SoCal Deek Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Everyone seems really high on the Bills defense but I've yet to see anyone list our starting eleven in a 4-3 base defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Not to be a Debbie Downer but... We were in the bottom half of offensive yards gained and defensive yards allowed last year. We've got a lot of work to do. Even if our defense manages to jump into the upper half of the rankings this season, it won't be enough to carry a weak offensive unit into the playoffs. I do agree that our D will be better this year. But I don't see it as a top ten squad yet. The front 7 as a whole was not stellar last year and while Star is a welcomed addition, he hasn't been dominant lately. And I'm not sure we have enough good DBs when you consider there are 5 or more on the field on most plays. Really hope I'm wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Pass rush, LB and CB depth still a concern. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Our defense should be fun to watch. They created a lot of turnovers with zero pressure last year. I expect sack totals to double. And our run defense will be much improved. If we can run the ball, our defense will take us to playoffs IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 There are still questions at LB. Edmonds likely starts day one but who knows what kind of rookie issues he will have. The LB Corp’s was the weakness of the D last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Son Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Leslie Frazier is extremely underrated by this fan base, IMO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, ngbills said: Pass rush, LB and CB depth still a concern. They addressed pass rush by bringing in Star, Murphy and drafting Phillips. Our DT rotation should be a handful, opening up the pass rush from Hughes, Murphy, Yarborough and "hopefully" an improved Lawson. LB depth could be a concern, but they signed Strickland and seem high on Vallejo. Humber and Lorax are fine out there for this year with the speed of everyone else. CB depth? I don't see the problem. We have Poyer/Hyde with Bush/Neal at Safety and White/Davis with Johnson in the slot and P. Gaines as depth. Our defense is pretty loaded. You can't have studs and starters as depth all over the field in a salary cap league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Who do we have that's going to keep gazelles like Blake Bortles from running all over us? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 43 minutes ago, SWATeam said: D should be very strong. Strong D and a good run game is a pretty great formula for bringing a young QB along. Who are the pass Rushers? Hughes always tries going too wide...Lawson has not shown anything with this regime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Just now, Gugny said: Who do we have that's going to keep gazelles like Blake Bortles from running all over us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: They addressed pass rush by bringing in Star, Murphy and drafting Phillips. Our DT rotation should be a handful, opening up the pass rush from Hughes, Murphy, Yarborough and "hopefully" an improved Lawson. LB depth could be a concern, but they signed Strickland and seem high on Vallejo. Humber and Lorax are fine out there for this year with the speed of everyone else. CB depth? I don't see the problem. We have Poyer/Hyde with Bush/Neal at Safety and White/Davis with Johnson in the slot and P. Gaines as depth. Our defense is pretty loaded. You can't have studs and starters as depth all over the field in a salary cap league. Lorax will be a downgrade..He appeared to have lost a step last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 18 minutes ago, BrotherChazz said: In general, the D is looking good. Hopefully Murphy boosts our pass rush, and Shaq starts producing more. Based on the film I've seen of Edmunds, it's going to take some time to come into his own. Obviously Milano is a good young player, but outside of that we're looking at LorAx and Humbert. We'll definitely need to make an upgrade next offseason. Lorax and Humbert are slow and old. And We'll all be crossing our fingers that Vontae can stay Healthy. Lorax was basically the best player on the field in that playoff game, so I know the guy can still play somewhere. I wouldn't fully discount his ability to play Sam and add some edge rushing rotation. 1 minute ago, ganesh said: Who are the pass Rushers? Hughes always tries going too wide...Lawson has not shown anything with this regime Murphy, lorax and probably yarbrough.. honestly like all of them just gotta collapse the pocket more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Son Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, ganesh said: Who are the pass Rushers? Hughes always tries going too wide...Lawson has not shown anything with this regime I like Trent Murphy and I'm higher on Shaq than most. I'm also hopeful that LoRax will be a situational pass rusher at DE, not a LB. I think Hughes had a down year due to being the only pass rush threat. Hopefully he can get more 1 on 1's this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overdue Bill Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 49 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I am also keeping an keen eye on the salary cap. We should have plenty of money and some great WRs potentially hitting free agency. My biggest worry is that we push Allen out too fast before he is ready, and he gets the EJ treatment: a freak physical talent who needs to ride the bench for a while getting shoved into a situation with few WR targets and a poor O-line. Agree 100%...I think we can be competitive with AJ and a strong D. We need to develop Allen first...if the season is going south, we can get him some reps but we need to be thinking long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 48 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: Why'd you go and bring that up? Bills fan masochism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 30, 2018 Author Share Posted April 30, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Solid unit seems about right. Not a top unit, but a solid one. Pass rush will still be an issue as well as team speed but teams shouldn't be able to run at will on us like they did last year way too many times. If Murphy is healthy and Lulutelei can push that pocket back a bit so that QBs can't step up as easily as they did last year, the sacks for Hughes and Murphy will come. Hughes must have set a record last year for near misses on sack opportunities. Edited April 30, 2018 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Everyone seems really high on the Bills defense but I've yet to see anyone list our starting eleven in a 4-3 base defense? DE - Jerry Hughes DT - Star Lotulelei DT - Kyle Willams DE - Trent Murphy OLB - Matt Milano ILB - Tremaine Edmunds OLB - Lorenzo Alexander CB - Tre'Davious White FS - Micah Hyde SS - Jordan Poyer CB - Vontae Davis Personally, I think that's a pretty good base D. Lotulelei will eat up double teams, which should have a trickle-down effect on the rest of our defense. Edmunds should elevate the defense, if all goes well, the same way that Kuechly massively elevates the Panthers defense. Keep in mind, though, that the Bills are likely to be in a nickle look more often than a 4-3 base. In that case, drop Alexander and add in Taron Johnson or Phillip Gaines. Edited April 30, 2018 by Logic 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 I think we've done a pretty good job in addressing sorely needed areas which is big bodies up front with Star and Harrison. Then added Murphy to help bring pressure on the other side. I think we have a chance at getting into the top 10 in points allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, SWATeam said: I like Trent Murphy and I'm higher on Shaq than most. I'm also hopeful that LoRax will be a situational pass rusher at DE, not a LB. I think Hughes had a down year due to being the only pass rush threat. Hopefully he can get more 1 on 1's this year. Murphy is coming back from a tough injury. I hope he recovers completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Logic said: DE - Jerry Hughes DT - Star Lotulelei DT - Kyle Willams DE - Trent Murphy OLB - Matt Milano ILB - Tremaine Edmunds OLB - Lorenzo Alexander CB - Tre'Davious White FS - Micah Hyde SS - Jordan Poyer CB - Vontae Davis Personally, I think that's a pretty good base D. Lotulelei will eat up double teams, which should have a trickle-down effect on the rest of our defense. Edmunds should elevate the defense, if all goes well, the same way that Kuechly massively elevates the Panthers defense. Keep in mind, though, that the Bills are likely to be in a nickle look more often than a 4-3 base. In that case, drop Alexander and add in Taron Johnson or Phillip Gaines. I think Alexander will see the field more as a pass rushing DE, rotating with that unit a lot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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