Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 3:15 PM, Bills4life1924 said: That football looks huge in his hand Yep. Smallest hands of all the QBs in the 2018 draft at 9 and 1/8th. 1
John from Riverside Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yowza. A guy other teams passed over until the third round? Not feeling all warm and cosy about this idea. The good news is it didnt happen. Sometimes it just falls right for you.
Alphadawg7 Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 3:08 PM, NewEraBills said: Yep, this solidifies it for me. Their top 3 were: Darnold Allen Rudolph I doubt that was their overall top 3 ranking though on the board, maybe targets based on where they might get them, but I seriously doubt that Baker was not in their top 3. They met with Baker a lot, in fact, I think Baker was their top target personally, more so than Darnold. Just my opinion of course, but just going on what went down pre draft. I suspect their Board likely went: Baker, Darnold, Allen. Could have even been Baker, Allen, Darnold as they seem to have been very high on Allen. My bigger question is who they had at #4, 5, and 6 between Rudolph, Rosen, and Lamar. So I think with the Mason stuff, it was more about they would have strongly considered him at 22 if they didnt trade up and decided to go Edmunds at 12 then grab a QB at 22 where they would have expected Mason to still be on the board but maybe not the guys they had ranked ahead of him. I don't think it means he was the 3rd ranked QB on their actual draft board because Allen was certainly ranked ahead of him since they drafted him, and I don't see how they could possibly have Mason ahead of either Darnold or Baker either.
Klaista2k Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 The only one worth taking was Darnold IMO. I'm really starting to doubt this regime.
Roundybout Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Klaista2k said: The only one worth taking was Darnold IMO. I'm really starting to doubt this regime. Any reason you'd take Fumbles over someone like Rosen? 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 8 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: If Ben actually commits to 3-5 more years the Rudolph selection was worth it to eliminate his annual waffling on continuing to play. ....good point......3-5 more years is an eternity with him whining last year about possibly retiring.......so Colbert calls his bluff and picks Rudolph who I think certainly has some potential......sure Landry Jones was thought to be THE guy post Ben, but no comparison vs Rudolph IMO.....
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 If we're going to take a 3rd rounder in the 1st then we're !@#$ed with this regime but there is 0 way of knowing this for sure.
Klaista2k Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 10 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Any reason you'd take Fumbles over someone like Rosen? I was only talking about the QB's that the Bills liked (Darnold, Allen, Rudolph). I would've definitely taken Rosen over Allen.
GunnerBill Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 14 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I suspect their Board likely went: Baker, Darnold, Allen. Could have even been Baker, Allen, Darnold as they seem to have been very high on Allen. My bigger question is who they had at #4, 5, and 6 between Rudolph, Rosen, and Lamar. If my source is right and Baker and Rosen were off their board and Rudolph was 3rd... but with a gap in where they valued him as compared to Darnold and Allen and Lamar was not 4th..... then the interesting question is who did the Bills like 4th? Kyle Lauletta? Mike White? Luke Falk? 1
racketmaster Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 My feeling is that the Bills had 3 plans to draft a qb. A. Trade up for Darnold B. Trade up fro Allen C. If A and B fails, draft Rudolph
jrober38 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 Being willing to take a guy 22nd overall who the rest of the NFL deemed a 3rd round pick is a major concern in my eyes. 1
thebandit27 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Being willing to take a guy 22nd overall who the rest of the NFL deemed a 3rd round pick is a major concern in my eyes. By that same logic, you'd have been appalled at a team selecting Dak Prescott in the 1st round too--and you'd have been wrong. 1
jrober38 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: By that same logic, you'd have been appalled at a team selecting Dak Prescott in the 1st round too--and you'd have been wrong. You're right. I would have. I told people the talk of picking Mason Rudolph in round 1 was insane, and that he was more comparable to former 4th round picks like Bryce Petty and Landry Jones. He's a mediocre talent with hardly any upside, so the talk of picking him in the first round is extremely bothersome.
thebandit27 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: You're right. I would have. I told people the talk of picking Mason Rudolph in round 1 was insane, and that he was more comparable to former 4th round picks like Bryce Petty and Landry Jones. He's a mediocre talent with hardly any upside, so the talk of picking him in the first round is extremely bothersome. It's not bothersome to me...I personally wouldn't have picked Rudolph before round 3, but there are some of us that recognize that we aren't always right about QBs. Comparing what the rest of the NFL thought to what NFL Network says that Buffalo's GM would have considered really doesn't mean much. The rest of the NFL thought Dak Prescott was a 4th round pick and Russell Wilson was a 3rd round pick.
jrober38 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 Just now, thebandit27 said: It's not bothersome to me...I personally wouldn't have picked Rudolph before round 3, but there are some of us that recognize that we aren't always right about QBs. Comparing what the rest of the NFL thought to what NFL Network says that Buffalo's GM would have considered really doesn't mean much. The rest of the NFL thought Dak Prescott was a 4th round pick and Russell Wilson was a 3rd round pick. Right. And for every Russel Wilson and Dak Prescott there are ten 3rd/4th round QBs who are complete crap. Just because they picked a guy there doesn't make them "smart". If Dallas knew what they were getting from Prescott, they'd have picked him a lot earlier than the end of the 4th round. Ditto for the Seahawks picking Wilson in round 3.
GoBills808 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Being willing to take a guy 22nd overall who the rest of the NFL deemed a 3rd round pick is a major concern in my eyes. I'm going to go ahead and take the Steelers' scouting team's opinion over yours, no offense.
jrober38 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 Just now, GoBills808 said: I'm going to go ahead and take the Steelers' scouting team's opinion over yours, no offense. I have no issue with the Steelers having picked Rudolph in round 3. That's exactly where he should have been picked. It's the talk on this board of us picking him 22nd, or in some extremely stupid cases 12th overall that was completely insane.
John from Riverside Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 19 hours ago, Klaista2k said: The only one worth taking was Darnold IMO. I'm really starting to doubt this regime. LOL a year after making the playoffs
MrEpsYtown Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: By that same logic, you'd have been appalled at a team selecting Dak Prescott in the 1st round too--and you'd have been wrong. I think Dak is very overrated, but still a lot better than Rudolph. I don't think he is a first round quarterback, but I would have taken him in the second or third. Rudolph is a 3-4 to me. I posted this a couple weeks ago: Popular thought is that Dak is really good. He really isn't. He is ok. He is totally reliant on having a good supporting cast and can't really make plays when he is the man. I think he does still have some upside because he has the physical ability. If he doesn't make a huge jump, the Cowboys will be drafting another in a couple of years. http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article192404149.html https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/Bolt/Dak-Prescott-isnt-even-a-game-manager-110956037
thebandit27 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: Right. And for every Russel Wilson and Dak Prescott there are ten 3rd/4th round QBs who are complete crap. Just because they picked a guy there doesn't make them "smart". If Dallas knew what they were getting from Prescott, they'd have picked him a lot earlier than the end of the 4th round. Ditto for the Seahawks picking Wilson in round 3. Yeah... that's the point Despite how much you yell and tout your QB-related genius, you don't know how Rudolph will end up. If he ends up being a franchise guy, then the team that would've picked him at 22 looks smart.
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