Robert James Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 25 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: People get all kind of stuff all mixed. If the man were a media figure being deep-6'd by accusations in the media, with no legal process, you might have a point. The man is an employee, employment at will. His employer conducted an internal investigation and terminated him as a result of its findings. Employers get to do that. It's their right as businesses to choose whom they will employ and define the conditions of employment, within very broad legal guidelines. I, you, and your little dog too have no right and no business with the details - no right to know how the investigation, no right to hear/see the evidence, and if Brandon is smart he'll keep his mouth shut and not tell his side, either. This is not an issue of "Social Justice Warriors and those afraid to confront them". This is long standing business practice and business employment law. If I had (avert) ever been investigated by an employer and asked to resign or terminated, it could be an egregious violation of my privacy and rights for the employer to release details. What is the source for the assertion that he is an at-will employee? I find it very surprising that the person serving as the head of both an NFL and an NHL franchise would agree to that. Normally, the terms of employment for a position like that would be the result of a negotiated employment contract with attorneys on both sides, and the result would not be at will.
Augie Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 43 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: What do you mean "taking advantage"? By definition "consensual relationship" generally means no advantage was taken, but rather any advantage was freely given. The standards should be applied evenly, otherwise we are living in a caste system. If you learned anything other than that, I believe what you learned was wrong. (Important to note, that's not a personal judgment about you, but rather about the material being discussed.) Even if you think it’s consensual, or even if it actually IS consensual, it’s just plain dumb. How do I know this? Well, common sense and Russ is gone. Don’t put yourself in that position, or this is what can happen to you. 1
Lurker Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 Is the irony of how Kim got to be Mrs. Pegula lost on anyone today? 1 2 4
Max Fischer Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 35 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Tell me what Russ Brandon did that was wrong. First, my post does not reference what he did (we don’t know for sure), I responded to your outdated view on what constitutes right and wrong. And, IMO, you don’t seem to get it. Good luck at the workplace!
Taro T Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 Hated having him involved in Bills upper management. Hated having him named Sabres team president. This is a good day for Buffalo sports fans. 1
That's No Moon Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 I think it's important to note here that he was also untruthful when confronted about allegations and was later found to have been lying. That presumes that there was some sort of evidence to confirm he had in fact lied to the Pegulas in a previous interaction which sets up an entirely new series of fireable offenses. I'm also going to presume that in that previous meeting Russell was warned that any conduct of that nature would not be tolerated. He chose to lie and chose to continue doing what he had been doing. This isn't about the persecution of the American male in the work place, it's about an unethical person who got caught lying to his boss. 2
Rob's House Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 20 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Not if you are in a position of authority over them its not. That doesnt take into account if it was unwanted (which we dont know) It's only wrong if she doesn't want to.
Kirby Jackson Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 58 minutes ago, White Linen said: Why was he known for doing this kind of stuff? I plead the 5th 1
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Lurker said: Is the irony of how Kim got to be Mrs. Pegula lost on anyone today? Brilliant post
thunderingsquid Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: Damn. That's a sad way to go out for a hometown kid who worked his way up. Like him or hate him, he worked his tail off for both franchises. And he was working it in the janitor's closet a few times too.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Robert James said: What is the source for the assertion that he is an at-will employee? I find it very surprising that the person serving as the head of both an NFL and an NHL franchise would agree to that. Normally, the terms of employment for a position like that would be the result of a negotiated employment contract with attorneys on both sides, and the result would not be at will. Valid point, I'm sure Russ had a contract. I sit corrected. Counter point: contract very likely had a bunch of "outs" in it for morals, conduct detrimental, etc etc which put a lot of the "at will" back in, even where that isn't the correct legal descriptive 1
JoeF Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: I plead the 5th Are you Tom Brady or Michael Cohen? 1
thunderingsquid Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 1 hour ago, teef said: looks like russ played a bit too much grab ass at work. that **** will always get you. Do you know from experience? ? 1
John from Riverside Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, Rob's House said: It's only wrong if she doesn't want to. I dont agree with that (once again jmo) A multitude of problems occur with this. - Trading sex for advancement - Holding sex over someones head for the opportunity for advancement - People break up....sometimes its messy.....if someone is willing to date one at a work place they will another.....creating more drama....jobs dont need drama. If I choose to chase tail there is a ton of playces I can go within 5 miles of my job or my house. 1
Estro Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 Also in the Buff News article is that they found other business related deceit outside of the relationships. I'm very curious what those details are and wouldn't be surprised if that was an even bigger deal and reason he was forces to leave. I've wanted Russ gone for well over 10 yrs. The guy just seemed like such a weasel. I've been to probably 10 road games the last few yrs. and it always concerned me that the Pegulas were chaperoned all over the field pregame by Russ. He had way too much clout in this organization for far too long, IMO.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: I should be more clear: if he did anything nefarious (i.e. unwanted advances) He's the CEO. Don't have to be unwanted.
mannc Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Robert James said: What is the source for the assertion that he is an at-will employee? I find it very surprising that the person serving as the head of both an NFL and an NHL franchise would agree to that. Normally, the terms of employment for a position like that would be the result of a negotiated employment contract with attorneys on both sides, and the result would not be at will. Absolutely correct.
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 The weasel got caught, Brandon and Whaley being gone are the best things that happened in the last two years. I knew, knew, knew, knew a million times knew this guy was trash. He had no passion to make the Bills great again.
boyst Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, JoeF said: You are on fire today. Bringing the information and speaking the truth. Thanks for the insights. I could have posted this all around noon after someone said something in a group an two follow ups confirmed. PSE wase trying to wait until Friday for this.
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