Solomon Grundy Posted January 16, 2019 Posted January 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Agree with Blokes about Cajuste. Not sure he goes top 5 but he definitely goes top 10 and is going to be the first offensive lineman taken. We have seen this before - the early offseason "consensus" top LT is a technician who probably has hit his ceiling already (Jonah) - they almost always get leapfrogged by an athletic riser who tests well at the combine and has room to grow into the position. That's Cajuste - his ceiling is higher than any other offensive lineman in the class. And it wouldn't shock me at all if the Bills are hoping he falls to 9 - he'd be the pick in a heartbeat. What's your thoughts on Cody Ford from Oklahoma? Quote
Aussie Joe Posted January 16, 2019 Posted January 16, 2019 4 hours ago, the skycap said: What's your thoughts on Cody Ford from Oklahoma? I was going to ask the same thing... I think he is going to be a riser through the combine/draft process... Quote
DCOrange Posted January 17, 2019 Posted January 17, 2019 Didn't see it posted yet, but Mel Kiper has released his first mock of the year: http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/insider/story/_/id/25773312/2019-nfl-mock-draft-mel-kiper-first-round-pick-predictions-rankings-draft-order Nick Bosa Josh Allen Quinnen Williams - Jets Greedy Williams Jonah Williams Dwayne Haskins Cody Ford Devin White Rashan Gary - "Could the Bills get their Kyle Williams replacement here? At his peak, the 6-foot-6, 283-pound Gary is a menace who makes offensive linemen look foolish, but you'd like to see him do it with more regularity. Gary could play end or nose guard in a 3-4 defense or tackle in a 4-3. Buffalo could look at centers or guards here; improving the interior of the offensive line should be a priority." DeAndre Baker Jawaan Taylor Clelin Ferrell Kyler Murray - Dolphins Ed Oliver Jachai Polite Brian Burns Jeffery Simmons Greg Little TJ Hockenson Devin Bush Oshane Ximines AJ Brown Byron Murphy Marquise Brown Montez Sweat Dexter Lawrence Irv Smith Jr. Christian Wilkins Daniel Jones - Patriots Dre'Mont Jones Deionte Thompson Parris Campbell 1 Quote
OldTimer1960 Posted January 19, 2019 Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) Disclaimer: I claim no expertise as a scout, but I’ve been watching football for 50 years and I am an avid draft fan. I watched some some game tapes of Iowa TE Noah Fant and I don’t think that I see a first round prospect there. He was consistently one of the last players moving at the snap - in one instance he was so late moving that it caused an INT. We know that he isn’t much of a blocker and , in the games that I watched, he didn’t show a lot of effort and polish in his routes. He is definitely an outstanding athlete, but I didn’t see it translate to being open and making many plays. For those that watch much more than a few games, what do you see and why is he considered to be a potential first round pick? Edited January 19, 2019 by OldTimer1960 3 Quote
GunnerBill Posted January 25, 2019 Posted January 25, 2019 Just did a Fanspeak mock... my first of the year..... usual rules I apply to myself when doing this..... never reach more than three spots down the board (used Matt Miller's Big Board). Wouldn't hate this outcome: 9: R1P9 OT JONAH WILLIAMS - ALABAMA 41: R2P9 WR DK METCALF - OLE MISS 71: R3P7 EDGE CHASE WINOVICH - MICHIGAN 113: R4P11 CB SAIVION SMITH - ALABAMA 131: R4P29 RB DEXTER WILLIAMS - NOTRE DAME 149: R5P10 LB TE'VON CONEY - NOTRE DAME 159: R5P20 WR PRESTON WILLIAMS - COLORADO ST 184: R6P9 TE JOSH OLIVER - SAN JOSE STATE 224: R7P8 EDGE JORDAN BRAILFORD - OKLAHOMA STATE 230: R7P14 OT MITCH HYATT - CLEMSON 2 Quote
WideNine Posted January 27, 2019 Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) On 1/19/2019 at 5:17 PM, OldTimer1960 said: Disclaimer: I claim no expertise as a scout, but I’ve been watching football for 50 years and I am an avid draft fan. I watched some some game tapes of Iowa TE Noah Fant and I don’t think that I see a first round prospect there. He was consistently one of the last players moving at the snap - in one instance he was so late moving that it caused an INT. We know that he isn’t much of a blocker and , in the games that I watched, he didn’t show a lot of effort and polish in his routes. He is definitely an outstanding athlete, but I didn’t see it translate to being open and making many plays. For those that watch much more than a few games, what do you see and why is he considered to be a potential first round pick? I don't think he is a locker room cancer guy, but the Iowa coaching staff are serious about how their TE's need to play. The rap on Fant was that he was taking a lot of plays off when they were not going his way, no desire to improve his blocking, and inconsistent hands. That is why Hockenson was their go-to TE down the stretch. Fant is incredibly athletic, but Hockenson is the more NFL-ready TE IMO. As with all things time will tell. The fact that the Iowa program has produced Kittle (breaking NFL receiving records), and now 2 more TE's that will both go in this draft - they are certainly doing something right there scouting and coaching these guys up. Edited January 27, 2019 by WideNine Quote
JohnC Posted January 27, 2019 Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/25/2019 at 10:02 AM, GunnerBill said: Just did a Fanspeak mock... my first of the year..... usual rules I apply to myself when doing this..... never reach more than three spots down the board (used Matt Miller's Big Board). Wouldn't hate this outcome: 9: R1P9 OT JONAH WILLIAMS - ALABAMA 41: R2P9 WR DK METCALF - OLE MISS 71: R3P7 EDGE CHASE WINOVICH - MICHIGAN 113: R4P11 CB SAIVION SMITH - ALABAMA 131: R4P29 RB DEXTER WILLIAMS - NOTRE DAME 149: R5P10 LB TE'VON CONEY - NOTRE DAME 159: R5P20 WR PRESTON WILLIAMS - COLORADO ST 184: R6P9 TE JOSH OLIVER - SAN JOSE STATE 224: R7P8 EDGE JORDAN BRAILFORD - OKLAHOMA STATE 230: R7P14 OT MITCH HYATT - CLEMSON You make me and NYCBill happy with your first pick. I would love to have Winovich but don't see him lasting to the third round. I see him more of a second round pick. Quote
The Senator Posted January 27, 2019 Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/25/2019 at 10:02 AM, GunnerBill said: Just did a Fanspeak mock... my first of the year..... usual rules I apply to myself when doing this..... never reach more than three spots down the board (used Matt Miller's Big Board). Wouldn't hate this outcome: 9: R1P9 OT JONAH WILLIAMS - ALABAMA 41: R2P9 WR DK METCALF - OLE MISS 71: R3P7 EDGE CHASE WINOVICH - MICHIGAN 113: R4P11 CB SAIVION SMITH - ALABAMA 131: R4P29 RB DEXTER WILLIAMS - NOTRE DAME 149: R5P10 LB TE'VON CONEY - NOTRE DAME 159: R5P20 WR PRESTON WILLIAMS - COLORADO ST 184: R6P9 TE JOSH OLIVER - SAN JOSE STATE 224: R7P8 EDGE JORDAN BRAILFORD - OKLAHOMA STATE 230: R7P14 OT MITCH HYATT - CLEMSON LOVE your 1st 3 picks. Am a bit worried about Savion Smith’ s poor performance in the title game, and the injury. IMHO, Dexter Williams seems a bit on the small side for RB. JMO. Does Coney have a marijuana issue? Also, Winovich needs a haircut. ? I’d be just fine with the rest of your picks. . Quote
GunnerBill Posted January 27, 2019 Posted January 27, 2019 27 minutes ago, The Senator said: LOVE your 1st 3 picks. Am a bit worried about Savion Smith’ s poor performance in the title game, and the injury. IMHO, Dexter Williams seems a bit on the small side for RB. JMO. Does Coney have a marijuana issue? Also, Winovich needs a haircut. ? I’d be just fine with the rest of your picks. . Again that was on the basis that I was accepting Matt Miller's big board as my own and saying no reaches more than 3 spots down the board. Quote
WideNine Posted January 27, 2019 Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/17/2019 at 10:18 AM, DCOrange said: Didn't see it posted yet, but Mel Kiper has released his first mock of the year: http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/insider/story/_/id/25773312/2019-nfl-mock-draft-mel-kiper-first-round-pick-predictions-rankings-draft-order Nick Bosa Josh Allen Quinnen Williams - Jets Greedy Williams Jonah Williams Dwayne Haskins Cody Ford Devin White Rashan Gary - "Could the Bills get their Kyle Williams replacement here? At his peak, the 6-foot-6, 283-pound Gary is a menace who makes offensive linemen look foolish, but you'd like to see him do it with more regularity. Gary could play end or nose guard in a 3-4 defense or tackle in a 4-3. Buffalo could look at centers or guards here; improving the interior of the offensive line should be a priority." DeAndre Baker Jawaan Taylor Clelin Ferrell Kyler Murray - Dolphins Ed Oliver Jachai Polite Brian Burns Jeffery Simmons Greg Little TJ Hockenson Devin Bush Oshane Ximines AJ Brown Byron Murphy Marquise Brown Montez Sweat Dexter Lawrence Irv Smith Jr. Christian Wilkins Daniel Jones - Patriots Dre'Mont Jones Deionte Thompson Parris Campbell Hmmmm....Oliver going 14th? The jacket incident aside, he won't drop that far. Has Hockenson at 19? I and a few others here really like Hock, but I hope other teams (NE) do not grade him this high or he will likely never see a Bills uniform. Shush Kiper. Quote
thunderingsquid Posted January 28, 2019 Author Posted January 28, 2019 I went all offense with the first 5 picks and kinda liked it: 9: R1P9 OT JONAH WILLIAMS ALABAMA 41: R2P9 TE NOAH FANT IOWA 71: R3P7 WR RILEY RIDLEY GEORGIA 113: R4P11 C ROSS PIERSCHBACHER ALABAMA 131: R4P29 G DRU SAMIA OKLAHOMA 149: R5P10 EDGE JALEN JELKS OREGON 159: R5P20 DL MARQUISE COPELAND CINCINNATI 184: R6P9 LB KENDALL JOSEPH CLEMSON 224: R7P8 RB BRYCE LOVE STANFORD 230: R7P14 CB JAMEL DEAN AUBURN Quote
sabooo87 Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 Ill take 2 trade.downs in a no talent year..load up..y not take..johnah williams.or ford(g)..at 1...dillard(,rtkl)or erick mccoy.(c) at 2...ogbuihay.(de).at 3...chandler jones clone..then risner(..otkl.)..my point is wr..lbk..is of no consequence..this year..talent has to come later in f.agency Quote
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 2, 2019 Posted February 2, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 9:37 AM, The Senator said: Winovich needs a haircut. ? As long as he doesn't go to Rob Ryan's barber. Quote
Richard Noggin Posted February 3, 2019 Posted February 3, 2019 On 1/28/2019 at 6:47 PM, thunderingsquid said: I went all offense with the first 5 picks and kinda liked it: 9: R1P9 OT JONAH WILLIAMS ALABAMA 41: R2P9 TE NOAH FANT IOWA 71: R3P7 WR RILEY RIDLEY GEORGIA 113: R4P11 C ROSS PIERSCHBACHER ALABAMA 131: R4P29 G DRU SAMIA OKLAHOMA 149: R5P10 EDGE JALEN JELKS OREGON 159: R5P20 DL MARQUISE COPELAND CINCINNATI 184: R6P9 LB KENDALL JOSEPH CLEMSON 224: R7P8 RB BRYCE LOVE STANFORD 230: R7P14 CB JAMEL DEAN AUBURN This is who YOU'D pick, right? Rather than who you think the BILLS will pick? Because recent history shows a mid-to-late round leaning towards underappreciated and/or smaller school guys. You're rocking all major school/conference prospects here. Also, you see Fant's athleticism far outweighing the quiet criticisms about his effort/grit, yes? 1 Quote
thunderingsquid Posted February 3, 2019 Author Posted February 3, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: This is who YOU'D pick, right? Rather than who you think the BILLS will pick? Because recent history shows a mid-to-late round leaning towards underappreciated and/or smaller school guys. You're rocking all major school/conference prospects here. Also, you see Fant's athleticism far outweighing the quiet criticisms about his effort/grit, yes? Absolutely. With Fanspeak s help. Edited February 3, 2019 by thunderingsquid Quote
Blokestradamus Posted February 8, 2019 Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) This whole TJ Hockenson as a top 10 pick thing is some kind of weird way of apologising to George Kittle and Iowa for not ranking him higher, right? I finally got to give him a good looking at and I expected this amazing fireworks display. Instead, it was one man holding a sparkler in the rain. Not entirely sure he's even the best TE on the Iowa roster, let alone in the class. There's flashes in the passing game that help me see why some might be tempted by him. Occasionally, he'll sink his hips and really explode out of his break. Other times, he seems to just slowly power down and go through the motions. I think his blocking still needs some work but his best reps in the run game are already NFL standard. I appreciate the enthusiasm but charging head down at blocks in the NFL will go really badly (even worse than him getting ragdolled vs Mississippi St). I do have some doubts about his grip strength as well, teams really attack the ball when he's a runner and I assume that's not some kind of shared delusion. I'm very much against tight ends in the 1st round as a matter of principle but I'd make the exception for someone special. Hockenson ain't special. Edited February 8, 2019 by Blokestradamus 3 Quote
CommonCents Posted February 8, 2019 Posted February 8, 2019 I’m against TEs on the first two days. They take too long to develop, are the hardest position to predict (outside of QB), take more hits than WRs. Sure, it would be great having a good tight end but it’s a complimentary piece. The Bills would be better off taking a WR early if they are worried about getting weapons for Allen. Easier to predict, get hit less, produce quicker. Quote
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 8, 2019 Posted February 8, 2019 On 1/15/2019 at 9:38 AM, JohnC said: What happened to RG John Miller? I thought he was going to be a mainstay player and play a position that we didn't have to worry about for a long time. Was it coaching, changing of schemes or just over-rating a player. And what are the prospects of Teller starting and being effective? If Miller can be salvaged and Teller slotted in then the overhaul of the line would be less of a task, assuming a tackle such as Cajuste or Jonah Williams can be added to the mix. I also contend that getting a tough between the tackle runner through free agency or the draft should be a priority. Recently a NFL analyst stated on the radio that the most important coaching job on a team was the OL coach. I believe that We have to get this staffing position right. ...I'm probably wrong but didn't PFT or PFF rate him as #2 at some point?......... Quote
JohnC Posted February 9, 2019 Posted February 9, 2019 52 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...I'm probably wrong but didn't PFT or PFF rate him as #2 at some point?......... I simply don't know about the rankings from PFT or any other rating service. It just seems to me that nothing that I have read or heard about him indicates that he has secured his guard position. If he remained on the roster and solidified his guard spot that would alleviate the necessity for nearly completely remaking the line. It just seems that this staff is not enamored with him. Maybe with a new OL and a different blocking scheme he might be in a better positions to succeed? As it stands I'm not sure he will be back. Quote
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 9, 2019 Posted February 9, 2019 10 hours ago, JohnC said: I simply don't know about the rankings from PFT or any other rating service. It just seems to me that nothing that I have read or heard about him indicates that he has secured his guard position. If he remained on the roster and solidified his guard spot that would alleviate the necessity for nearly completely remaking the line. It just seems that this staff is not enamored with him. Maybe with a new OL and a different blocking scheme he might be in a better positions to succeed? As it stands I'm not sure he will be back. ...read an article highlighting the top 10 OL UFA's and he was at #9...... Quote
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