GoBills808 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I have no issue with the Steelers having picked Rudolph in round 3. That's exactly where he should have been picked. It's the talk on this board of us picking him 22nd, or in some extremely stupid cases 12th overall that was completely insane. They had him graded as a top QB prospect is what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: I have no issue with the Steelers having picked Rudolph in round 3. That's exactly where he should have been picked. It's the talk on this board of us picking him 22nd, or in some extremely stupid cases 12th overall that was completely insane. I would post the "he's right" Morgan Freeman meme if I knew what I was doing. But yes. That is the issue. There has to be something to getting good value and those who wanted to draft this guy at 12 or 22 and are still clinging to the idea that he should have been picked in the first are just being illogical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I have no issue with the Steelers having picked Rudolph in round 3. That's exactly where he should have been picked. It's the talk on this board of us picking him 22nd, or in some extremely stupid cases 12th overall that was completely insane. The article does not say they "would have picked" it says they would have "strongly considered" You want to know WHY they would have strongly considered....THEY NEED A QB.....which is why they DIDNT wait and then reach for Mason. More then likely what would have happened is we come out of the draft without a 1st round qb which in many eyes would be a absolute disaster because at the 22nd pick there would have been a player rated higher on their boards (and then we would not have Edmunds) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 On 5/3/2018 at 9:38 AM, Chuck Wagon said: If Ben actually commits to 3-5 more years the Rudolph selection was worth it to eliminate his annual waffling on continuing to play. Hilarious and true. Nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I would post the "he's right" Morgan Freeman meme if I knew what I was doing. But yes. That is the issue. There has to be something to getting good value and those who wanted to draft this guy at 12 or 22 and are still clinging to the idea that he should have been picked in the first are just being illogical. We just don't know how Rudolph was rated by the organization. If the Bills rated him as a second round prospect from a value standpoint but were determined to come out of this draft with a qb then it isn't crazy to believe that they would have taken him with their second first round pick out of fear that he wouldn't be available in the second round. We now know that Rudolph was taken in the third round but most prognosticators pegged him as very likely to be taken in the second round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, JohnC said: We just don't know how Rudolph was rated by the organization. If the Bills rated him as a second round prospect from a value standpoint but were determined to come out of this draft with a qb then it isn't crazy to believe that they would have taken him with their second first round pick out of fear that he wouldn't be available in the second round. We now know that Rudolph was taken in the third round but most prognosticators pegged him as very likely to be taken in the second round. Agreed, but I would not feel good about the idea that all of the other teams in the league determined he was a third round pick (despite what the Steelers are telling us). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaista2k Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Wow this just shows this regime is completely clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 11 hours ago, GunnerBill said: If my source is right and Baker and Rosen were off their board and Rudolph was 3rd... but with a gap in where they valued him as compared to Darnold and Allen and Lamar was not 4th..... then the interesting question is who did the Bills like 4th? Kyle Lauletta? Mike White? Luke Falk? Yeah if your info is correct, would be interesting to see who they had at 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 On 5/1/2018 at 6:53 AM, SouthNYfan said: Ben contemplated retirement this off-season. I doubt he plays more than 2 years. I see no reason to pass on him if you think so highly of him. It's Rudolph fans trying to act like he was higher rated than a third, even to the Steelers. I have no doubt they are happy drafting him, but if they had a first round grade, and thought he could be the heir to Ben, they would have taken him sooner than they did. Do you have any examples of this happening? What the Steelers normally do is let the draft fall to them, especially in the first couple rounds. I think they have gone up for Polamalu, Santionio holmes and maybe Kendrell bell in the last 20 or so years? They evaluate the players and take guys who will help them win in the next year. I think the Rooney's learned the value of player evaluation between the 60's and the 70's and still see that as the most important factor in the draft. I think this is why Whaley was not all that concerned about getting a qb first and foremost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 1 hour ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: Do you have any examples of this happening? What the Steelers normally do is let the draft fall to them, especially in the first couple rounds. I think they have gone up for Polamalu, Santionio holmes and maybe Kendrell bell in the last 20 or so years? They evaluate the players and take guys who will help them win in the next year. I think the Rooney's learned the value of player evaluation between the 60's and the 70's and still see that as the most important factor in the draft. I think this is why Whaley was not all that concerned about getting a qb first and foremost. I'm not talking about trading up. I'm talking about not waiting until the third round for a guy they supposedly had a "first round grade" on. Letting a draft "fall to you" would be grading a guy, and not trading up higher than where you think he should go. If they felt he was a "first round grade" then why not take him in the second? I understand passing on the first because they might have had edmunds higher than Rudolph, for example, but it's extremely unlikely they had their second round pick as a first round grade as well, which meant Rudolph was rated below their second round guy, aka not a "first round grade" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Not looking like a good situation for Rudolph. Big Ben is acting like a Diva. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 I think Ben has only another year left in him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 14 minutes ago, wppete said: Not looking like a good situation for Rudolph. Big Ben is acting like a Diva. Yep I've said it a few times, but replacing a legend when you have marginal talent is not an ideal place to be. Especially if said legend does not want you there. Rudolph will be on waivers in three years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 As they should have ! The kid has a lot to work with & can improve in the places he lacks in so why wasn't he considered i think he will eventually make a good NFL starter !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 52 minutes ago, wppete said: Not looking like a good situation for Rudolph. Big Ben is acting like a Diva. Ben has pretty much always been a jerk. 35 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Yep I've said it a few times, but replacing a legend when you have marginal talent is not an ideal place to be. Especially if said legend does not want you there. Rudolph will be on waivers in three years. Seems like favre-rodgers, only Rudolph isn't even half the prospect Rodgers was 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 47 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Ben has pretty much always been a jerk. Seems like favre-rodgers, only Rudolph isn't even half the prospect Rodgers was Make that a two time Super Bowl Champion Jerk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Klaista2k said: Wow this just shows this regime is completely clueless. Pittsburgh had a first round grade on Rudolph too. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/29/steelers-ranked-mason-rudolph-alongside-first-round-quarterbacks/ http://www.steelers.com/news/labriola-on/article-4/Labriola-on-Day-2-of-the-NFL-Draft/e9d81eb3-73ec-4413-80f5-7be05c73f237 " They found they liked Rudolph so much that they placed a first-round grade on him, but when it came time to make their No. 1 pick they went with another guy with a first-round grade who filled a more pressing need: safety Terrell Edmunds. Rudolph wasn’t picked in the first round, and the Steelers believed it was prudent to fill their hole at wide receiver when their turn came around in the second round. When Rudolph wasn’t picked in the second round, either, and things moved into Round 3, the Steelers started to believe they had to find a way to capitalize on this unexpected opportunity." - Steelers.com Does Pittsburgh suck? How do they build, through the draft or fancy F/A signings? This regime has gotten the salary cap back in line next year, got rid of malcontents and found a way to motivate a lackluster roster into breaking a 17 year playoff hiatus but they 'are clueless' according to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Make that a two time Super Bowl Champion Jerk. Oh yeah. He can be a huge dbag if he wins a title for his team, I'm just saying it's not surprising he's being an a** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 5:18 PM, Kirby Jackson said: I’m on record that I would have been okay at 53 or 56 if the other 5 QBs were gone. I would have hated 22. This isn’t hindsight coming from me. It’s documented. Ive also said I would be surprised if he was picked in round one by anybody as he’s a completely normal day 2 prospect and after a huge free agency and first round run I’d be shocked if there were enough holes left for teams to go nuts overdrafting a lower upside guy like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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