Chris Simms: "Cardinals were heart broken when Josh Allen went before they could trade up"

[whatdrought]

11 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

This might make them feel better.

 

I don't know too much about evaluating throws, but that looks like a timing throw on a skinny post where the receiver was slow out of his break and then stumbled while trying to accelerate to the window... Looks like Allen put it where it needed to be, but the receiver didn't get there.

[ganesh]

12 hours ago, Deep2Moulds46 said:

I know, we are all supposed to be mad or something....

 

And 

 

I know...what sources does Chris Simms have..

 

But for those willing to be open minded, I encourage you to watch the first couple minutes of this video when they recap round 1.

 

And if you really want to feel good, go back and watch round 1 when they gush over both Bills picks and say the Bills killed the draft.

And some scrubs named Mayock, Kiper, McShay and Matt Miller (in the video above) all ranked Josh Allen as a top 10 player and a top 2 QB.

 

But what do they know, right?

And yet there are names like Troy Aikman and Mike Mayock who doubted that pick...so for every postive, there was a negative...which is expected in a  draft.  

1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

I don't know too much about evaluating throws, but that looks like a timing throw on a skinny post where the receiver was slow out of his break and then stumbled while trying to accelerate to the window... Looks like Allen put it where it needed to be, but the receiver didn't get there.

And that is what Trent Dilfer made as a comment.  He said  "accuracy" is  equal to ball placement.  He said Allen is the best at ball placement in this draft.  

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

That seems to be the key and why AJ McCarron was signed (interesting he does not have a # yet but Josh does) to give player drafted time to learn while temporary QB takes beating as new offense is crafted.

McCarron is #10. Didn't you get the memo?

[Yeezus]

13 hours ago, Deep2Moulds46 said:

I know, we are all supposed to be mad or something....

 

And 

 

I know...what sources does Chris Simms have..

 

But for those willing to be open minded, I encourage you to watch the first couple minutes of this video when they recap round 1.

 

And if you really want to feel good, go back and watch round 1 when they gush over both Bills picks and say the Bills killed the draft.

And some scrubs named Mayock, Kiper, McShay and Matt Miller (in the video above) all ranked Josh Allen as a top 10 player and a top 2 QB.

 

But what do they know, right?

 

 

POST THE DAMN TIMESTAMP 

Edited April 28, 2018 by Yeezus

[Saxum]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

McCarron is #10. Didn't you get the memo?

Evidently editor of Buffalo Bills.com did not.

http://www.buffalobills.com/team/roster.html

[Boatdrinks]

5 hours ago, Rosen-not-Chosen said:

 

I never said I hated Allen, just think it's likely he'll bust.

% wise, isn't it likely that any 1st round QB will bust? I believe since 2000, the % chances of even being a decent NFL starter are in the 40's. 

[Chuck Wagon]

I enjoyed how Kiper had Allen at #1 for most of the process, we get him at 7 and he gives us a bad grade. 

 

I know the raiders traded out at 10, but there was certainly a chance if we didn’t get Allen at 7 something happens with 8-9-10 not trading and the Dolphins take Rosen at 11. You think people were mad with Allen, imagine if that happened. 

 

I think A LOT of the league had Allen above Rosen, if not above Baker and/or Darnold too. The heat he’s getting from a lot in here and a lot in the mainstream media is not fair. 

[Rosen-not-Chosen]

4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

% wise, isn't it likely that any 1st round QB will bust? I believe since 2000, the % chances of even being a decent NFL starter are in the 40's. 

 

Of the 4 QB's, Allen is the most likely to bust.

[MILFHUNTER#518]

3 minutes ago, Rosen-not-Chosen said:

 

Of the 4 QB's, Allen is the most likely to bust.

Baker Mayfield? Allen is arguably in the best, most stable environment, Baker in a super dysfunctional environment. 

[Rosen-not-Chosen]

2 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

Baker Mayfield? Allen is arguably in the best, most stable environment, Baker in a super dysfunctional environment. 

 

No, you're not biased at all.  Since when has the Buffalo Bills franchise been a beacon of stability?  Holy crap some of you have Kool-Aid running through your veins.

Edited April 28, 2018 by Rosen-not-Chosen

[Boatdrinks]

3 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Wasn't that the reason that the Bills traded Taylor?  To clear the field for whatever rookie QB they drafted no matter how poorly he performed?  AJ McCarron has started fewer than 10 games in his entire NFL career.  Peterman's one start was a disaster, and he didn't redeem himself in his other appearances. 

 

The Bills' actions in 2018 are eerily similar to what they did in 2013 to clear the field for EJ Manuel: replace a serviceable veteran QB, bring in a backup likely to be significantly worse than the former starter, and then draft a project first round QB to excite fans.  I really thought after the events of last year that the Bills had actually changed their corporate culture to put the winning ahead of profit, but while the names and faces have changed, the "Bills way" apparently continues unabated.  

 

That's what is depressing about the Allen pick: for all the talk about "process" and other bull ****, it's just the same old, same old for the Bills.  I hope Allen is successful but I'm not optimistic about his future because first round project QBs simply don't do well in the NFL ... or about the Bills' prospects about becoming a regular playoff contender.

Newsflash : Bills " make a profit " regardless of who they draft. The NFL isn't hockey. EJ Manuel comparisons are lame. That FO took a QB in a first round that was projected to produce none. That is a far far cry from drafting a player that was top ten on virtually all mocks/ boards. Remind me ,how many teams were calling others to trade up for EJ ? If you think McCarron is likely to be significantly worse than Tyrod, you have vastly overrated Taylor. He's mediocre, and this GM/ HC have clearly changed the team's direction away from settling for mediocrity. And from paying for it. AJM is here to be a placeholder vet, for less $ than his thoroughly average predecessor. He's gone because he guarantees you 7-9, 8-8, 9-7. They are aiming much higher , though that does carry risk of landing much lower. Fear of failure would only guarantee perpetual irrelevance that's plagued the Bills for too long. These guys don't have that, and I'm glad. Too many GMs here have ignored bold moves at QB in the name of not screwing it up. Your comparisons don't hold water. 

[blacklabel]

13 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

The guy will need to transform into a new person if he is to be successful in the NFL.

He does so many things wrong.  He could get away with that at Wyoming where you have huge talent mismatches all over the field.  It's not like that in the NFL, where everyone around you is a super talent.  That's when the Allen way of doing things will kill his career.

 

 

 

What talent mismatches did he benefit from exactly? His entire supporting cast weren't a mismatch for anyone. 

[mrags]

13 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

 

He does so many things wrong.  He could get away with that at Wyoming where you have huge talent mismatches all over the field.  It's not like that in the NFL, where everyone around you is a super talent.  That's when the Allen way of doing things will kill his career.

 

 

Just curious. We’re you a fan of Tyrod? 

[Mojo44]

28 minutes ago, Rosen-not-Chosen said:

 

Of the 4 QB's, Allen is the most likely to bust.

Nope.  That would be Mayfield.

[MILFHUNTER#518]

53 minutes ago, Rosen-not-Chosen said:

 

No, you're not biased at all.  Since when has the Buffalo Bills franchise been a beacon of stability?  Holy crap some of you have Kool-Aid running through your veins.

Since when has the Bills been more unstable and dysfunctional than the Browns? If you were a young QB, would you rather go to Buffalo or Cleveland?

[Golden Goat]

9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Do you really see anyone "running him out of town"?

 

Surely you've read some of the other posts?

7 hours ago, Agent 91 said:

Have to build that first

 

Call me crazy, but wide receivers with NFL experience > no-name freshmen and sophomore receivers in a bad college program.

Edited April 28, 2018 by Golden Goat

[Nikademus]

I scanned about 35 min in and didn't see it. Although, I easily could have missed it

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Newsflash : Bills " make a profit " regardless of who they draft. The NFL isn't hockey. EJ Manuel comparisons are lame. That FO took a QB in a first round that was projected to produce none. That is a far far cry from drafting a player that was top ten on virtually all mocks/ boards. Remind me ,how many teams were calling others to trade up for EJ ? If you think McCarron is likely to be significantly worse than Tyrod, you have vastly overrated Taylor. He's mediocre, and this GM/ HC have clearly changed the team's direction away from settling for mediocrity. And from paying for it. AJM is here to be a placeholder vet, for less $ than his thoroughly average predecessor. He's gone because he guarantees you 7-9, 8-8, 9-7. They are aiming much higher , though that does carry risk of landing much lower. Fear of failure would only guarantee perpetual irrelevance that's plagued the Bills for too long. These guys don't have that, and I'm glad. Too many GMs here have ignored bold moves at QB in the name of not screwing it up. Your comparisons don't hold water. 

 

 In 3 or 4  years, we'll probably be about in the same place we were at this time in 2017, with a new HC and maybe a new GM.  It has nothing to do with Buffalo GMs failing to make bold moves, especially when both Donahoe and Whaley made bold moves, and everything to do with the Bills organization's continuing lack of commitment to winning, but continue to tell yourself differently if it makes you feel better.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Golden Goat said:

Surely you've read some of the other posts?

 

As "running Allen out of town"?  Haven't seen it.

 

Some folks don't like the pick - with Rosen on the board, I would strongly have preferred him, myself.

Some folks think Allen is not likely to become a good NFL QB

 

But not questioning the pick/doubting Allen seems a little different to me than "running him out of town"

 

Now maybe that's going down somewhere - people have said the call-in lines of local radio stations are full of trashing Allen.

 

In any case, I don't think the fans have the power to "run him out of town".  The Bills will be paying him something like a $10M signing bonus on a $20M contract, he's not going anywhere for a few years.

 

 

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

 

 In 3 or 4  years, we'll probably be about in the same place we were at this time in 2017, with a new HC and maybe a new GM.  It has nothing to do with Buffalo GMs failing to make bold moves, especially when both Donahoe and Whaley made bold moves, and everything to do with the Bills organization's continuing lack of commitment to winning, but continue to tell yourself differently if it makes you feel better.  

 

That viewpoint is just so depressing. 

[PirateHookerMD]

18 minutes ago, Nikademus said:

I scanned about 35 min in and didn't see it. Although, I easily could have missed it

 

since the beginning of the thread no one has been able to post when he actually talks about allen