Lurker Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 1 hour ago, The Virginian said: Another QB with a low college completion percentage. Can we please have a moratorium on posting pre-2000 completetion percentage comparisons!!! It's maddening! It was a totally diffeent game then in terms of the rules and pass-run ratios. Like putting up Otto Graham's passing stats as a benchmark for looking at today's QBs... 1
dave mcbride Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 How is Rosen taking this now-essentially-confirmed news? 1 2
papazoid Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: How is Rosen taking this now-essentially-confirmed news? he revised his 9 mistakes made before him, down to 4
GG Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: Thats the thing in these settings- we always see the offseason message board posts of “with another year he will be much better” but plenty of guys dont take regular strides forward like we assume. Fingers crossed he does I'm more optimistic after watching Senior Bowl highlights & the three practice days. Looked more fundamentally sound (without any pressure)
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) Arizona loved Logan Thomas too. Personally, I think the Bills saved them. Fitz will be a great mentor and I loved Kirk in the 2nd. That is a very good foundation. Edited April 28, 2018 by C.Biscuit97
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 Just now, GG said: Is that Peterman? Haha. Love trashing the guy who put up 45 and has to score 50 because defense gave up 48. Exactly like Peterman and his 0 tds. What a loser!!!
Doc Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Arizona loved Logan Thomas too. Personally, I think the Bills saved them. Fitz will be a great mentor and I loved Kirk in the 2nd. That is a very good foundation. I think the point is more that the Cards would definitely have traded up to 7 to take Allen, hence the reason the Bills had to give up more than what they otherwise should have. And Bruce Arians is gone. 1
GG Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Haha. Love trashing the guy who put up 45 and has to score 50 because defense gave up 48. Exactly like Peterman and his 0 tds. What a loser!!! I'm certain that Peterman also put up north of 40 in college. But let's recap the context, since people are posting snippets of individual plays. That single play is vintage Peterman in the face of pressure. Even the uniforms look like Chargers'
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 Just now, Doc said: I think the point is more that the Cards would definitely have traded up to 7 to take Allen, hence the reason the Bills had to give up more than what they otherwise should have. And Bruce Arians is gone. Same GM. I wish things were flipped but I guess time will tell. Right now, I think Rosen is in a better situation to succeed.
Mojo44 Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 5 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Yes. Rosen has a slightly higher touchdown to interception ratio though, but it's throws like these that scare me. Allen trusts his arm strength too much and it's hard to break habits no matter how well coached up he is. He has so many things he needs to clean up (footwork, decision making, anticipation, pre-snap adjustments) in order to be an effective NFL starter. That's a lot to ask of a player. I'm rooting for him, but I'm not holding my breath that he'll pan out. Most strong armed quarterbacks have had this problem coming into the national football league. This includes Jim Kelly. Their arm is so strong they think they can make any throw at any time. In college you this often worked. Not so in the NFL. Give the kid time. In my opinion, his brain and work ethic are as impressive as his physical skills.
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 Just now, GG said: I'm certain that Peterman also put up north of 40 in college. But let's recap the context, since people are posting snippets of individual plays. That single play is vintage Peterman in the face of pressure. Even the uniforms look like Chargers' It’s just hilarious that you tried to laugh at a guy who put up 45 points. It’s completely irrational.
The Now Moment Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 36 minutes ago, papazoid said: brett favre threw 336 interceptions....just sayin He's also a hall of famer...just sayin
GG Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: It’s just hilarious that you tried to laugh at a guy who put up 45 points. It’s completely irrational. No. I'm laughing at one single play in a thread where people are highlighting single plays.
Agent 91 Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Utah John said: He hit the receiver in stride, 65 yards down field, without good mechanics and while falling backward. Geez Louise. And you're worried about style points? I'm not sure he's going to be a good draft pick but it will be fun to watch. He threw it from the defenses 40. it wasnt a 65 yd throw Edited April 28, 2018 by Agent 91
Rosen-not-Chosen Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 6 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said: the guy chucks the ball on his back foot 50+ yards on stride and your complaining? I know right? Because that is what wins SuperBowls!
Green Lightning Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 32 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: Changing a throwing motion or arm placement is very, very difficult and I do not think goes very well ever. That is inherent to the QBs passing. Better footwork and learning how to stride and square up is more teachable. The question becomes when under pressure do you revert. Many times - especially a guy with a rocket for an arm - they throw everything with just their arm and once shown proper feet placement they can improve. Watching QBs play - the arm motion changes very little for most QBs throw to throw, but their feet change every play depending on if they are on the move, pocket collapsing, getting pressure from the side, stepping up. I think the base is easier to teach than a change in arm motion. Additionally that is what Palmer has been working on. I wish I knew if it would work, but to me working the base is better than guys like Mahomes last year with a funky throwing motion they wanted to work on. I think you got it right. Throwing motion would seem incredibly difficult to change. Darnold's going to have an issue, then again Philip Rivers seems to do okay. As far as the feet go, it just seems when the bullets are flying they revert back to their old habits and start winging it, particularly guys with big arms. We're just going to have to see and hope for the best.
Doc Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Same GM. I wish things were flipped but I guess time will tell. Right now, I think Rosen is in a better situation to succeed. Arians had personnel control, at least over offense. And I'm not so sure Rosen is in a good situation with the Cards. They're not a good football team.
Agent 91 Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said: You need help, the guy chucks the ball on his back foot 50+ yards on stride and your complaining? And so do you.. you do no he threw for less INT then Rosen right? seek life else where Probably threw far fewer times too. We know they aren't in the same atmosphere as far as product. And name an NFL defense who will allow qb to be successful throwing 50 yes off his back foot. Didnt know that's how Brady Mannings Montana Young Elway all had their incredible successes. Climb the damn pocket. For the record Allen 21 ints in 3 years Rosen 26 ints in 3 yrs Rosen 1169 attempts Allen 649 attempts Edited April 28, 2018 by Agent 91 stats 2
YoloinOhio Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, Doc said: Arians had personnel control, at least over offense. And I'm not so sure Rosen is in a good situation with the Cards. They're not a good football team. Loved, loved their Christian Kirk pick last night. Don’t love their ol or overpayment of Bradford and Glennon. The fact they paid both of these guys makes me think they definitely didn’t have Rosen as plan A.
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