Offensive Scheme

[CEN-CAL17]

Does anyone else feel as if we will be going to a New England style offense that emphasizes route running, quick hitters and getting the ball out quick on timing based routes.

 

It was mentioned Josh Allen has a quick release compared to Tom Brady.  It was said even if the accuracy isn’t there, because of the speed of the throw it allows less opportunity for defenders to break on a poorly thrown ball. The Bills have a handful of slot style WRs, a possession WR.

 

Everyone wanted that 4.3 WR yesterday. He never came. How successful was Brandon Cooks for New England? They prefer the Edelman, Amendola, Hogan precise route runners.

 

Bills have a huge Red Zone threat and a possession style WR who can box out defenders and a bunch of precision route runners.

 

Ray Ray and Austin Proehl says it all. Add Zay, Kerley and Streater. Even Reilly is a solid route runner.

 

Call me crazy but I think we are going to see a New England offense that doesn’t look for the big play vs get the ball out quickly with a lot of moving parts.

 

 

 

Edited April 29, 2018 by 1ZAYDAY1

[LeGOATski]

Allen's release is extremely quick.

 

If what you suggest is true, Allen will need to make a mental leap towards a more conservative mindset. One thing Allen constantly struggled with at Wyoming: not taking what the defense gave him.

 

He's always looking for the home run and often won't even throw the ball out of bounds when the play is dead.

 

Give him some time to learn this before starting him.

[billspro]

2 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Allen's release is extremely quick.

 

If what you suggest is true, Allen will need to make a mental leap towards a more conservative mindset. One thing Allen constantly struggled with at Wyoming: not taking what the defense gave him.

 

He's always looking for the home run and often won't even throw the ball out of bounds when the play is dead.

 

Give him some time to learn this before starting him.

 

I agree he was always looking for the big play. I think playing with guys like McCoy and Clay he will be more willing to take the check down because they have YAC ability. His teammates at Wyoming didn’t have that.

[bills11]

28 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:

Does anyone else feel as if we will be going to a New England style offense that emphasizes route running, quick hitters and getting the ball out quick on timing based routes.

 

It was mentioned Josh Allen has a quick release compared to Tom Brady.  It was said even if the accuracy isn’t there, because of the speed of the throw it allows less opportunity for defenders to break on a poorly thrown ball. The Bills have a handful of slot style WRs, a possession WR.

 

Everyone wanted that 4.3 WR yesterday. He never came. How successful was Brandon Cooks for New England? They prefer the Edelman, Amendola, Hogan precise route runners.

 

Bills have a huge Red Zone threat and a possession style WR who can box out defenders and a bunch of precision route runners.

 

Ray Ray and Austin Proehl says it all. Add Zay, Kerley and Streater. Even Reilly is a solid route runner.

 

Call me crazy but I think we are going to see a New England offense that doesn’t look for the big play vs get the ball out quickly with a lot of moving parts.

 

 

 

Not necessarily..the beauty of the Earnhardt Perkins scheme is its versatility ....I think daboll will run whatever scheme fits our personnel..at Bama last year he called alot of rpos..and alot more vertical shots than McDaniels calls in ne at this time .

[oldmanfan]

I agree.  It will fit McCarron well.  And eventually Allen.

[bills11]

8 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Allen's release is extremely quick.

 

If what you suggest is true, Allen will need to make a mental leap towards a more conservative mindset. One thing Allen constantly struggled with at Wyoming: not taking what the defense gave him.

 

He's always looking for the home run and often won't even throw the ball out of bounds when the play is dead.

 

Give him some time to learn this before starting him.

That's a good thing though..I think you can teach an aggressive qb to be more patient but I've never seen a safe checkdown artist be willing to attempt those more difficult throws 

[LeGOATski]

4 minutes ago, billspro said:

 

I agree he was always looking for the big play. I think playing with guys like McCoy and Clay he will be more willing to take the check down because they have YAC ability. His teammates at Wyoming didn’t have that.

His teammates at Wyoming didn't have home run ability, either.

 

They were able to get open plenty of times when Allen ignored them because he wanted to make a certain throw despite the coverage dictating otherwise.

 

A positive spin we can put on this is that Allen's inspiration ones from Favre. He quoted Favre as saying "touchdowns first."

2 minutes ago, bills11 said:

That's a good thing though..I think you can teach an aggressive qb to be more patient but I've never seen a safe checkdown artist be willing to attempt those more difficult throws 

Another positive spin you can put on it, I guess.

[Boatdrinks]

6 minutes ago, bills11 said:

That's a good thing though..I think you can teach an aggressive qb to be more patient but I've never seen a safe checkdown artist be willing to attempt those more difficult throws 

Good point. A reluctant passer of the football  ( Tyrod is the king of this) usually stays reluctant. 

[peterpan]

See I think that this makes no sense.    Josh Allen is not a quick decision, timing passer.  He is a deep ball, deep out, scramble in the pocket type guy.  With these two draft picks and the Kerley signing we now have three short little speedy guys.  

 

So why would we square peg him into a round hole???

 

Allen needs a vertical passing game more like the Steelers, not the Pats. He needs big targets that can compete for jump balls and inaccurate throws.  

 

The bills have had this problem across regimes; getting players who compliment each other.  Another example of this is us constantly jump back and forth between power run game and zone blocking.  

 

Ugh

[Boatdrinks]

Beane said that Dabolls scheme will depend on which QB they drafted. That makes all the sense in the world. Are they finished getting all the offensive players they need to run what he can do best? Probably not, but that isn't unexpected. This isn't a 15 minute makeover, it's a total rebuild. They probably can't get it all this season.  Two thirds of the roster has already been turned over since this time last year, there isn't anything else you can call it. Beane and Co are making sure that they will win or lose with their guys. Not the previous regime's. 

[Buffalo716]

I can’t see them drafting Allen and then playing some super conservative checkdown offense

 

that is the opposite of his game 

 

his is not made for 14 play drives... but for quick hitters

 

Allen said it himself,,, “Favre says TDs first “

[yungmack]

The essence of the Pats offense is a combination of rapid adjustment to the D once the play has begun, generally short passes quickly released before the D can do much about it using Gronk to stretch the coverage and, above all, extremely accurate throws by a QB who has never been identified as "strong-armed." In other words, the ideal QB to replicate it is Sam Darnold and the least likely QB to operate the Pats offense is Josh Allen.

[CEN-CAL17]

57 minutes ago, peterpan said:

See I think that this makes no sense.    Josh Allen is not a quick decision, timing passer.  He is a deep ball, deep out, scramble in the pocket type guy.  With these two draft picks and the Kerley signing we now have three short little speedy guys.  

 

So why would we square peg him into a round hole???

 

Allen needs a vertical passing game more like the Steelers, not the Pats. He needs big targets that can compete for jump balls and inaccurate throws.  

 

The bills have had this problem across regimes; getting players who compliment each other.  Another example of this is us constantly jump back and forth between power run game and zone blocking.  

 

Ugh

Nobody is excluding the deep post, 15 yd outs etc.... point is I see a lot more 3-5 yd digs, curls, outs and slants.... 70% of the routes ran in NE offense is taking what the defense gives you. Great route runners are always open at a specific time within a specific route.

 

No doubt they will take their shots deep, roll outs waggle style patterns. But I see a lot of Shotgun, catch set throw 2 second plays in the form of NE style. Based on WR strengths, QB quick release and ability to get the ball in the hands of those WRs quickly. 

[yungmack]

20 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:

Nobody is excluding the deep post, 15 yd outs etc.... point is I see a lot more 3-5 yd digs, curls, outs and slants.... 70% of the routes ran in NE offense is taking what the defense gives you. Great route runners are always open at a specific time within a specific route.

 

No doubt they will take their shots deep, roll outs waggle style patterns. But I see a lot of Shotgun, catch set throw 2 second plays in the form of NE style. Based on WR strengths, QB quick release and ability to get the ball in the hands of those WRs quickly. 

No way is Allen capable of this sort of play.

[Will-GM-for-food]

IIRC Beane said something in a past interview about drafting a guy who is scheme independent, because OC turnover can happen almost every year. I do expect the offense to be Pats-esque but to play more to Allen's strengths. It should open up the field a lot more.

[bills11]

1 hour ago, peterpan said:

See I think that this makes no sense.    Josh Allen is not a quick decision, timing passer.  He is a deep ball, deep out, scramble in the pocket type guy.  With these two draft picks and the Kerley signing we now have three short little speedy guys.  

 

So why would we square peg him into a round hole???

 

Allen needs a vertical passing game more like the Steelers, not the Pats. He needs big targets that can compete for jump balls and inaccurate throws.  

 

The bills have had this problem across regimes; getting players who compliment each other.  Another example of this is us constantly jump back and forth between power run game and zone blocking.  

 

Ugh

That's only the pats offence due to personnel though..did you forget 2007-09 everything was vertical when they had moss..and it was more vertical when they ran the two te set with Gronk and the murderer Hernandez ...the eardhart-perkins can be anything you want it to be the playbook has everything 

[GG]

11 minutes ago, yungmack said:

No way is Allen capable of this sort of play.

Are you saying that because you know for a fact he can't do it or because he's never been asked to do it

[peterpan]

33 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:

Nobody is excluding the deep post, 15 yd outs etc.... point is I see a lot more 3-5 yd digs, curls, outs and slants.... 70% of the routes ran in NE offense is taking what the defense gives you. Great route runners are always open at a specific time within a specific route.

 

No doubt they will take their shots deep, roll outs waggle style patterns. But I see a lot of Shotgun, catch set throw 2 second plays in the form of NE style. Based on WR strengths, QB quick release and ability to get the ball in the hands of those WRs quickly. 

I agree with you.  The WR additions do point to this type of offense. 

 

Problem is that type of offense is not Josh Allen's strength.  

 

Rosen was the perfect QB for the system you described.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

2 hours ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:

Does anyone else feel as if we will be going to a New England style offense that emphasizes route running, quick hitters and getting the ball out quick on timing based routes.

 

It was mentioned Josh Allen has a quick release compared to Tom Brady.  It was said even if the accuracy isn’t there, because of the speed of the throw it allows less opportunity for defenders to break on a poorly thrown ball. The Bills have a handful of slot style WRs, a possession WR.

 

Everyone wanted that 4.3 WR yesterday. He never came. How successful was Brandon Cooks for New England? They prefer the Edelman, Amendola, Hogan precise route runners.

 

Bills have a huge Red Zone threat and a possession style WR who can box out defenders and a bunch of precision route runners.

 

Ray Ray and Austin Proehl says it all. Add Zay, Kerley and Streater. Even Reilly is a solid route runner.

 

Call me crazy but I think we are going to see a New England offense that doesn’t look for the big play vs get the ball out quickly with a lot of moving parts.

 

 

 

If the Bills run a quick tempo offense with Allen McBeane  will be fired within 2yrs. Allen needs to be in a vertical passing gm a Todd Haley or Bruce Arians style offense with heavy play action and a good running gm to sell those actions. If we try to put this kid in any other offense most likely he will fail.

[yungmack]

1 minute ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

If the Bills run a quick tempo offense with Allen McBeane  will be fired within 2yrs. Allen needs to be in a vertical passing gm a Todd Haley or Bruce Arians style offense with heavy play action and a good running gm to sell those actions. If we try to put this kid in any other offense most likely he will fail.

I think that's the only path to even reasonable success for Allen. Old school AFL QB play from the 70s, the old Al Davis obsession.