Prickly Pete Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 13 minutes ago, Skins Malone said: Yep....your saying look into it yourself because you have no facts to back up such a dumb claim. Have a good day.
Skins Malone Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, OJABBA said: Have a good day. And still no facts...what a surprise lol
Prickly Pete Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Skins Malone said: And still no facts...what a surprise lol Took a minute to find this, surely there is more.7 Now it's your turn...let's see the stats on successful later round rookie Olineman (or maybe you should just quit now?) https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/rookie-impact-offensive-tackles "As you get to later rounds, it becomes much less likely that rookies see significant playing time. Former Raider Jared Veldheer was the only third-round offensive tackle to receive over 800 snaps, and two-thirds of third-round rookie tackles saw 20 snaps or fewer as a rookie. The fourth and fifth rounds brought the NFL rookie starters in Bobby Massie in 2012, as well as David Bakhtiari and Jordan Mills last year. When you get to the last two rounds of the draft, 80% fail to play a single offensive snap as a rookie, and not a single player topped 800 snaps in their first season. Typically, when any of these players picked after the second round see playing time, it is more out of a lack of team depth than the player being ready for that kind of playing time." Edited April 28, 2018 by OJABBA
Skins Malone Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, OJABBA said: Took a minute to find this, surely there is more.7 Now it's your turn...let's see the stats on successful later round rookie Olineman (or maybe you should just quit now?) https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/rookie-impact-offensive-tackles "As you get to later rounds, it becomes much less likely that rookies see significant playing time. Former Raider Jared Veldheer was the only third-round offensive tackle to receive over 800 snaps, and two-thirds of third-round rookie tackles saw 20 snaps or fewer as a rookie. The fourth and fifth rounds brought the NFL rookie starters in Bobby Massie in 2012, as well as David Bakhtiari and Jordan Mills last year. When you get to the last two rounds of the draft, 80% fail to play a single offensive snap as a rookie, and not a single player topped 800 snaps in their first season. Typically, when any of these players picked after the second round see playing time, it is more out of a lack of team depth than the player being ready for that kind of playing time." Right..you mean like richie incognito who was drafted in the third round and is a pro bowl player. And quoting one persons opinion is not fact lol. Have a good day
Prickly Pete Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Skins Malone said: Right..you mean like richie incognito who was drafted in the third round and is a pro bowl player. And quoting one persons opinion is not fact lol. Have a good day Moving the goalposts Snap counts are FACTS. You got nothing on ROOKIES IMPACT. And that is the discussion. YOu have a very low post count. Methinks you should go study up. Edited April 28, 2018 by OJABBA
Skins Malone Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, OJABBA said: Took a minute to find this, surely there is more.7 Now it's your turn...let's see the stats on successful later round rookie Olineman (or maybe you should just quit now?) https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/rookie-impact-offensive-tackles "As you get to later rounds, it becomes much less likely that rookies see significant playing time. Former Raider Jared Veldheer was the only third-round offensive tackle to receive over 800 snaps, and two-thirds of third-round rookie tackles saw 20 snaps or fewer as a rookie. The fourth and fifth rounds brought the NFL rookie starters in Bobby Massie in 2012, as well as David Bakhtiari and Jordan Mills last year. When you get to the last two rounds of the draft, 80% fail to play a single offensive snap as a rookie, and not a single player topped 800 snaps in their first season. Typically, when any of these players picked after the second round see playing time, it is more out of a lack of team depth than the player being ready for that kind of playing time." So your saying later round picks have less of chance at seeing playing time? Wow what a revolution. It still give no facts that olinemen are less successful then other positions
Prickly Pete Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 Just now, Skins Malone said: So your saying later round picks have less of chance at seeing playing time? Wow what a revolution. It still give no facts that olinemen are less successful then other positions Have a good day.
Skins Malone Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, OJABBA said: Moving the goalposts You got nothing on ROOKIES IMPACT. And that is the discussion. YOu have a very low post count. Methinks you should go study up. The old low post argument. Still waiting on actual facts.. Edited April 28, 2018 by Skins Malone
Prickly Pete Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 Just now, Skins Malone said: The old low post argument. Still waiting on a actual facts.. Snap counts are facts. I'm still waiting for your FACTS. You have nothing. (and please keep reposting my article with your response, because it directly negates any point you try to make.)
nichebiche Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 Without panicking, if I'm Brandon Beane, I would already have had conversations with the agents for Austin Howard, Luke Joeckel, Alex Boone and Jahri Evans that there might be interest.
Green Lightning Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 46 minutes ago, SCBills said: I don’t think Buffalo’s coaching staff is as concerned with O-Line as we are. They should be. With a guard that Oakland didn't want to resign and a center that Cincinnati didn't want to resign as our possible starters, what could go wrong?
Skins Malone Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, OJABBA said: Snap counts are facts. I'm still waiting for your FACTS. You have nothing. (and please keep reposting my article with your response, because it directly negates any point you try to make.) No yoir article means nothing to your argument. I love how when i ssid Milano all the sudden you added linebackers to your rookie impact players lol
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 28, 2018 Author Posted April 28, 2018 43 minutes ago, OJABBA said: Never said that. I said it's foolish to think you will fill the holes in the Oline with a rookie 3rd rounder. And that it's simplistic, dumb fan thinking. (actually, just added that). Running backs, and linebackers - yes. Olineman - rarely. I wouldn't count on it happening. I would draft BPA, and look to free agency, while hoping the guys from the previous drafts develop. HAHAHA! Great idea! umm Brian Waters, Larry Little, Nate Newton, Jason Peters, Joe Jacoby, Lou Groza (HOF) all undrafted .. that said I do agree Bills should not look to draft a lineman with #96
Bob in STL Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) We found Matt Milano in the 5th round last year. We should be able to find a few good players with a 3, 4, and two 5’s. Edited April 28, 2018 by Bob in STL
Prickly Pete Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: umm Brian Waters, Larry Little, Nate Newton, Jason Peters, Joe Jacoby, Lou Groza (HOF) all undrafted .. that said I do agree Bills should not look to draft a lineman with #96 This is about ROOKIE SEASON IMPACT. I didn't say they never are rookie successes, or that they don't have good careers(which ISN'T THE DISCUSSION.GET IT?) People here are fretting over the Oline sucking THIS SEASON. And I'm saying a rookie 3rd rounder ain't likely to help. And I provided FACTS that back me up. I said it folly to think the Bills should draft a guy in the 3rd and expect him to be a good rookie starter. The odds are highly weighted AGAINST THAT. GET IT??? I'm ready for your stats... Edited April 28, 2018 by OJABBA
Nitro Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 Do nothing. No need to panic. Strength in the draft now is on the defense. O Lineman will be available in the late 3rd.
Dadonkadonk Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 Draft another LB or a WR. Both are greater needs than OL. Miller will be back and be good with a new OC. Groy will be fine at C. Look for a veteran back-up. Hell even Ducasse was solidly average over the final eight games last year.
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