Annoyed at the negativity

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Go through the boards.. do you no how many posts people have compared the 2? not because of what the GM's have said but flat out comparing them? its pretty easy to come to that conclusion that that's what he is getting to.  Go to the Josh Allen thread and read down each page how many different people have compared him to JP or EJ? lots.  Its not a leap when you have seen it many times on these boards Gunner. Why does it matter what the GM says about the QB? its what the QB does when he its the fields that matters. I can care less what our GM says about the guy cause its just a GM flapping his lungs making a QB pick look good. nothing more nothing less.

 

FWIW, I see it the same way Gunner does.  I think most of us know that EJ Manuel was a very different QB coming out .... he had a high completion % that was inflated by the spread, air-raid type offense he played in.  He was said at the time almost universally to have "zip code accuracy" and to be used to making half-field reads or 1 read and run.

 

Most can see that Allen has a very different background ....he played in a much more pro-style offense under center (albeit one with some RPO elements), he was expected to read the D and make at least some protection calls, and he can have pin-point laser accuracy when he's on.

 

The thing that's "goring my ox" is the same thing that's goring Gunner's ox - just how similar the rhetoric from our front office is - all the praise of Allen's incredible arm strength and physical attributes and work ethic, and no commentary about his ability to, you know, do the things a successful NFL QB has to be able to do - like read a defense before and after the snap, make correct and fast progress through his reads, make good decisions about where to throw, and throw consistently and accurately.

 

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

the thing that bugs me is smug ignoramuses like Schopp and White whose argument is pretty much as follows:

1) The Bills made the WRONG MOVE by drafting Allen.

2) You CANNOT disagree because all the DATA show clearly that it was a bad move.

3) Therefore, Beane was wrong.

4) If Allen is good people will be happy, but it was still the WRONG MOVE anyway, and they just got lucky.

 

I mean, really. LOL

 

or MAYBE Beane knows what he is doing and watched the tape and scouted the kid more than radio hosts and fans did, and therefore had more comprehensive DATA at his disposal that none of us (even the great Jeremy White) had.

 

That is entirely possible, and it may be that Beane feels comfortable he has inside gouge on Allen that makes him comfortable the kid really can make consistent throws and make NFL level decisions.  Butcha know, it would help fans a lot if he would say so then

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

FWIW, I see it the same way Gunner does.  I think most of us know that EJ Manuel was a very different QB coming out .... he had a high completion % that was inflated by the spread, air-raid type offense he played in.  He was said at the time almost universally to have "zip code accuracy" and to be used to making half-field reads or 1 read and run.

 

Most can see that Allen has a very different background ....he played in a much more pro-style offense under center (albeit one with some RPO elements), he was expected to read the D and make at least some protection calls, and he can have pin-point laser accuracy when he's on.

 

The thing that's "goring my ox" is the same thing that's goring Gunner's ox - just how similar the rhetoric from our front office is - all the praise of Allen's incredible arm strength and physical attributes and work ethic, and no commentary about his ability to, you know, do the things a successful NFL QB has to be able to do - like read a defense before and after the snap, make correct and fast progress through his reads, make good decisions about where to throw, and throw consistently and accurately.

 

Yep. Beane whenever asked brings up the fact that he's big, has a great arm, and mentions that he's perfect for Buffalo because of the weather.  Not what you want to hear given the attributes that actually lead to QB success at the NFL level. 

[Fadingpain]

On April 30, 2018 at 7:11 AM, PrimeTime101 said:

So I get it. This was a tough draft for fans. 50% like Allen and the other 50% liked Rosen and you can twist those numbers to your liking.. I don't care that's not the point.

 

What exactly happened to getting behind your team? Allen is a Buffalo Bill now, Like it or not.. So why not support the decision and hope for the best? What is with these

people day after day with repeat threads of HATE towards the Bills organization as a whole or the GM? What is with everyone with there crystal balls KNOWING he will be

an ALL PRO or a BUST? What is with comparing Allen with all our past failed QB's as if they were linked? As if this is the same GM "the same old Bills" making the "same

old bad mistakes"..

 

Come on here and complain about the pick after a year or two when we see how good or bad Allen actual is? can we actually just do that?

 

I have been a Bills fan since my first game I want to back in 1979 and have stayed with them good or bad. I Laughed, gotten mad and even cried over the first SB loss.

to many people on these boards have forgotten what being a sports fan really means. You back your team up good or bad, you back up the decisions GM and coaches

makes until they screw it up.

 

You shout! You Holler! You Swear! You Cry! You Laugh! You Clap! You complain about everything big or small but at the end you support the team!

 

Go out there and support our team.. Support the Allen pick at least until you 100% Know he is bad.. then come on these boards and be negative.

 

I support the Buffalo Bills

 

 

Thank you for the read and I will accept what ever opinion you Have

because its your right. Just don't forget the execution comes after the judgement

You're annoyed by negativity so you start a negative thread attacking 50% of the fan base.

 

Cool.

 

 

[jaybee]

Whats hilarious is no one has a clue if a QB (or any position) is going to be successful in the NFL.....yet they say bad pick.... blah'......blah.....blah.  As though they are a professional scout.  They dont know Jack, they are just keyboard cowboys and that will never change.

 

I have no idea if Josh will be successful and as far as I'm concerned they can start Orville Reddenbacher and I'll be cheering hard as I've done for the Buffalo Bills my entire life.

 

FO had their reasons for doing what they did and I support it fully as I would no matter who they selected.

 

Go Josh.  Go AJ.  Go Nathan

 

GO BILLS.

 

 

Edited May 1, 2018 by jaybee

[Buddy Hix]

I’m guessing we are all rooting for Allen to turn into a player, as we are all Bills fans.

 

But the draft was a few days ago and the dissecting of the decision is perfectly normal.  For instance, I just read in another thread about how Allen has had major reconstructive surgery on a collar bone he’s broken twice. My reaction was “I really hate this pick.” Is that not allowed or preferred?

[Lurker]

11 minutes ago, jaybee said:

Whats hilarious is no one has a clue if a QB (or any position) is going to be successful in the NFL.....yet they say bad pick.... blah'......blah.....blah.  As though they are a professional scout.  They dont know Jack, they are just keyboard cowboys and that will never change.

 

Actually, that's just the way YOU take it.   

 

People expressing an opinion that Allen has warts that may derail his career--and that another guy would have been a better pick--are not saying they know more than professional scouts.   They're saying, [fill in blank] was a better pick IMO and Allen has warts.   You may not agree, but it's no more hilarious than your take...

 

Edited May 1, 2018 by Lurker

[The Now Moment]

Does it make us a kool-aid drinker if I generally think Allen is much better than people give him credit for and have been saying this for months?  I like the players that they drafted.  I've questioned some moves but they have a vision and at the end of the day, they are the ones that have the blueprints, not us.  Nobody jumped for joy when Poyer was signed.  So many said he was an overpaid backup.  The regime has shown the ability to find guys that fit what they want to do.  Let's hope that it continues with this draft and moving forward.

[Nihilarian]

It was more like Bandit, Metz and myself liked Allen and the rest loved Rosen...the chosen.

 

Most of the board wanted the Bills to trade up to the #2 spot to draft Rosen.

[theRalph]

On 4/30/2018 at 7:43 AM, Rosen-not-Chosen said:

A bunch of hate speak. Just freaking stop. 

The current regime has done nothing but reshape the roster and break a generation long playoff drought. Now they’ve drafted the most promising QB since J.K.  There is no filament connecting them to earlier regimes. Rinse your brain of these myths and join us. All Bills fans deserve compassion. Especially haters.

Rosen is a punk. He would’ve never survived The Process...he couldn’t even be a pro when he was 4th off the board...he ranted like a spoiled insolent dip schmit. 

 

All of you that wanted Rosen really don’t have any idea that it WAS NEVER A REMOTE POSSIBILITY.

[Green Lightning]

3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Yep. Beane whenever asked brings up the fact that he's big, has a great arm, and mentions that he's perfect for Buffalo because of the weather.  Not what you want to hear given the attributes that actually lead to QB success at the NFL level. 

It's a terrible sales job. I remember the team at the time saying the same thing about JP losman.  I'm sick of this weather strong-arm crap. I just want a quarterback who can make a God damn pass on a slant or seam route and actually lead the receiver and be accurate. I didn't think it was asking for that much.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

You're annoyed by negativity so you start a negative thread attacking 50% of the fan base.

 

Cool.

 

 

 

Just the ****ty 50%.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

It's a terrible sales job. I remember the team at the time saying the same thing about JP losman.  I'm sick of this weather strong-arm crap. I just want a quarterback who can make a God damn pass on a slant or seam route and actually lead the receiver and be accurate. I didn't think it was asking for that much.

 

 

..can you let us know how you know we did not land one?......I'm thinking your NFL resume' may serve as a starting point so we can look "up to" whom we are dealing with.....we need to respect those deserving.....the swamp gets thicker.....it's the muck...........

Edited May 1, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

..can you let us know how you know we did not land one?......I'm thinking your NFL resume' may serve as a starting point so we can look "up to" whom we are dealing with.....we need to respect those deserving.....the swamp gets thicker.....it's the muck...........

Wait .....  I’m getting confused.   

 

Are we complaining about the people complaining of the Bills players or just the Bills players and FO?

 

 

[John from Riverside]

Havent read through this......Im perfectly ok with the show me the baby crowd.

 

Lets just make sure that our crit is realistic.  

 

I need to see it because while I love Allen's physical talent Im bothered that he did not dominate against low level competition....yes that can be explained away but I need to see it.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Wait .....  I’m getting confused.   

 

Are we complaining about the people complaining of the Bills players or just the Bills players and FO?

 

 

 

 

....wake up bro!...complaining for the sake of complaining is en vogue.....Allen, McBeane, sunny and 80 degrees today, Brandon's exit because of an alleged errant wanker, Josh Rosen as the new Bills Prez when he declines 'Zona, etc....what the hell ELSE do you want?....your demands are nearing "over the top territory".......Jesus..........

[Green Lightning]

11 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

..can you let us know how you know we did not land one?......I'm thinking your NFL resume' may serve as a starting point so we can look "up to" whom we are dealing with.....we need to respect those deserving.....the swamp gets thicker.....it's the muck...........

I pray we have. Just nothing I've seen in his career or game tapes shows that we have. Maybe they can fix it -fix his footwork, fix his processing speed, fix why his QB rating dips by 50% when he's blitzed, and life will be dandy. I sure hope so. So to your point, I don't know if we have or not. I just think the other choice we had would have been better suited and had such a resume. I've seen a lot of QB projects come and go at One Bills Drive and to me this is another one. I really hope it works.

[Threedollabills]

On 2018-04-30 at 7:23 AM, Niagara Dude said:

Losers of draft by NFL.COM

 

Buffalo Bills: The Bills traded out of their No. 10 overall pick a year ago, passing on the chance to draft Patrick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson in favor of amassing draft capital. This season, the Bills usedsignificant draft capital to trade up for quarterback Josh Allen (moving from 12th overall to seventh). The kids would call that hustling backward, especially when Allen has an uphill climb just to surpass previous Bills quarterback Tyrod Taylor's level of production.

 

 

Bills fans will point to this being the first draft for GM Brandon Beane, who was hired last May, but that only emphasizes how tricky it is to come up with a cohesive roster when the GM and coach are always in flux. Allen could prove his skeptics wrong, and his athleticism is unquestionable, but Josh Rosen has clearly displayed a more obvious NFL skill set. Allen is reminiscent of a souped-up version of another Bills first-round quarterback: J.P. Losman, a player with accuracy issues who was a star in the pre-draft season because of his measurables. Losman was taken 22nd overall in the 2004 NFL Draft and proceeded to compile a 10-23 record in Buffalo.

I wonder if the 2004 Bills could've beaten Wyoming in 2016...think about it. Plus, Losman is NOT Allen in any way, shape, or form. Didn't Losman live in town and party all the time? Ask Eddie Yarborough about Allen. 

 

 

 

[muppy]

On 4/30/2018 at 6:32 AM, PrimeTime101 said:

 

I don't think your looking at the full picture.. and there are just as many positive judgements on this draft as negative so look at all the draft grades not just the few negative, few positives or in between. There is plenty of positive grades. double edged sword isn't it.. Lets just see how he comes out at end

and there you go. lol thanks for proving my original post true!

Go ahead and slam me for saying witch instead of which or small me for saying no instead of know.. I think you need to get over yourself .. and these replies.. these posts.. that you just said.. is EXACTLY what I am saying. Your living in the past and its your choice.. don't make it my choice..

lol sotier hasn't a clue as to just how textbook a case he made...for YOU ...lol WOW smh

[Nick the Greek]

On 4/30/2018 at 7:30 AM, Billsflyer12 said:

I am equaled annoyed that if you at all question your teams decisions, you are not a real fan.  Fandom is not blind loyality and shouldn’t be.

 

I am not huge fan of Beane or McD, and I hate the Allen pick.  I vented for a couple of days and explained why I hated it so much.  Yet, I am moving on.  I don’t have the energy or desire to keep fighting something I can’t change.

 

The Bills have been my team for 45 years.  It never has benn, or will never a be unconditional.  I will not like hires, picks and game plans, and that is ok.  I will voice my concerns when I feel they are really a true concern.

 

My excitement for the future took a big hit Thursday, but at end of day I will still be watching Sundays from here in Colorado.

Just curious, but why don’t you like McD or Beane? I mean, they are responsible for breaking that damn playoff curse. For the love of god, they are miracle workers. Embrace them taking the team to the playoffs finally after nearly 2 decades!!!!

 

[GunnerBill]

55 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

Does it make us a kool-aid drinker if I generally think Allen is much better than people give him credit for and have been saying this for months?  I like the players that they drafted.  I've questioned some moves but they have a vision and at the end of the day, they are the ones that have the blueprints, not us.  Nobody jumped for joy when Poyer was signed.  So many said he was an overpaid backup.  The regime has shown the ability to find guys that fit what they want to do.  Let's hope that it continues with this draft and moving forward.

 

No it absolutely doesn't. But equally the people who didn't like him before the draft are not negative haters. I don't see why Allen becoming a Bill should be enough to change anyone's mind on what they thought before so long as they had based that opinion on something solid in the first place. 

 

The only way minds should be changed is performance on the field. That is all that counts. Here is hoping Josh can change the minds of the people like me who find him concerning in many ways as a prospect.