Josh Allen - Game Film Links

[Mark92]

46 minutes ago, Logic said:

A thought just occurred to me that's kind of interesting:

Our first round picks, Allen and Edmunds, are both extremely young and raw in the game, but both have elite (like...possibly among the greatest of all time at their position) physical ability. Both of them have boom or bust potential. If both of them boom, though? The Bills could get pretty good pretty fast.

That's usually the way it works when drafted players boom.   Look at the Cowboys with Elliott and Prescott.  When you hit on impact player the payoff is almost instant.   God I hope they hit on Allen and Edmunds.  

[Lurker]

6 minutes ago, elltrain22 said:

 

Great post!! Did you see him at the senior Bowl?? Highly recommend watching. He looks like a star when paired with playmakers on offense and an offensive line that can withstand pressure for more than 2 seconds 

 

Both second half TDs were beautiful.   But with no blitzing and little defensive game planning, he must have felt like he was dreaming...

[Mark92]

4 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

Allen was Wyoming's offense, he carried them on his back. In Buffalo he is going to be asked to do next to nothing. We made the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor throwing for 2,800 yards and 14 TDs, all Allen has to do is throw for 20 TDs and limit turnovers and we should make the playoffs 2 years in a row.

 

We should have a strong defense and Allen has a way better supporting cast than he's ever had in his entire life. He's never had a running back like LeSean McCoy or receivers like Charles Clay and Kelvin Benjamin. Fans say our talent on offense is weak but to Allen this is like waking up on Christmas morning and gifts under his tree, he has never had this much talent to work with at any point in his career from the time he played in peewee through high school and college until now, he is gushing right now.

I don't think it would wise to start Allen at all this year.  He needs to learn the NFL game better.  He has all the tools and smarts to do just that but I feel rushing him won't help.  

[ghostwriter]

Just now, Mark92 said:

I don't think it would wise to start Allen at all this year.  He needs to learn the NFL game better.  He has all the tools and smarts to do just that but I feel rushing him won't help.  

He understands the game, very smart player, but I agree for different reasons. I'd start McCarron until Allen settles down emotionally. Let the euphoria of being the #7 overall pick settle down a little, let the pressure settle down a bit. I think if you start McCarron there's a good chance we see Allen by week 7, 8 or 9. I'd rather do it that way because if Allen starts week 1 and goes through growing pains, fans are going to start grumbling for McCarron to start and then we have a QB controversy. Start McCarron, let him fall on his face, insert Allen and let him be our savior.

[DriveFor1Outta5]

15 minutes ago, elltrain22 said:

 

Great post!! Did you see him at the senior Bowl?? Highly recommend watching. He looks like a star when paired with playmakers on offense and an offensive line that can withstand pressure for more than 2 seconds 

Fair enough, but lets hope that he gets to sit a year. He certainly won’t be surrounded by playmakers or a line here either. 

[Iverwig]

Great post! Allen definitely has the tools.  He needs some work but so does most college QB's who have his tools.  Stafford was the same way at UGA but with less mobility.  

[Wayne Arnold]

He plays a lot of hero ball, which has killed his statistics. He probably thought he needed to do that because of Wyoming's disadvantages. But he can't do that in the NFL. He'll quickly play his way out of the league if he lacks the proper amount of wisdom.

[Rock'em Sock'em]

Thanks for posting!

 

+ Great feet

+ Ability to shed would-be sackers

+ Ability to throw on the run going left or right

+ Ability to throw accurately while off-balance

+ Can play under center or in shot-gun

 

- Maddening in-accuracy on deep throws and simple swing passes

- A couple "Bad" interceptions, where he just seemed to not see defenders - including an interception on a screen pass

- Did not anticipate pressure to be ready with a "check-down" option

 

Should be an interesting couple next years!  I really hope he develops, because there is obviously something to this kid.

[DC Tom]

Watched the first two videos...I foresee a lot of "Don't take the sack!  Get rid of it!  There's an open man down field!" complaining on this board in the near future.

 

Which is not really a bold prediction - half the morons here who make that complaint probably make it on kickoffs, field goals, and NHL overtime shootouts too.  But Allen is going to generate a lot of it.

3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

He plays a lot of hero ball, which has killed his statistics. He probably thought he needed to do that because of Wyoming's disadvantages. But he can't do that in the NFL. He'll quickly play his way out of the league if he lacks the proper amount of wisdom.

 

"Hero ball."  Good term for it.  

[BillsSbSoon]

23 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Did he have four?

He had 5

[Andy1]

After watching all those games, my comments are:

- Very few easy throws close to or behind the line of scrimmage

- He had a ton of throws under pressure.

- Great throws on the run

- He "earned" his completion % - no cheap completions. 

- Needs to improve his touch on swing passes. 

- He reads the field

- Took lots of snaps under center

- He's very eager to tackle after throwing an interception. 

- Agree with Ojabba - crazy good feet, makes people miss in the back field and in the open field. Deceptively quick. 

 

I think this is going to be a fun ride in the future, 

Edited May 1, 2018 by Andy1

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

I think they could have picked 5 random guys from the crowd and improved the offensive line! Wow. 

[Juice_32]

1 hour ago, OJABBA said:

 

 

I have seen this game pointed to as proof that he sucks. He is playing pretty damn good, but at the end of the game, the score is way out of hand, and he is forcing throws. He opens the game with a long string of completions. I'm not sure Tyrod has ever completed that many passes in a row on one drive.

 

I felt the same way about the Boise game. I was yelling Rosen at the tv right before we picked Allen, but after watching some of his "bad" games I actually came away impressed with Allen. His supporting cast (specifically OL and WR) was just awful. The guy put them on his back every week and it definitely affected his stats.

[mannc]

44 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

If you were looking to like him, there were a lot of plays to love about him. And a bunch of poor ones. His line and receivers were awful though.

By the end of the game, Allen was running for his life on every play.  Let’s remember—this is Wyoming, on the road in Lincoln.  Huge talent mismatch and a very tough environment.

[stuvian]

it's clear that Wyoming has no business being on the same field as division 1 talent. His stats suffered because his life was in danger on half those plays. I notice he throws much better to his right that to his left. He can really make things happen on broken plays. That 4th and 12 play vs Nebraska before the first half was epic

[Fredonia Frank]

I admit I didn't watch a lot of allen prior to being drafted. I watched the same games after he was picked. They said he was inaccurate and I was expecting to see ej Manuel level of inaccuracy.  In all the games about 10 he had about 4-5 throws which were horrible - no excuses....and about 5-6 that were ill advised. Oddly quite of few were very short throws screens and wr screens. Overall I thought he was fairly accurate for the most part especially in the middle of the field. 

 

You can't see the coverage in these but a lot of the incompletions were due to his line where he was running for his life forced to scramble right. it looked like most the time he was in essence throwing the ball away as he had only a couple receivers on that side of the field and they were well covered well.

 

Overall I saw a guy with a bad line and weak Wr group that needs better footwork but was not a train wreck. I would like to see him with  more skilled players (yes I know the Bills offense is not overly skilled but they are still professionals ). I think some of his accuracy issues were due to trying to do too much. 

 

 

Time will tell... He certainly isn't polished but I am not as worried as most. 

 

 

[Juice_32]

50 minutes ago, elltrain22 said:

 

Great post!! Did you see him at the senior Bowl?? Highly recommend watching. He looks like a star when paired with playmakers on offense and an offensive line that can withstand pressure for more than 2 seconds 

 

I've watched his senior bowl highlights 10 times. You can almost sense his relief as the game goes on. It's like he's thinking, "wow, this is what it's like to have help"!

[TAinLack.]

2 hours ago, Domdab99 said:

Just finished watching these edited game tapes with every Allen play on them:

 

 

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Okay, I'm an analytics guy. I believe in the numbers and think that the Bills would definitely benefit from having a HC who acts a little like the Eagles' HC - going for it on 4th down more often, etc. Anyone who remembers my ranting after the Colts snow game this year, will attest to my love of modern football though. 

 

When it cane to this year's draft, we obviously wanted to go for a franchise QB - but Allen was my 5th QB. All of this based solely on the numbers. I didn't see much of all of the QBs beyond highlight reels, and Allen's stats just screamed "bust" to me. The completion %, the AYA, etc...there was just no way his admittedly impressive skill set could translate to the NFL with those numbers. And I let you guys know it - not with just one, but two threads saying Josh Allen will be a huge bust. 

 

Well, I like to think I'm man enough if I discover I'm wrong about something, and I think I'm wrong about Josh Allen. 

 

After going through these game tapes, listening to Dilfer, Palmer, etc., seeing Allen's life-story and what kind of man he is...I've to to say, I'm really excited about having Allen as the Bill's QB. The kid is amazing.

 

Some things I've seen over the last few days of study:

 

• Allen can obviously make any throw on the field.
• His misses are almost always in a place where the defense cannot make a play on the ball.
• His accuracy issues are inflated. According to the stats, Wyoming only dropped 6 passes all year - well, look at the game film - I can pick out at least 6 times A GAME that his receivers drop the damn ball - or are too damn slow to catch up to a well-thrown ball. 
• His supporting cast was woefully slow and unimpressive. We know Allen has one of the quickest releases ever seen, yet he has to often wait for his receivers to get open before throwing the ball - putting him in more danger of being hit/sacked and/or throwing it into a crowd. 
• HI OL was a freakin' sieve, he rarely had a clean pocket and was often running around trying to make something happen. 
• His feet are INCREDIBLE. I'm not talking about his well-documented issues with footwork while passing - I'm talking about his ability to get out of trouble and gain yardage when there is none to be found. Just amazing athletic ability. And he had to use that ability a lot.
• Sure, he air-mails a few here and there, but what QB doesn't? And he doesn't seem quite comfortable throwing swing passes, but that'll come. 

 

What I noticed more than anything was that Wyoming had ONE real player on the field - and that was obviously Allen. The running game was practically non-existent. Allen was the whole offense. 

 

Watch the Iowa game - the one BIG COLLEGE opponent they play. Wyoming is out-classed. But Allen is fine. He throws the ball where it's supposed to go, but gets no help from his teammates. they are slow and not as strong as Iowa, so they get swallowed up. 

 

Watch Texas State at 2:35 - he lofts a perfect ball to James Brice, but Brice can't catch up to the ball - he's not fast enough. It's like Allen has to hold back to get the ball to his guys sometimes. 

 

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So what am I taking from all this? I also went back and looked at some of Carson Wentz's college games. I don't see much of a difference. While Allen is not quite the physical speciman Cam Newton is, it is obvious he has a much better arm and much better touch on the ball. 

 

Numbers don't lie. But they sometimes aren't the whole story. 

 

I was wrong.

 

And I cannot wait to see Josh Allen in a Bill's uniform. 

Nice post, thanks for the evaluation too.

[Domdab99]

2 hours ago, Bobby Hooks said:

Yikes. I’m trying to sell myself on the pick too but complete 180 before even training camp? Idk... 

 

Give it some time. You don’t have to buy his jersey right away. 

 

 

 

LOL!

 

1) I’m not saying he’s the 2nd coming of Saint Jim Kelly, I’m just saying I was wrong to be so down on him. He still has to prove it on the field. Kid could still be a bust, tho.

 

2) I don’t buy shirts with other men’s Names on them. At least, not since I was 12. 

Edited May 1, 2018 by Domdab99

[Scorp83]

The complete sale job is starting... I'm screenshooting this post for later... man at least wait for training camp. I'd rather someone sale me on McCarron or Peterman right about now