Last time David Culley was a QB Coach=1982

[NewEra]

Wasn’t a fan of the Culley hire and I’m still confused.  We fired Byrd and our DBs were our best unit.  Our qb was meh and culley stays on.  I wish he were just an offensive assistant.  I believe he brings a lot to the table, just not sure how much he brings to the QB room

[Tortured Soul]

I'm surprised we haven't brought on Rob Chudzinski in some capacity.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Ittakestime said:

Daboll's career is hinging on Allen.  He will be the one coaching these QBs.

 

I think Daboll, like Nate Hackett, needs to come to terms with the fact that an NFL OC has a lot of calls on his time.

 

I know Daboll has the rep of being a super-hard worker, but even a super-hard worker can't be all things to all people all of the time.

15 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Wasn’t a fan of the Culley hire and I’m still confused.  We fired Byrd and our DBs were our best unit.  Our qb was meh and culley stays on.  I wish he were just an offensive assistant.  I believe he brings a lot to the table, just not sure how much he brings to the QB room

 

I'm with you

19 minutes ago, Mike in Syracuse said:

Sometimes the best coaches aren't the best players.

 

I'll go further than that and say often the best players aren't the best coaches.

 

Guys who are out-of-the-galaxy talents tend to be guys who just naturally do the right thing.  They often suck at explaining what they did, or at being able to observe what other guys are doing wrong and figure out how to fix it.

[MJS]

I'll leave the coaching to the coaches. I'm not going to pretend like I know anything about these guys outside of the head coach and the coordinators. And I know nothing about coaching.

 

I do think McDermott is a good coach and a very smart guy, so I'm assuming he knows how to fill a staff. It's his staff to fill.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

55 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Southwestern La. (1985–1988)
(Quarterbacks coach)

 

I feel so much better now?

[HOUSE]

One of the best QB coaches in football. Daball could have brought in his own guy but passed.

 

Says alot....

[BADOLBILZ]

 

The coaching of Allen is my biggest concern with the franchise.

 

Gotta' get this right or it's a guaranteed re-start with new GM/HC and then player turnover again.

 

On paper.........it almost looks like the only way to get the attention needed to Allen is to have him starting and focal point of what Dabol is doing every week.........which we can most agree is probably too much to ask of Allen.

 

Pegs gave these dudes free run to set the roster back about 4 years talent-wise and they pulled off a Jauronian playoff season but the owner needs to make sure they are developing the most important asset they've acquired in a few decades.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Ittakestime said:

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Daboll's career is hinging on Allen.  He will be the one coaching these QBs.

 

Amazing what you can find on the Interweb these days.

#13 throws a pretty ball - is that Tua? 

Not a fan of that drill - if you want QB to throw with anticipation, you can't have them throwing to guys who just stand there, even though that's the easiest target to arrange.

6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Pegs gave these dudes free run to set the roster back about 4 years talent-wise and they pulled off a Jauronian playoff season but the owner needs to make sure they are developing the most important asset they've acquired in a few decades.

 

BadOl, I got to put it out there - if the owner needs to make sure of this, he's probably hired the Wrong Guys.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

BadOl, I got to put it out there - if the owner needs to make sure of this, he's probably hired the Wrong Guys.

 

 

I don't think Pegs knows how to hire good people for these jobs..........he's just going to have to get lucky and hopefully they build an identity and it sticks and leads to continuity........and then maybe Pegs kids turn out to be better at it.

 

Basically the Steelers formula.   Art was clueless about football he just got lucky.   Dan was an excellent exec.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

I don't think Pegs knows how to hire good people for these jobs..........he's just going to have to get lucky and hopefully they build an identity and it sticks and leads to continuity........and then maybe Pegs kids turn out to be better at it.

 

Basically the Steelers formula.   Art was clueless about football he just got lucky.   Dan was an excellent exec.

 

I was hoping that Pegs *had* hired good people for these jobs.

 

Has not yet been ruled out, IMO.

[Spiderweb]

55 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Wasn’t a fan of the Culley hire and I’m still confused.  We fired Byrd and our DBs were our best unit.  Our qb was meh and culley stays on.  I wish he were just an offensive assistant.  I believe he brings a lot to the table, just not sure how much he brings to the QB room

Maybe Byrd campaigned a bit too often to bring his kid back...

[frostbitmic]

Allen never had a QB coach until last year and has been working with Palmer this off season and reports say that he has been helping him a lot. It just makes sense to sign Palmer to be Allen's personal QB coach, Culley can stay on and work with McCarron and Peterman.

 

Daboll has enough on his plate being the OC, he doesn't need to be a QB coach for a rookie too.

[blacklabel]

Obviously we aren't privy to the reasons McDermott likes Culley to coach his QBs. We don't really know what type of approach and coaching style Culley has but it must at least fall in line with McDermott's core philosophies.

 

The one thing they're gonna have to realize is that they can't completely break this kid down and start him from scratch. They're gonna need to recognize and accentuate his strengths and try to create a system that will limit his mistakes. 

 

McDermott does strike me as the type of coach who will work to discover the best way to reach and teach his players. Everybody has a different way they learn and I think the days of the "my way or the highway" coaches are starting to fade. Coaches these days need to know how to keep their players engaged and intent on improving. For all intents and purposes, we know Allen has the desire to be the best player he can possibly be. And I know someone may say, "So did EJ" and that's true. The fundamental difference between Allen and EJ is that EJ had legitimate struggles to learn/retain the things he was being taught. And on top of that, the person EJ trusts the most to make a play on the field is himself, hence his proclivity to bail on clean pockets and run or talk himself out of giving his receivers a chance to make a play. Allen doesn't have that make-up. Allen will give his receivers a chance to make a play and there isn't a throw he fears. I guess I'll take the dude that has the stones to at least try to go out there and sling it as opposed to the safe and timid quarterbacking styles of EJ and even Tyrod. 

 

And despite them drafting the guy with the best overall arm talent seen in years, this team is still going to be founded on a stifling defense and a strong run game with a downfield passing attack that will take calculated shots.

Edited April 29, 2018 by blacklabel

[Saxum]

4 hours ago, Rebel101 said:

So the future of our 7th overall undeveloped QB who will need indepth coaching. A lot of one on one training and learn proper footwork and mechanics will be under the tutelage of a coach who last taught a QB in 1982 at Middle Tennessee State. The rest of career he has been a WR coach and a decent one actually he'd probably be better off coaching Zay Jones. Dont you think it'd be smart of Buffalo to invest more into their 7th overall pick Josh Allen by getting a top notch QB coach? 

 

Yes stated so in several threads. It is partly why I believed it was not worth effort to trade up since entire Offense coaching staff is weak IMO.

 

[NewEra]

58 minutes ago, Spiderweb said:

Maybe Byrd campaigned a bit too often to bring his kid back...

I’m hoping it’s because he thinks John Butler is just an amazing DB coach and couldn’t pass him up.

[Saxum]

3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Dear Lord. EJ 2.0 with a much worse twitter

 

That is like saying you are Cornelius Bennett with less talent and hair.

2 hours ago, horned dogs said:

No doubt takes many thousands of reps to improve (if ever I suppose). I will say he is such a good athlete, work ethic, and has likely not been coached that he may have a better chance than most.

 

He played multiple sports with no camps other QBs have.  I think he is very raw.

[Buffalo716]

This is the 10,000 time this has been brought up this offseason ...

 

Culley is VERY RESPECTED IN COACHING CIRCLES. He is not a WR specialist, he is a FOOTBALL COACH first and foremost 

 

Been with top notch coaches... I’ve seen WR coaches become great QB coaches and Vice versa

 

it might not sound ideal but Culley is a great coach

[Hapless Bills Fan]

50 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

Allen never had a QB coach until last year and has been working with Palmer this off season and reports say that he has been helping him a lot. It just makes sense to sign Palmer to be Allen's personal QB coach, Culley can stay on and work with McCarron and Peterman.

 

Daboll has enough on his plate being the OC, he doesn't need to be a QB coach for a rookie too.

 

I don't think "personal QB coach" is a good idea, but I think it would be a fantastic idea to bring Palmer in if they can.  Call him "QB assistant" or "QB technical consultant" or something, and have him work on technique with all three.  Just define roles and responsibilities to be sure the kids aren't hearing different things, would take some thought but already has to be done to keep things straight between Daboll and Culley.

 

The other thing with Daboll is, as OC, he MUST work primarily with the starter.   So must Culley.  If that's AJ McCarron, then that's who he's focusing on in-season.

[Ittakestime]

41 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

Allen never had a QB coach until last year and has been working with Palmer this off season and reports say that he has been helping him a lot. It just makes sense to sign Palmer to be Allen's personal QB coach, Culley can stay on and work with McCarron and Peterman.

 

Daboll has enough on his plate being the OC, he doesn't need to be a QB coach for a rookie too.

 

Huh?  The QB and OC better be connected at the hip. Take Brady for example. Him and McDaniels are connected at the hip all season. During the offseason Brady goes to California to tweak his mechanics with QB guru coaches.  That is work that needs to be done during that time due to all the restrictions in the CBA. There is no time to be doing that during the season. The QB coach in NFL is a gloried film technician. 

 

Allen can still use Palmer in offseason if he likes him. I personally would want him to work with the guys Brady does. 

[Saxum]

2 hours ago, Mike in Syracuse said:

Sometimes the best coaches aren't the best players.

 

Yes. Alex Van Pelt has been called one of the best QB coaches by multiple players including Aaron Rodgers

 

On that matter their are different types of QB coaches - mechanics and awareness.