Josh Allen - Game Film Links

[Domdab99]

Just finished watching these edited game tapes with every Allen play on them:

 

 

*******

Okay, I'm an analytics guy. I believe in the numbers and think that the Bills would definitely benefit from having a HC who acts a little like the Eagles' HC - going for it on 4th down more often, etc. Anyone who remembers my ranting after the Colts snow game this year, will attest to my love of modern football, though. 

 

When it came to this year's draft, we obviously wanted to go for a franchise QB - but Allen was my 5th QB. All of this based solely on the numbers. I didn't see much of all of the QBs beyond highlight reels, and Allen's stats just screamed "bust" to me. The completion %, the AYA, etc...there was just no way his admittedly impressive skill set could translate to the NFL with those numbers. And I let you guys know it - not with just one, but two threads saying Josh Allen will be a huge bust. 

 

Well, I like to think I'm man enough if I discover I'm wrong about something, and I think I'm wrong about Josh Allen. 

 

After going through these game tapes, listening to Dilfer, Palmer, etc., seeing Allen's life-story and what kind of man he is...I've to to say, I'm really excited about having Allen as the Bill's QB. The kid is amazing.

 

Some things I've seen over the last few days of study:

 

• Allen can obviously make any throw on the field.
• His misses are almost always in a place where the defense cannot make a play on the ball.
• His accuracy issues are inflated. According to the stats, Wyoming only dropped 6 passes all year - well, look at the game film - I can pick out at least 6 times A GAME that his receivers drop the damn ball - or are too damn slow to catch up to a well-thrown ball. 
• His supporting cast was woefully slow and unimpressive. We know Allen has one of the quickest releases ever seen, yet he has to often wait for his receivers to get open before throwing the ball - putting him in more danger of being hit/sacked and/or throwing it into a crowd. 
• His OL was a freakin' sieve; he rarely had a clean pocket and was often running around trying to make something happen. 
• His feet are INCREDIBLE. I'm not talking about his well-documented issues with footwork while passing - I'm talking about his ability to get out of trouble and gain yardage when there is none to be found. Just amazing athletic ability. And he had to use that ability a lot.
• Sure, he air-mails a few here and there, but what QB doesn't? And he doesn't seem quite comfortable throwing swing passes, but that'll come. 

 

What I noticed more than anything was that Wyoming had ONE real player on the field - and that was obviously Allen. The running game was practically non-existent. Allen was the whole offense. 

 

Watch the Iowa game - the one BIG COLLEGE opponent they play. Wyoming is out-classed. But Allen is fine. He throws the ball where it's supposed to go, but gets no help from his teammates. they are slow and not as strong as Iowa, so they get swallowed up. 

 

Watch Texas State at 2:35 - he lofts a perfect ball to James Brice, but Brice can't catch up to the ball - he's not fast enough. It's like Allen has to hold back to get the ball to his guys sometimes. 

 

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So what am I taking from all this? I also went back and looked at some of Carson Wentz's college games. I don't see much of a difference. While Allen is not quite the physical speciman Cam Newton is, it is obvious he has a much better arm and much better touch on the ball. 

 

Numbers don't lie. But they sometimes aren't the whole story. 

 

I was wrong. I mean, the kid still needs to prove it and he can still be a bust.

 

But I cannot wait to see Josh Allen in a Bill's uniform. 

Edited May 1, 2018 by Domdab99

[BuffAlone]

2 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

Just finished watching these edited game tapes with every Allen play on them:

 

 

*******

Okay, I'm an analytics guy. I believe in the numbers and think that the Bills would definitely benefit from having a HC who acts a little like the Eagles' HC - going for it on 4th down more often, etc. Anyone who remembers my ranting after the Colts snow game this year, will attest to my love of modern football though. 

 

When it cane to this year's draft, we obviously wanted to go for a franchise QB - but Allen was my 5th QB. All of this based solely on the numbers. I didn't see much of all of the QBs beyond highlight reels, and Allen's stats just screamed "bust" to me. The completion %, the AYA, etc...there was just no way his admittedly impressive skill set could translate to the NFL with those numbers. And I let you guys know it - not with just one, but two threads saying Josh Allen will be a huge bust. 

 

Well, I like to think I'm man enough if I discover I'm wrong about something, and I think I'm wrong about Josh Allen. 

 

After going through these game tapes, listening to Dilfer, Palmer, etc., seeing Allen's life-story and what kind of man he is...I've to to say, I'm really excited about having Allen as the Bill's QB. The kid is amazing.

 

Some things I've seen over the last few days of study:

 

• Allen can obviously make any throw on the field.
• His misses are almost always in a place where the defense cannot make a play on the ball.
• His accuracy issues are inflated. According to the stats, Wyoming only dropped 6 passes all year - well, look at the game film - I can pick out at least 6 times A GAME that his receivers drop the damn ball - or are too damn slow to catch up to a well-thrown ball. 
• His supporting cast was woefully slow and unimpressive. We know Allen has one of the quickest releases ever seen, yet he has to often wait for his receivers to get open before throwing the ball - putting him in more danger of being hit/sacked and/or throwing it into a crowd. 
• HI OL was a freakin' sieve, he rarely had a clean pocket and was often running around trying to make something happen. 
• His feet are INCREDIBLE. I'm not talking about his well-documented issues with footwork while passing - I'm talking about his ability to get out of trouble and gain yardage when there is none to be found. Just amazing athletic ability. And he had to use that ability a lot.
• Sure, he air-mails a few here and there, but what QB doesn't? And he doesn't seem quite comfortable throwing swing passes, but that'll come. 

 

What I noticed more than anything was that Wyoming had ONE real player on the field - and that was obviously Allen. The running game was practically non-existent. Allen was the whole offense. 

 

Watch the Iowa game - the one BIG COLLEGE opponent they play. Wyoming is out-classed. But Allen is fine. He throws the ball where it's supposed to go, but gets no help from his teammates. they are slow and not as strong as Iowa, so they get swallowed up. 

 

Watch Texas State at 2:35 - he lofts a perfect ball to James Brice, but Brice can't catch up to the ball - he's not fast enough. It's like Allen has to hold back to get the ball to his guys sometimes. 

 

****

 

So what am I taking from all this? I also went back and looked at some of Carson Wentz's college games. I don't see much of a difference. While Allen is not quite the physical speciman Cam Newton is, it is obvious he has a much better arm and much better touch on the ball. 

 

Numbers don't lie. But they sometimes aren't the whole story. 

 

I was wrong.

 

And I cannot wait to see Josh Allen in a Bill's uniform. 

Good post. I agree with most everything you said, and have to admit I was all in on Rosen. Hindsight says I'm glad we don't have to see that smug mug every Sunday?

[Bobby Hooks]

Yikes. I’m trying to sell myself on the pick too but complete 180 before even training camp? Idk... 

 

Give it some time. You don’t have to buy his jersey right away. 

 

 

[17 Josh Allen]

Epic post Dondab99, you hit the nail on the head with Allen. There is more then statistics with this QB. can you imagine if this guy played with Mason Rudolph’s wideouts. He would have broke every record in the book. no need to say any more you really cover it. Hopefully some of the other Allen haters will realize how lucky we are that we got Allen and did not have to mortgage the future. I am so happy and excited that we have him. He is a dream come true. 

Edited April 30, 2018 by Thurmanator 12074

[SNICE]

He’ll need to stop staring down receivers..... we’ve seen how that works out in the nfl.

[26CornerBlitz]

You are not supposed to evaluate QB prospects while wearing these. 

 

[LEBills]

15 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

Just finished watching these edited game tapes with every Allen play on them

 

*******

Okay, I'm an analytics guy. I believe in the numbers and think that the Bills would definitely benefit from having a HC who acts a little like the Eagles' HC - going for it on 4th down more often, etc. Anyone who remembers my ranting after the Colts snow game this year, will attest to my love of modern football though. 

 

When it cane to this year's draft, we obviously wanted to go for a franchise QB - but Allen was my 5th QB. All of this based solely on the numbers. I didn't see much of all of the QBs beyond highlight reels, and Allen's stats just screamed "bust" to me. The completion %, the AYA, etc...there was just no way his admittedly impressive skill set could translate to the NFL with those numbers. And I let you guys know it - not with just one, but two threads saying Josh Allen will be a huge bust. 

 

Well, I like to think I'm man enough if I discover I'm wrong about something, and I think I'm wrong about Josh Allen. 

 

After going through these game tapes, listening to Dilfer, Palmer, etc., seeing Allen's life-story and what kind of man he is...I've to to say, I'm really excited about having Allen as the Bill's QB. The kid is amazing.

 

Some things I've seen over the last few days of study:

 

• Allen can obviously make any throw on the field.
• His misses are almost always in a place where the defense cannot make a play on the ball.
• His accuracy issues are inflated. According to the stats, Wyoming only dropped 6 passes all year - well, look at the game film - I can pick out at least 6 times A GAME that his receivers drop the damn ball - or are too damn slow to catch up to a well-thrown ball. 
• His supporting cast was woefully slow and unimpressive. We know Allen has one of the quickest releases ever seen, yet he has to often wait for his receivers to get open before throwing the ball - putting him in more danger of being hit/sacked and/or throwing it into a crowd. 
• HI OL was a freakin' sieve, he rarely had a clean pocket and was often running around trying to make something happen. 
• His feet are INCREDIBLE. I'm not talking about his well-documented issues with footwork while passing - I'm talking about his ability to get out of trouble and gain yardage when there is none to be found. Just amazing athletic ability. And he had to use that ability a lot.
• Sure, he air-mails a few here and there, but what QB doesn't? And he doesn't seem quite comfortable throwing swing passes, but that'll come. 

 

What I noticed more than anything was that Wyoming had ONE real player on the field - and that was obviously Allen. The running game was practically non-existent. Allen was the whole offense. 

 

Watch the Iowa game - the one BIG COLLEGE opponent they play. Wyoming is out-classed. But Allen is fine. He throws the ball where it's supposed to go, but gets no help from his teammates. they are slow and not as strong as Iowa, so they get swallowed up. 

 

Watch Texas State at 2:35 - he lofts a perfect ball to James Brice, but Brice can't catch up to the ball - he's not fast enough. It's like Allen has to hold back to get the ball to his guys sometimes. 

 

****

 

So what am I taking from all this? I also went back and looked at some of Carson Wentz's college games. I don't see much of a difference. While Allen is not quite the physical speciman Cam Newton is, it is obvious he has a much better arm and much better touch on the ball. 

 

Numbers don't lie. But they sometimes aren't the whole story. 

 

I was wrong.

 

And I cannot wait to see Josh Allen in a Bill's uniform. 

Good post, man. I’ve been a big Allen fan for the whole draft process and am so excited to have him as our QB. 

 

The one game everyone should watch is the Colorado State game. What a game. For those that don’t know, Colorado State is Wyoming’s “big” rival.

 

To start the game, you can count at least 4 drops, including a beautiful shoulda-been TD pass. Not to mention, Allen was being met by defenders at the mesh point of his RPOs. WHAT? Just no time at all. And sometimes he would Carson Wentz and miraculously get out of it.

 

Then, after half time, the snow starts. And Wyoming is losing. Allen passes and runs the pokes to the win. You see a lot of good (and some bad) things in his other games too so they are all worth a look, but the CSU game is a good one.

[gobills1212]

Hopefully,  this becomes the mind set with most fans. Hes ours now, and the next however many years stand to be pretty miserable if people stay bitter. It is what it is, so why not get excited?

[CajunBillsBacker]

This post needs to be pinned until training camp.

[BillsSbSoon]

Anyone who thinks he cant throw with touch should watch the senior bowl tape too. He was dropping dimes all over the place

[PIZ]

Glad to have you on board.  I almost can't believe we were able to draft this guy.  I may he wearing those Bills glasses 26, but I believe we have something special in Allen.  He's in the same situation our Bills were in last year..... People making jokes about the Bills, "trading talent for measly draft picks", "17 years without playoffs", etc. etc.  Now it's happening with Allen.  He'll prove them wrong too, just like his team did.

 

Can't wait.

 

 

[Prickly Pete]

 

 

I have seen this game pointed to as proof that he sucks. He is playing pretty damn good, but at the end of the game, the score is way out of hand, and he is forcing throws. He opens the game with a long string of completions. I'm not sure Tyrod has ever completed that many passes in a row on one drive.

Edited May 1, 2018 by OJABBA

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Good post! I'm making my way through the videos and it's crazy how often he's running for his life.

[CaptnCoke11]

Oh boy the OL for Wyoming was dreadful lol

[BillsSbSoon]

4 minutes ago, OJABBA said:

 

 

I have seen this game pointed to as proof that he sucks. He is playing pretty damn good, but at the end of the game, the score is way out of hand, and he is forcing throws. He opens the game with a long string of completions. I'm not sure Tyrod has ever completed that many passes in a row.

Thats prolly his worst tape. First year as starter though, but yeah wasnt a good game

[Logic]

I was 100% a "please please please don't draft Josh Allen!" guy. I was depressed when Buffalo picked him.

Maybe it's because I want to believe the Bills made the right choice, or maybe it's because I'm an eternal optimist...but I'm coming around. The fact of the matter is that Mayfield and Darnold weren't realistic options, so it came down to Allen vs Rosen. Seeing Allen's character, work ethic, leadership, team fit, toughness, and physical upside, I understand why Buffalo made the choice they did. 

I really, really hope that Josh Allen becomes the best quarterback the Bills have ever had. Lord knows Buffalo is due for some luck.

[akm0404]

Yeah I posted in the main Allen thread that I went through and watched a bunch of the full game cut-ups, and came away with an appreciation for his athletic ability and elusiveness running the ball, and also that he always seems to push the ball down the field.  Eventually I just got used to watching him drop back and chuck it 30-35 yards down the middle of the field like it's no big deal.  

 

Obviously we're all looking to get mentally on board with our new quarterback and many of us are going to be looking for hope.  But, I think we can find that hope in these videos.  Imagine if we can have an offense that throws the ball between the hashes down the field sometimes...

[Logic]

A thought just occurred to me that's kind of interesting:

Our first round picks, Allen and Edmunds, are both extremely young and raw in the game, but both have elite (like...possibly among the greatest of all time at their position) physical ability. Both of them have boom or bust potential. If both of them boom, though? The Bills could get pretty good pretty fast.

[akm0404]

Gotta hope for the best.  We'll never be a perennial contender without getting plus play from the most important position in all of professional sports.

[Maine-iac]

58 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

Just finished watching these edited game tapes with every Allen play on them:

 

 

*******

Okay, I'm an analytics guy. I believe in the numbers and think that the Bills would definitely benefit from having a HC who acts a little like the Eagles' HC - going for it on 4th down more often, etc. Anyone who remembers my ranting after the Colts snow game this year, will attest to my love of modern football though. 

 

When it cane to this year's draft, we obviously wanted to go for a franchise QB - but Allen was my 5th QB. All of this based solely on the numbers. I didn't see much of all of the QBs beyond highlight reels, and Allen's stats just screamed "bust" to me. The completion %, the AYA, etc...there was just no way his admittedly impressive skill set could translate to the NFL with those numbers. And I let you guys know it - not with just one, but two threads saying Josh Allen will be a huge bust. 

 

Well, I like to think I'm man enough if I discover I'm wrong about something, and I think I'm wrong about Josh Allen. 

 

After going through these game tapes, listening to Dilfer, Palmer, etc., seeing Allen's life-story and what kind of man he is...I've to to say, I'm really excited about having Allen as the Bill's QB. The kid is amazing.

 

Some things I've seen over the last few days of study:

 

• Allen can obviously make any throw on the field.
• His misses are almost always in a place where the defense cannot make a play on the ball.
• His accuracy issues are inflated. According to the stats, Wyoming only dropped 6 passes all year - well, look at the game film - I can pick out at least 6 times A GAME that his receivers drop the damn ball - or are too damn slow to catch up to a well-thrown ball. 
• His supporting cast was woefully slow and unimpressive. We know Allen has one of the quickest releases ever seen, yet he has to often wait for his receivers to get open before throwing the ball - putting him in more danger of being hit/sacked and/or throwing it into a crowd. 
• HI OL was a freakin' sieve, he rarely had a clean pocket and was often running around trying to make something happen. 
• His feet are INCREDIBLE. I'm not talking about his well-documented issues with footwork while passing - I'm talking about his ability to get out of trouble and gain yardage when there is none to be found. Just amazing athletic ability. And he had to use that ability a lot.
• Sure, he air-mails a few here and there, but what QB doesn't? And he doesn't seem quite comfortable throwing swing passes, but that'll come. 

 

What I noticed more than anything was that Wyoming had ONE real player on the field - and that was obviously Allen. The running game was practically non-existent. Allen was the whole offense. 

 

Watch the Iowa game - the one BIG COLLEGE opponent they play. Wyoming is out-classed. But Allen is fine. He throws the ball where it's supposed to go, but gets no help from his teammates. they are slow and not as strong as Iowa, so they get swallowed up. 

 

Watch Texas State at 2:35 - he lofts a perfect ball to James Brice, but Brice can't catch up to the ball - he's not fast enough. It's like Allen has to hold back to get the ball to his guys sometimes. 

 

****

 

So what am I taking from all this? I also went back and looked at some of Carson Wentz's college games. I don't see much of a difference. While Allen is not quite the physical speciman Cam Newton is, it is obvious he has a much better arm and much better touch on the ball. 

 

Numbers don't lie. But they sometimes aren't the whole story. 

 

I was wrong.

 

And I cannot wait to see Josh Allen in a Bill's uniform. 

Just commenting because I literally read all this and got excited enough to dive into the pile of videos you have here.  2 plays into the first video and Allen has thrown a pick and ran around the corner and took a hit that will certainly shorten his NFL career if he does so with regularity and he's playing Utah State.  Judging from how excited you were/are I'm guessing it gets better but not what I expected so far.

 

Yeah I actually turned the Utah State game off.  It was disgusting.  He is athletic and elusive.  His line is not great.  Guys didn't seem sure handed.  All that said he threw a pick first play of the game and could have been picked at least two more times.  Too high for his RB on a swing pass and almost got his WR's killed several times.  I'll try the next game after a breather.

Edited May 1, 2018 by Maine-iac