EXACTLY why I think Beane blew the '18 draft. -Rd. 1

[mjt328]

I wasn't a huge fan of the Josh Allen pick (like many others, I really wanted Josh Rosen).

 

But at the very least, I'm happy this front office took a chance on a 1st Round QB prospect.  Without a franchise guy under center, we are spinning our wheels and going absolutely nowhere.  We can draft "studs" and "generational talents" at every other position on the field.  It does not matter without a quarterback.

 

 

Please name me ONE defensive tackle, offensive tackle or wide receiver in the last 25-30 years who carried his team to a Super Bowl.

 

There was a time recently that Detroit had the best WR in the game (Calvin Johnson) and the best DT in the game (Suh).  And that team still rode on the back of Matthew Stafford.  In fact, the team hasn't even missed them being gone since Johnson retired and Suh was let go in free agency.  Two of the BEST players in the game, and their true impact was marginal.

 

The best OT over the last decade (Joe Thomas) has been on the NFL's absolute worst team.  He is a future 1st ballot Hall of Famer, yet has made exactly ZERO difference in that team's success.  He just retired after helping carry the Browns to a 1-31 record in two seasons.  But I promise you, if Baker Mayfield only plays at an above-average level as a rookie, Cleveland's win-loss record will turn around overnight.

 

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

I wasn't a huge fan of the Josh Allen pick (like many others, I really wanted Josh Rosen).

 

But at the very least, I'm happy this front office took a chance on a 1st Round QB prospect.  Without a franchise guy under center, we are spinning our wheels and going absolutely nowhere.  We can draft "studs" and "generational talents" at every other position on the field.  It does not matter without a quarterback.

 

 

Please name me ONE defensive tackle, offensive tackle or wide receiver in the last 25-30 years who carried his team to a Super Bowl.

 

There was a time recently that Detroit had the best WR in the game (Calvin Johnson) and the best DT in the game (Suh).  And that team still rode on the back of Matthew Stafford.  In fact, the team hasn't even missed them being gone since Johnson retired and Suh was let go in free agency.  Two of the BEST players in the game, and their true impact was marginal.

 

The best OT over the last decade (Joe Thomas) has been on the NFL's absolute worst team.  He is a future 1st ballot Hall of Famer, yet has made exactly ZERO difference in that team's success.  He just retired after helping carry the Browns to a 1-31 record in two seasons.  But I promise you, if Baker Mayfield only plays at an above-average level as a rookie, Cleveland's win-loss record will turn around overnight.

 

 

 

Absolutely perfect.  IMO you just summarized a decade of debate on the franchise QB topic in a couple paragraphs to produce what should be the closing argument on the topic.  Well done!

[billsbackto81]

The only thing McBeane screwed up in this whole draft process was underestimating the Jets and letting them leapfrog them to #3. Kudos to NYJ for realizing the urgency and buying a top spot early to acquire a potential franchise QB when they knew others would be hovering like vultures. 

 

We may never know which QB of the  top 4 OBD wanted because they didn't secure a spot fast enough but one thing is certain, it wasn't Rosen like so many here wanted.

 

No, they are not taking a DT at 12 when they already acquired one in FA and the draft was pretty deep at that position to begin with. They ended up getting a highly touted DT anyway by being patient so kudos to them on that. At #22 options were available at WR and OL but when you see a blue chip LB still on the board (a BIG position of need I might add) you make the move. Edmunds is a beast, freak of nature type player who excels in coverage and sideline to sideline pursuit which is perfect for the McD scheme.

 

If Allen is the QB they wanted all along then they did outstanding not having to give up the other first pick  to get him. If they wanted Mayfield or Darnold , well they got gut punched. Personally I think Darnold is the only other QB they might have preferred over Allen. Darnold being the better QB while Allen being the better physical athlete.

 

Bills were not walking away from this draft without THEIR QB!   Going into the season with Mr. Katherine Webb, Peterman or (Rudolph, White, Lauletta, Ferguson or whoever else) wasn't going to cut it.   Hit us back in 3 years when it all pans out.

Edited April 30, 2018 by billsbackto81

[Forward Progress]

9 hours ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

Don't let this distract you from the fact that in 1966, Al Bundy scored four touchdowns in a single game while playing for the Polk High School Panthers in the 1966 city championship game versus Andrew Johnson High School, including the game-winning touchdown in the final seconds against his old nemesis, "Spare Tire" Dixon.

 

Bundy's knee was down on that final play.

 

Sincerely,

 

"Spare Tire" Dixon

[wppete]

This was a great draft. really excited about this draft class. Go Bills!

[yungmack]

4 hours ago, Shamrock said:

On a different note, I’m not a fan of including the trade down in the cost; Allen moved #12 to #7 at a cost of pick #53 & #56, Edmunds, was a swop or #22 to #16 for pick #65. But that’s not your issue...

 

The swop down is a not an insubstantial increase in player value/ worth, only 6 teams have picked whomever they want prior, leaving the talent pool, less 6. Pick #12 is 1500points, #7 is 1200points. How much do you value what 300 points may get you, time will tell. 

 

(So doing the draft calculator the move #12 to #7 cost us about #49 in the 2nd Rd- if we had that pick. So a gamble cost us a 2nd Rd player on the ‘perceived’ player draft position and rankings worth. Again with Edmunds, the  swop of #22 to #16, cost us overall a gain of an additional 6th Rd, pick #190... 

Soooooo, all up Edmunds and Allen, a potential starting QB and 3down backer cost the worth of about #52 in the 2nd Rd of the draft rankings...   assuming we know that a 6th Rd not named Tom exists and that #1 overall isn’t a Couch or Russell- but this is just math from the ‘draft value board’.)

You're making my head hurt.

[nedboy7]

Avg at best draft. A total disaster if Allen is not a franchise QB w what was given up. The argument that at least they went for their guy is completely weak.  

[yungmack]

1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said:

 

Right look up Imbecile or simpleton. Fits you just fine

Please try to conduct yourself with at least a bit of decorum. 

[Mark80]

10 hours ago, #34fan said:

We stay put at 12, there's a clear shot at the best DT prospect, I think, since Marcell Dareus. -Da'ron Payne(#13 to WAS)... Even if Beane was just looking at NFL draft grades, he would have seen a significantly higher one for this kid... "Pro-bowl potential" is what I read on his breakdown... But hey,  -f___k what the self-interested league thinks! Let's look at film, and this kid's production in games.-Which is NUTS...  If there's a D-Tackle in CFB with a quicker get-off I sure  haven't seen it! -You won't see a ton of sacks because Payne spent the last two season soaking up the run, and drawing double teams at NT so other guys could finish...  He simply couldn't be single-blocked at the collegiate level... Harrison Phillips is a VERY good player, but Payne is just a phenomenon for an interior DL.

 

What a joke of a post, like usual.  This guy isn't even the best DT prospect in his own draft class.

[Bills Pimpin']

18 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Avg at best draft. A total disaster if Allen is not a franchise QB w what was given up. The argument that at least they went for their guy is completely weak.  

So it's average at best if Allen turns into a franchise QB, but a total disaster if he's not?typical bills negativity and a terrible take. How about this... It will be the best draft ever if Allen is a franchise QB and average if he's not. 

[Big Gun]

11 hours ago, #34fan said:

****LONG POST, but worth it, (i think)****

 

Some of you have gotten riled over my takes on these draft picks... You may think it's a matter of me simply  "not liking" these players, or "favoring" others which is total bullsh_t. I didn't like this draft because I saw a legit chance for this team to grab generational talent... The kids that get you to superbowls. -All OBD had to do, was NOT take the bait!  Justifiably, some of you are asking for an explanation, which I'll gladly provide in a round-by-round format.

 

Rd. 1

Josh Allen, 7th overall...Cost #12 #53 and #56 pick

In a word? -Disastrous. I didn't think any 2018 QB's could help BUF's situation, but I found this pick to be particularly bad. Not a single D1 program thought anything of this kid coming out of H.S.... In fairness, they could have missed something... Happens all the time.. Except no one liked him coming out of JC either! He ended up at WYO, but really wanted to play at Fresno State!

 

How bad did Allen want to play at Fresno State???

 

-Josh Allen wanted to play at Fresno State so bad, he wrote them a "pitch" letter throwing shade on a shorter, lighter, competitor. -It didn't work.

This is a kid, who in his BEST year as a D1 QB (2016) threw 28 TD's, AND led the Mountain West Conference with 15 picks! He's been a sub 60% passer at every playing level. -High School, JC, and College. He NEVER led WYO to a collegiate record better than 8-5! -Really? -Against such vaunted competition as San Jose State, and New Mexico?  Allen didn't throw as many picks (6) his final year, but his production as a passer also decreased dramatically from 3203 passing yards in '16 to 1812 passing yards in '17... I'll concede that sheer arm strength makes Allen an intriguing prospect, but ANY other year, and this kid is a mid-late 2nd round pick. However, the manipulative shield would have it's way. -With us, unfortunately.

 

Tremaine Edmunds, 16th overall... Cost #22 and #65

A pick I wasn't very fond of... Big guy? -Check. Fast guy? -Check. Tremendous athlete in general? -Check?  Personally, I don't think he diagnoses well enough (at his level)to merit the sacrifice... He frequently bit hard on fakes and mis-directions at the collegiate level... Plays won't get any easier to diagnose in the pros, and there's a chance he'll get exposed a lot... I can definitely see him as a passrusher ... Maybe stand-up 4-3 DE... My concern is that once these flaws are exposed, the coaching staff won't be able to effectively re-purpose his skill set.

 

What we missed out on.

We stay put at 12, there's a clear shot at the best DT prospect, I think, since Marcell Dareus. -Da'ron Payne(#13 to WAS)... Even if Beane was just looking at NFL draft grades, he would have seen a significantly higher one for this kid... "Pro-bowl potential" is what I read on his breakdown... But hey,  -f___k what the self-interested league thinks! Let's look at film, and this kid's production in games.-Which is NUTS...  If there's a D-Tackle in CFB with a quicker get-off I sure  haven't seen it! -You won't see a ton of sacks because Payne spent the last two season soaking up the run, and drawing double teams at NT so other guys could finish...  He simply couldn't be single-blocked at the collegiate level... Harrison Phillips is a VERY good player, but Payne is just a phenomenon for an interior DL. 

 

Had we we stayed put at 22, Stud Tackle Isaiah Wynn (#23 to NE) was waiting along with WR DJ Moore (#24 to CAR)  -Either pick helps this team win games from day one!  Wynn is an absolute mauler who finished a fabulous season (including the Senior Bowl) with a torn Labrum! This kid is going to keep your QB dry for YEARS, plus build a standard the rest of the line will have to follow! -BUF's O-line is in tatters after the departure of Wood, Glenn and Incognito...  However, If Wynn's injury scared you off, DJ Moore, had a skill set coveted by many NFL teams... Elite speed in pads, elusiveness, YAC for days... and reliable hands that consistently make difficult catches... In three years, this kid had 8 different QB's throwing to him including 3 true freshmen, and STILL was big-ten receiver of the year in 2017.  Who DOESN'T want that on their team?   -Brandon Beane. That's who.

 

Now flame your little hearts away.

 

 

 

 

 

Cool story bro, so so glad a real GM is calling the shots for the Bills.

[FearLess Price]

I think Beane had a solid draft. I just hated the QB pick. Allen over Rosen? Gross. Arizona has an almost cant miss franchise QB, and we got stuck with a lottery ticket whos floor is probably  EJ or Jamarcus Russel if u wanna be dramatic. Ceiling=Favre.

 

I hope JA surprises in preseason but i am really not feelin that pick.

[nedboy7]

1 hour ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

So it's average at best if Allen turns into a franchise QB, but a total disaster if he's not?typical bills negativity and a terrible take. How about this... It will be the best draft ever if Allen is a franchise QB and average if he's not. 

 

I agree with you. As I see it now the draft is avg at best. Not sure how you got to the conclusion that if Allen is an all pro it’s avg from my post. But whatever. Logic away as you see fit. 

[Malazan]

12 hours ago, Peace Frog said:

Interesting take you have there.  I won't flame you, though.  I liked our draft and thought Beane did an admirable job.  Are you sure you're not SaviorPeterman?

 

#34fan is one of the "hates everything the Bills do" guys here. He may be a fan of another AFC East team or just a miserable sod. It's unknown.

[prissythecat]

19 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

#34fan is one of the "hates everything the Bills do" guys here. He may be a fan of another AFC East team or just a miserable sod. It's unknown.

 

Nah. I think his purpose in life is to provide entertainment on this board .  After all, this is the same poster who took the position that Karlos Williams was a critical part of the Bills offense(the famous "Karlos is Key "  thread).     

[#34fan]

7 hours ago, Epstein's Mother said:

 

I don't think your point here makes much sense.  Normally in a draft year with a lack of QB talent (perhaps 2019) guys tend to move up the board unnaturally.  That certainly wasn't true this year at all as teams had their pick of a number of talented players.

 

Which teams? The QB-desperate Browns, Jets, Cardinals, and Bills... Those are the teams that really drove the market.  Every talking head on the shield's Network had a QB

going to the Jets, Browns, and Bills.

 

13 hours ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

Ok well you have a right to your opinion and I read your thoughts. I think you are wrong, but I hope you will stay on as a Bills fan and support our new draft picks and the team. 

 

Criticizing someone doesn't mean you don't support them...

 

12 hours ago, Logic said:

I couldn't help but notice the words "Round 1" in the title of this thread. Does that mean we get 6 more installments of the riveting series known as "exactly why I think Beane blew the draft"?! Surely we can't be that lucky!

 

 

13 hours ago, metzelaars_lives said:

Not true, he was 8-3 last year but nothing matters anymore so whatever.

 

The team record was, in fact,  8-5... Allen was at the helm for losses vs. Oregon, Iowa, and Bois State.

[Epstein's Mother]

4 minutes ago, #34fan said:

Which teams? The QB-desperate Browns, Jets, Cardinals, and Bills... Those are the teams that really drove the market.  Every talking head on the shield's Network had a QB

going to the Jets, Browns, and Bills.

 

There are QB desperate teams every year.  10 teams are set, 10 are OK and 12 would sell their soul to draft a franchise QB.

[#34fan]

1 hour ago, prissythecat said:

 

Nah. I think his purpose in life is to provide entertainment on this board .  After all, this is the same poster who took the position that Karlos Williams was a critical part of the Bills offense(the famous "Karlos is Key "  thread).     

 

 NOTHING about that thread proved to be false!

 

Karlos was, in fact,  an effective weapon who at one point, led the league in yards per carry, He was a backup RB who poured in 9 TD's, 7 of which came from his first 6 games.

 

The Bills went from a .500 season with Karlos, to Sub .500 the following year... The regime that cast him off totally crashed and burned!

 

All that thread was about was Karlos being awesome if he stayed healthy (Which mentally, he couldn't.) and if  he stayed out of trouble, which was a concern I voiced in the thread!

 

People not knowing how to read, is the real problem... Some can't separate opinions from reports, or "takes" from actual facts.

 

 

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, FearLess Price said:

I think Beane had a solid draft. I just hated the QB pick. Allen over Rosen? Gross. Arizona has an almost cant miss franchise QB, and we got stuck with a lottery ticket whos floor is probably  EJ or Jamarcus Russel if u wanna be dramatic. Ceiling=Favre.

 

I hope JA surprises in preseason but i am really not feelin that pick.

Ned

I think that was the whole point.....they were not taking a swing for a "good qb" they are looking for an elite one.

 

I was a Rosen camp too......but I would have been lying last week if I said the injuries he had in college were not bothersome.

 

Just gonna have to see how it plays out

[Bills757]

Not gonna flame the OP because everybody has a right to their opinion.  I will say, like another poster pointed out, the OP concentrates on the flaws of the players he wants to criticize while hyping the players he likes for their strengths.  It's a common strategy when making a point for sure.

 

The OP obviously doesn't give much credence to the coaches either considering it's their jobs to not only find talent but also develop talent.  Nobody can know whether or not the highly drafted guys will pan out, but suffice it to say they have very obvious skill sets that, if they develop, could help the Bills make the playoffs every year.  I think Beane could've done a whole lot worse in the draft IMO.