Alonzo Highsmith explains why he flipped from Darnold to Mayfield

[PirateHookerMD]

As someone nervous about Allen but on the train, I don't love hearing they had him 5th...

[YoloinOhio]

10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I know, right? 

 

" Highsmith did lots of traveling to prepare for the draft. “I was at an airport,” he said. “UCLA’s volleyball team was in front of me. You heard so much about Rosen. He’s this or that. We all know how people talk. “So I asked one of the volleyball coaches, ‘What’s Rosen like?’ He said, ‘Aaaaa, you should probably ask his girlfriend. She’s one of the players. She’s over there.’ “I’m like, ‘All right coach. That’s good enough.’ “I don’t know what all this means, but there was something about him that bothered me.”

 

Literally "something about him that bothered me".  If this is the best effort of a high-level NFL FO scouting executive, the "right hand man" to the GM, I gotta say I'm kind of under-impressed here.  Maybe it's a good thing for Green Bay that Dorsey "lured him away"

GB didn’t want him and they wanted Elliott Wolfe even less 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

36 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I think the biggest risk with his personality is how he will handle the inevitable adversity he will face as a young player.  I dont have much confidence he will do well with it.  

 

I think that's a risk for several of them.  I'm concerned that Mr Fiery Keeps-an-Enemies-List will implode when his negative press clippings mount up - which, even if he's off to a hot start, is bound to happen sometime. 

 

 

[Kelly the Dog]

Kevin Cole, who is one of these PFF type data analysts, talking about it's too early to give grades or badmouth draft picks before seeing these guys play, tweeted,  "If you're at the blackjack table and someone hits on 16 with a 6 showing you don't say, "let's wait to see how the hand plays out before saying it was a bad decision"

 

Ha.

[nbbillsfan]

6 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

He worked his ass off, was fearless under the rush, and got murdered on and for that team. Never did a thing selfish on the field. Was VERY prepared, super smart, studied film. The "selfish" is just stupid criticism. 

 

I too know people who know Josh personally as I live in Orange County and am very close friends with a former bruin (now in the nfl). People don't like him for 2 reasons: 1. If you are dumb, he makes you feel stupid, 2. If you are smart, you realize Rosen isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is. 

 

Look, the wonderlic isn't exactly a direct measurement of intelligence, but it is relevant. I am 100% confident if you asked Rosen before the wonderlic how he would fair against Darnold and Allen, he would assume he would destroy them in any intellectual endeavor....alas he did not.

 

Ultimately, I am not sure how much his likability matters. I think there are a plethora of borderline narcissistic/jerk quarterbacks like Rosen in the league. Some struggle (Cutler and Ryan Leaf) some flourish (Cam Newton and Aaron Rogers.) If Rosen isn't great, his personality will be a huge problem, I guarantee it. If he is a pro-bowler, he will be like Lebron, an egomaniac, but it won't matter. 

[Kelly the Dog]

3 minutes ago, nbbillsfan said:

 

I too know people who know Josh personally as I live in Orange County and am very close friends with a former bruin (now in the nfl). People don't like him for 2 reasons: 1. If you are dumb, he makes you feel stupid, 2. If you are smart, you realize Rosen isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is. 

 

Look, the wonderlic isn't exactly a direct measurement of intelligence, but it is relevant. I am 100% confident if you asked Rosen before the wonderlic how he would fair against Darnold and Allen, he would assume he would destroy them in any intellectual endeavor....alas he did not.

 

Ultimately, I am not sure how much his likability matters. I think there are a plethora of borderline narcissistic/jerk quarterbacks like Rosen in the league. Some struggle (Cutler and Ryan Leaf) some flourish (Cam Newton and Aaron Rogers.) If Rosen isn't great, his personality will be a huge problem, I guarantee it. If he is a pro-bowler, he will be like Lebron, an egomaniac, but it won't matter. 

Actually, you're wrong. Rosen would know, as I do, and you should, that the Wonderlic is not a good measure of intelligence.

 

And if you live in Orange County you would also know you are surrounded by 90% USC fans who of course hate him.

Edited April 30, 2018 by Kelly the Dog

[nbbillsfan]

21 minutes ago, PirateHookerMD said:

As someone nervous about Allen but on the train, I don't love hearing they had him 5th...

 

it sounded "highsmith" had him 5th, at the end of the season. Not sure how he had him come draft day. Also, sounds like Dorsey had Allen higher.

2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Actually, you're wrong. Rosen would know, as I do, and you should, that the Wonderlic is not a good measure of intelligence.

 

And if you live in Orange County you would also know you are surrounded by 90% USC fans who of course hate him.

 

I disagree. Wonderlics, just like SAT/LSAT ect., do have a strong correlation to IQ. However, your excuse does sound like something Rosen would say.

 

Also, I live in Newport Beach, so it is actually 95% USC fans...

[JMF2006]

50 minutes ago, PirateHookerMD said:

I think its interesting to know how they had them ranked. I don't think its cool to **** on a kid after you pass on him. 

 

Yeah your an adult take the highroad.

 

Just say you liked Mayfields moxey you don"t need to throw the other 3 under the bus.

 

 

48 minutes ago, PirateHookerMD said:

 

Bean has said that they had a few guys they liked and would have taken. Im sure Darnold would have been the guy if they had the first pick. 

 

Well we know who it wasn't going to be,Rosen or Jackson.

[GunnerBill]

Oh it is the boring Josh Rosen character game again. Yawn. I will myself up when he is throwing touchdowns in the postseason. Kid is gonna be great. 

[Adam727]

So the Browns who were supposedly considering Allen at #1 overall actually had him ranked 5th (or lower) behind the other top 4 QBs.  And Arizona who we supposedly had to outbid for Allen at 7 wasn't willing to part with even one 2nd round pick to move up for a QB..

 

I think I need to stop reading football related articles for a few weeks.  I keep waiting for the disappointment from the draft to wear off but articles like this one don't help.  

 

I really hope Beane turns out to be the smartest person in the room and makes all his doubters look stupid, but it feels more and more like there weren't many GMs other than Beane that thought very highly of Allen..  

 

 

Edited April 30, 2018 by Adam727

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said:

That's kind of a ridiculous article. Someone tells him he should go ask Rosen's girlfriend, then he doesn't go ask her, but he thinks that's a bad sign? I am personal friends with both Troy Aikman's college GF of several years and Aaron Rodgers college gf of a few years, they are both awesome women, and I wouldn't take their word for whether they were good guys or not, or whether or not it was a good idea to draft them.

 

Oh, I'd talk to 'em.    I used to get all sorts of good gouge that helped me better manage people who worked for me from their SOs.  I wouldn't stalk them or call them up or anything off-bounds like that, but if I called to speak to them (this was before most people ditched landlines) or they were trying to reach them away from their desk at other numbers we had, I'd be friendly and let them talk.  Not that I'd take it for gospel or let myself be told anything too personal, but sometimes things said would go "clickclick" and fall into place with something I'd noticed or be "hmmmm, so that might be why that assignment didn't work out too well".  Just stuff that helped me be a better manager and help people succeed.

That's why it's so weird to me that this guy was offered basically a chance for a casual chat with a Rosen girlfriend and he passed it up.  I wouldn't take her word for whether he's a good guy or not and certainly not ask her opinion on whether it's a good idea to draft him, but it would be a source of insight from someone ID'd as close to the guy.

[PIZ]

53 minutes ago, PirateHookerMD said:

As someone nervous about Allen but on the train, I don't love hearing they had him 5th...

 

It's the Browns.  Until they prove otherwise, they're still the Browns.

 

[Golden Goat]

8 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

It's the Browns.  Until they prove otherwise, they're still the Browns.

 

True. But until USC proves it can develop a QB who can play in the NFL, it's still USC.

[Inigo Montoya]

1 hour ago, PirateHookerMD said:

 

Bean has said that they had a few guys they liked and would have taken. Im sure Darnold would have been the guy if they had the first pick. 

 

I think that is right.  They asked Beane if Allen was their first choice and he declined to answer the question.  Leads me to believe that Darnold was their first choice.  I don't imagine Mayfied was ahead of Allen too, but you never know.  Clearly Rosen wasn't.

 

I give kudos to Beane for not lying and saying that Allen was first on their board when he wasn't.  It would have been easy for him to lie and say Allen was first.  I respect people who shoot straight and this was an instance where it would have been easier for him to lie... and he didn't.

 

I have really been impressed with Beane and McDermott. Not just their football moves as far as the roster goes, but also the straight forward way they conduct themselves.   For the first time in a long time, I feel like we have a management team that can be successful.  I'm optimistic for the future. 

Edited May 1, 2018 by Inigo Montoya

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said:

He worked his ass off, was fearless under the rush, and got murdered on and for that team. Never did a thing selfish on the field. Was VERY prepared, super smart, studied film. The "selfish" is just stupid criticism. 

What bothers me is that there is an insinuation made in public about a prospect that shouldn't have been made public. There is no need for someone from an organization to "hint" that there were questionable personality traits that factored in to why he wasn't selected by the Browns. It seems to be unfair and unprofessional. There was no need for it.

 

Especially because of the position it is certainly understandable why a person's personality is considered when selecting a prospect. His personality is different from Mayfield's and the other qbs he was vying with. If his less than warm or congenial personality is a reason which contributed to separating him from another prospect then so be it. There's nothing unfair about it. But what is unfair is making a public aspersion  on a player when it wasn't necessary. That to me is unprofessional. 

[4BillsintheBurgh]

2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

That's kind of a ridiculous article. Someone tells him he should go ask Rosen's girlfriend, then he doesn't go ask her, but he thinks that's a bad sign? I am personal friends with both Troy Aikman's college GF of several years and Aaron Rodgers college gf of a few years, they are both awesome women, and I wouldn't take their word for whether they were good guys or not, or whether or not it was a good idea to draft them.

I'm assuming the issue was the volleyball coach had nothing good to say, which seems like it would be a red flag. He's probably asked other sport coaches before and the input was at some level useful to him. It even seems this particular coach would have more contact with Rosen since he's probably around the volleyball team a little more often.

[transient]

All I got from this article is that Highsmith has been smacked in the head so many times he can’t tell the difference between Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson when he tries to name drop when attributing a well known quote.

 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

Oh it is the boring Josh Rosen character game again. Yawn. I will myself up when he is throwing touchdowns in the postseason. Kid is gonna be great. 

 

You know, I’m starting to wonder.  I was convinced he was the guy for us at 7 and I’ve been pissed about it since.  And I tend to agree with the notion that these supposed character concerns are made-up and overblown around draft season, and Highsmith’s knife-twist seems unprofessional and unfair.

 

But yet... I’m starting to wonder.  Something about these stories is starting to stick with me.  I suspect there is more that Highsmith didn’t say.  It does seem like Rosen just isn’t very well-liked, regardless of what his left tackle has to say about it... 

 

There is something there, I think.  

[BadLandsMeanie]

Well this is a good thread for me. I'm starting to see that something isn't right here. There is something different.

 

As has been mentioned it is outside the bounds of professional, or even adult, behavior, for Highsmith to have said what he did. And it is the same vague, no substance, non-specific whispery kind of gossipy stuff that implies that they secretly know more, but won't say. We have some poster or two in this thread with the same sort of thing. Never specific. Never a verifiable event. Always just the "If you knew what I know, you wouldn't like Rosen either".

 

But we got guys like Jameis Winston who had way worse stuff alleged and also worse stuff that was proven, who went #1. So besides the stealing and alleged raping he was a heck of a guy in college I guess.

 

I don't want to land on Baker especially but he was indeed drunk and did indeed run from and get arrested by the cops. Everbody loves him, and he goes #1 overall.

 

Joe Mixon here actually broke some poor girl's face. He is very strong and women's facial bones are not as strong. He hurt her bad. This was hushed up until it leaked out much later.

I guess besides things like this he is a joy to be around, right?

 

 

 

Josh Rosen on the other hand is so bad that his presence is near intolerable. But unlike the others, and unlike nearly every other college and NFL star,  who grow so used to having their misdeeds and behavior hushed up or ignored that some few even wind up thinking they can get away with murdering people. Josh Rosen is exposed as a trouble maker before, during, and now after the draft. And the evidence we get is this. He had a girl, in a hot tub.

 

 

He had an F Trump hat on.

 

He is inquisitive of his coaches and wants to understand the game. 

 

These are the specific charges against him. Everything else is whispers which I have to tell you, nearly always means lies.

 

But even if they are not, what is so different about Josh Rosen that he catches all this heat and EVERYBODY else doesn't? Even when they hurt people. Why is that? What is going on here? It seems very, very odd to me.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 1, 2018 by BadLandsMeanie

[nbbillsfan]

11 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

Well this is a good thread for me. I'm starting to see that something isn't right here. There is something different.

 

As has been mentioned it is outside the bounds of professional, or even adult, behavior, for Highsmith to have said what he did. And it is the same vague, no substance, non-specific whispery kind of gossipy stuff that implies that they secretly know more, but won't say. We have some poster or two in this thread with the same sort of thing. Never specific. Never a verifiable event. Always just the "If you knew what I know, you wouldn't like Rosen either".

 

But we got guys like Jameis Winston who had way worse stuff alleged and also worse stuff that was proven, who went #1. So besides the stealing and alleged raping he was a heck of a guy in college I guess.

 

I don't want to land on Baker especially but he was indeed drunk and did indeed run from and get arrested by the cops. Everbody loves him, and he goes #1 overall.

 

Joe Mixon here actually broke some poor girl's face. He is very strong and women's facial bones are not as strong. He hurt her bad. This was hushed up until it leaked out much later.

I guess besides things like this he is a joy to be around, right?

 

 

 

Josh Rosen on the other hand is so bad that his presence is near intolerable. But unlike the others, and unlike nearly every other college and NFL star,  who grow so used to having their misdeeds and behavior hushed up or ignored that some few even wind up thinking they can get away with murdering people. Josh Rosen is exposed as a trouble maker before, during, and now after the draft. And the evidence we get is this. He had a girl, in a hot tub.

 

 

He had an F Trump hat on.

 

He is inquisitive of his coaches and wants to understand the game. 

 

These are the specific charges against him. Everything else is whispers which I have to tell you, nearly always means lies.

 

But even if they are not, what is so different about Josh Rosen that he catches all this heat and EVERYBODY else doesn't? Even when they hurt people. Why is that? What is going on here? It seems very, very odd to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don’t think anyonr was afraid of drafting Rosen because he is a “troublemaker”, they were scared off because he is a jerk. If you are phenomenal QB, you can be a jerk and still lead a successful NFL team. But you have to be great; will Rosen be good enough to overcome this, we will find out.