones, there's certainly not much tolerance for infidelity, lying, and bullying, much less rationalization of such behavior. 4
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 14 hours ago, fridge said: I'm not surprised at all that this snake would just pretend there's no sexual misconduct issue that triggered his resignation. What kind of guy quits after being investigated and pretends he's been planning on quitting today for 20 years? A weasel, this guy is garbage and I've wanted him gone since day one. So glad this guy is gone. 1
Bill_with_it Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 4 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: The beginning of this thread is gross. You guys should probably just delete your posts with the gifs and all that. It wasn't for performance. So I guess sleeping with employees is a normal thing for any President. Of course it was performance. Hes inneffective at being a president if hes using inappropriate coduct.
SoTier Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 16 minutes ago, Rob's House said: You misrepresent the argument. It's not that men have no ability to control their behavior, but rather that much of natural male behavior has been vilified (see "toxic masculinity"). Further, there is an active movement to expand "sexual misconduct" to apply much more broadly so as to include behavior that many don't believe should be treated as such (see Affirmative Consent). Pointing out that this agenda is advanced by third wave feminists doesn't undercut that point at all. It's just stating the obvious. You obviously have never had a girlfriend or wife or sister or daughter coerced into having sex with her boss in order to keep her job. 1
boyst Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 5 hours ago, USABuffaloFan said: Anyone taking pleasure of this announcement is just SIC! Your not a true Bills fan, just a troll. We all have good and bad memories of Russ running the Bills in different capacities. I wanted him gone!!! Not like this. I always looked at Russ as a family man from Rochester to Western NY. Young guy who grew up in the Bills atmosphere. With power come a enormous burden to be more moral than the next guy. That is not easy, most men don't understand and alot of woman will exploit that. I would not want to be married and live their lifes. As a single guy, never married and 52 I can tell you alot of stories of the stuff I have seen with married men at bars. Doesn't matter what I do I am single but most married men behave worse than I do as a single guy. The point is don't judge or be judged. I am sure someone has seen something at one time in your life you would not want known!!!!!!!! No one but Jesus is moral enough to cast a stone here. Russ, good luck in your life. What ever happens here, be honest with your wife and keep it between your family. Us Bills fans don't need to know and don't want to know. Take care of FAMILY. Been a tough "20" years but I don't hate it, worse that happened is we needed to bomb out some times and give up on players quicker but knew alot of good men in that time, Kelsey, Williams, Woods, Jackson, Fitz, etc... You kept Levy legacy going, you loved NY. Fix your life, be a man, power isn't everything, family is. God Bless and find peace. No Class! No Class! No Class! No Class! No Class! No Class! No Class! Uhhhhh, are you a special kind of ignorant or just obtuse? You said you don't judge but yet said we have no class. And, yes, we do know what happened. Thanks to tinder, no less, I got information on this early. 1
Max Fischer Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 10 hours ago, Rosen-not-Chosen said: Yes, it's starting out high, I guess we'll see where it goes from here. Yeah, you wouldn’t want to pre-judge her or anything . . .
boyst Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 5 hours ago, USABuffaloFan said: NO No Class! No Class! I'll repeat it. Shut up. Dare to dance with me is like dancing with the devil, sweetheart. I dance good, too.. 1
billsfan1959 Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Rob's House said: You misrepresent the argument. It's not that men have no ability to control their behavior, but rather that much of natural male behavior has been vilified (see "toxic masculinity"). Further, there is an active movement to expand "sexual misconduct" to apply much more broadly so as to include behavior that many don't believe should be treated as such (see Affirmative Consent). Pointing out that this agenda is advanced by third wave feminists doesn't undercut that point at all. It's just stating the obvious. I am well aware of the term "toxic masculinity" and the problem with the argument on both sides is there seems to be a sliding scale on what constitutes "natural male behavior." Even if everyone agreed on the definition of natural male behavior, it can still manifest as appropriate or inappropriate behavior dependent upon the circumstances. I agree the pendulum has swung in regard to the broadening application of the term "sexual misconduct" and the disparity (in many instances) between behavior and the severity of consequences. I do not agree with that either. However, I also understand that, as with most instances of the pendulum swinging from one extreme to the other, that it is a reaction to the long time "willful ignorance" of many people to "real" issues of sexual misconduct - and outright predatory behaviors. Edited May 2, 2018 by billsfan1959 2
Wayne Arnold Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, Bill_with_it said: Hes inneffective at being a president if hes using inappropriate coduct. 2
Coach Tuesday Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Edit: And if what he was fired for was dipping his pen in the company ink, the only scandal is that Kim Pegula feels herself meta enough that she should be able to dictate to people who they should !@#$. The closest thing to pure evil I've seen on this forum. Congrats. EDIT: you were better off without the "edit." Edited May 2, 2018 by Coach Tuesday 1
Rob's House Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, SoTier said: You obviously have never had a girlfriend or wife or sister or daughter coerced into having sex with her boss in order to keep her job. Please explain how you drew that conclusion from my post.
Coach Tuesday Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I am well aware of the term "toxic masculinity" and the problem with the argument on both sides is there seems to be a sliding scale on what constitutes "natural male behavior." Even if everyone agreed on the definition of natural male behavior, it can still manifest as appropriate or inappropriate behavior dependent upon the circumstances. I agree the pendulum has swung in regard to the broadening application of the term "sexual misconduct" and the disparity (in many instances) between behavior and the severity of consequences. I do not agree with that either. However, I also understand that, as with most instances of the pendulum swinging from one extreme to the other, that it is a reaction to the long time "willful ignorance" of many people to "real" issues of sexual misconduct - and outright predatory behaviors. I agree. We're seeing what might someday be considered a slight over-correction, but it makes sense viewed in the context of, well, the last ten thousand years. I understand why it upsets certain people but that's probably just the price we need to pay as a society to fix systemic inequalities. 1
teef Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 5 hours ago, USABuffaloFan said: Anyone taking pleasure of this announcement is just SIC! Your not a true Bills fan, just a troll. We all have good and bad memories of Russ running the Bills in different capacities. I wanted him gone!!! Not like this. I always looked at Russ as a family man from Rochester to Western NY. Young guy who grew up in the Bills atmosphere. With power come a enormous burden to be more moral than the next guy. That is not easy, most men don't understand and alot of woman will exploit that. I would not want to be married and live their lifes. As a single guy, never married and 52 I can tell you alot of stories of the stuff I have seen with married men at bars. Doesn't matter what I do I am single but most married men behave worse than I do as a single guy. The point is don't judge or be judged. I am sure someone has seen something at one time in your life you would not want known!!!!!!!! No one but Jesus is moral enough to cast a stone here. Russ, good luck in your life. What ever happens here, be honest with your wife and keep it between your family. Us Bills fans don't need to know and don't want to know. Take care of FAMILY. Been a tough "20" years but I don't hate it, worse that happened is we needed to bomb out some times and give up on players quicker but knew alot of good men in that time, Kelsey, Williams, Woods, Jackson, Fitz, etc... You kept Levy legacy going, you loved NY. Fix your life, be a man, power isn't everything, family is. God Bless and find peace. No Class! No Class! No Class! No Class! No Class! No Class! No Class! i'm sure you just ooze class. classy mcclaster. 1
Rob's House Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 19 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I am well aware of the term "toxic masculinity" and the problem with the argument on both sides is there seems to be a sliding scale on what constitutes "natural male behavior." Even if everyone agreed on the definition of natural male behavior, it can still manifest as appropriate or inappropriate behavior dependent upon the circumstances. I agree the pendulum has swung in regard to the broadening application of the term "sexual misconduct" and the disparity (in many instances) between behavior and the severity of consequences. I do not agree with that either. However, I also understand that, as with most instances of the pendulum swinging from one extreme to the other, that it is a reaction to the long time "willful ignorance" of many people to "real" issues of sexual misconduct - and outright predatory behaviors. You hit the nail on the head. It's not the correction, but rather the overcorrection where inlies the danger.
MAJBobby Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 5 hours ago, USABuffaloFan said: No matter how you feel about what Russ did, this is not how it should end. Wison is crying right now real tears, same with Butler. Sad Bills day, this doesn't help our cause! He resigned not fired, statement was he was looking to leave after 20 years of service anyway. Means he was around to long and things got too comfortable. Sad but I can see this happening. No Class! No Class! No Class! 20 years in the same place with disfunction everywhere and small success but a power position. I am hoping One Bills Drive survives, sad day! Your right he has no class
billsfan1959 Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I agree. We're seeing what might someday be considered a slight over-correction, but it makes sense viewed in the context of, well, the last ten thousand years. I understand why it upsets certain people but that's probably just the price we need to pay as a society to fix systemic inequalities. Unfortunately, it is the price. As Thomas Jefferson said, "...a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing...," and what you are seeing is a rebellion against inequities that have existed for a long, long time. I hate to see anyone unjustly treated as a result; however, I do understand the reasons behind what we are seeing. 1
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