dollars 2 donuts Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: true true true, I think he has an Albert Haynseworth type career. Which would be worth the (JMO) 5 or so years on the rookie contract. PT, one side note, too. Although they were the bickering bills in the late 80s and they may have hated Kelly at the time, it was still during a period in the NFL where you were still stuck with the team that drafted and paid you...so, for more reasons than one, you better work out the problem. With today's free agency that just isn't the case anymore. A shame...the kid is so damn talented. Edited April 28, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts
Bing Bong Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: PT, one side note, too. Although they were the bickering bills in the late 80s and they may have hated Kelly at the time, it was still during a period in the NFL where you were still stuck with the team that drafted and paid you...so, for more reasons than one, you better work out the problem. With today's free agency that just isn't the case anymore. A shame...the kid is so damn talented. I loved Thurman for calling him out during the bickering bills period. Some bickering is good bickering. It was a cool 30 for 30 side story. Edited April 28, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks 1
Fadingpain Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Listening to Greg Cosell talk about him, he made the point that Wyoming ran a very Carolina Panthers-like offense with designed run elements for Allen similar to how Newton is used. It may just be that Beane sees Allen as potentially a very Newton-like prospect (hopefully without the sulks) and McDermott/Daboll scored Allen more highly than Rosen because of that potential for them. Beane said something to the effect that different teams look at medical issues with different eyes, so that could be a factor too. I just wonder why it's seen as more of a factor for Rosen than for Mayfield, who had 2 within 3 games last year. Let's assume the theory is correct and the Bills coach Allen into a clone of Cam Newton. Is that good enough? Could we have done better in this draft?
Real McClappy Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) Somehow this all Russ Brandons Fault no? We could not draft Rosen as Bills chicks won't buy his Jersey cause of his face. But they will Buy Allen's Jersey cause of his face, hence the pick you silly rabbits. It's all about Jersey sales, Russ must be fired now! Edited April 28, 2018 by Real McCoy
Andy1 Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 I think the Bills had real concerns about Rosen's durability and ability to make "something out of nothing" in scramble situations. I also think there is a real chance that Rosen didn't want the Bills. The Bills may have gotten that vibe from him and passed. Not every kid wants to build a career in Buffalo or Cleveland, especially if money is not a motivating factor for them. If he didn't want to be here it would be bound to end badly.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffaninATL said: Breer is very well connected and I have come to respect he & Peter King for this reason. Your comments about Dilfer are in line with Breer, generally speaking. I think the difference is that Breer's comments (as recounted here) put it 100% on Rosen, "he will not allow himself to be coached by...." Dilfer's comments seem to put it more on "half the coaches in the league" for not being masters of their craft and willing/able to explain it on cue. The reality is likely (IMO) to be somewhere in the middle. 13 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Let's assume the theory is correct and the Bills coach Allen into a clone of Cam Newton. Is that good enough? Could we have done better in this draft? That latter is kind of unanswerable at this time, isn't it? Time will tell. Is a Cam Newton clone good enough? Beane refers to him as a franchise QB, so he obviously thinks so. I am personally not a big fan of Newton as a QB. I don't think he's that accurate, especially when you pressure him. He needs WR who can make the circus catches with a great vertical leap. I think it's telling that one of his best seasons was his rookie year - I think as teams got more tape on him, they figured out how to hinder and stop him. But Allen will NOT be a clone for better or for worse. He may work harder at his craft and progress further. He may be less able to improve. Time will tell. 1
Stanley Lombardi Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 4 hours ago, BuffaninATL said: great piece by Albert Breer from SI.com today in which he details why teams were legitimately scared off by one element of Rosen's persona: like Jay Cutler's downfall, Rosen will not allow himself to be coached by someone he deems not as smart as he. Considering that Rosen had a 29 Wunderlic (Josh Allen had a 37) it won't be difficult to find coaches that are smarter than he is. 1
Jamie Mueller Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 They liked Allen better... period. Why do people need to pick at every scab in life? 1
Success Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 Did any of his teammates go to his birthday party? 1
JMF2006 Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 9 hours ago, Klaista2k said: Rosen was talked about as probably the best pure pocket quarterback in the draft. He was available for the Bills to grab but they passed. Any options on why exactly we didn't like him? -Injury concerns? -Attitude? -Concerns about playing in the cold weather? -Was he just overrated in general? Thoughts? All of the above I am starting to like Cornfed more and more out of the 4 or 5 other flawed first rounders. They all have warts 1
BadLandsMeanie Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Listening to Greg Cosell talk about him, he made the point that Wyoming ran a very Carolina Panthers-like offense with designed run elements for Allen similar to how Newton is used. It may just be that Beane sees Allen as potentially a very Newton-like prospect (hopefully without the sulks) and McDermott/Daboll scored Allen more highly than Rosen because of that potential for them. Beane said something to the effect that different teams look at medical issues with different eyes, so that could be a factor too. I just wonder why it's seen as more of a factor for Rosen than for Mayfield, who had 2 within 3 games last year. I'm confused by how they use the word. There are concussions, and there are Concussions. There is a wide range of severity. Like me, I may or may not have had one a couple years ago. The doctors said it would be very difficult to find out so the best thing to do was assume I had one and take a few precautions. Then there are ones where it is as easy as pie to tell because the guy is all goofed up. I am sure it make a big difference how severe the concussion is but that isn't mentioned. Edited April 28, 2018 by BadLandsMeanie
transplantbillsfan Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 Well, I listened to him and watched him right after the draft. Total jackass. I was really upset the last name Goodell called was "Allen" rather than "Rosen" immediately after at happened. After watching Rosen's interviews, I'm not upset, anymore. That guy wouldn't fit in WNY. 1
keepthefaith Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) He's Jay Cutler 2.0 except he's less of an athlete, less durable and with a lesser arm. He'll be the most likely bust amongst the top 10 drafted followed by shorty in Cleveland. You can take this to the bank with as much certainty as most of the other opinions expressed on this site on the QB decision. Edited April 28, 2018 by keepthefaith
Manther Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 IMO Rosen wasn't selected because he didn't fit what we were looking for in the leader of our team. Character and leadership qualities are lacking.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 6 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said: I'm confused by how they use the word. There are concussions, and there are Concussions. There is a wide range of severity. Like me, I may or may not have had one a couple years ago. The doctors said it would be very difficult to find out so the best thing to do was assume I had one and take a few precautions. Then there are ones where it is as easy as pie to tell because the guy is all goofed up. I am sure it make a big difference how severe the concussion is but that isn't mentioned. Granted that, just like sprains, the same word is used to describe a wide range of injury. I think we can assume that if a football player leaves the game, it's because he's shown immediately measureable symptoms. I could be wrong, but I'm not sure the severity has been found to correlate to cumulative effects. In other words, a guy who had 2 grade 1 (mild) concussions previously may still have cumulative damage that makes the third one debilitating.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Manther said: IMO Rosen wasn't selected because he didn't fit what we were looking for in the leader of our team. Character and leadership qualities are lacking. Well, I didn't interview the guy. But I don't think you can tell (to a point where it will interfere with his football) from the media. At least, I think we're in trouble if we add "interviews well and comes across well in the media straight out of college" to the list of required precursors to drafting a football player. He's not in any trouble with the law or with drugs - to me, those are real character concerns. He's nerdy. I really hate the Rosen bashing because of his post-draft presser. The kid is competitive. In Mayfield we'd call it "edgy" and "fiery" and praise it. It seems like "sour grapes" to me "I didn't want that leadershipless guy anyway" What I hope is the case is that the Bills liked Rosen, but overall Allen's physical abilities made him a better fit for what they want at the position. Different teams weight things differently, and I think the Tremaine Edmunds pick shows that Beane values physical abilities and potential higher than developed, demonstrated football skill. The Allen pick over Rosen shows that same weighting. Tremaine Edmunds is an amazing football athlete, but young and raw. Ditto Allen. We'll hope the Bills are able to develop them both. 1
Section242 Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 I think the Bills would've taken Allen if they had the 1 pick. I think Pegula made the pick. Right now the Bills are in a rough spot. I'm glad they got a QB but now they need to add weapons for this offense. Right now I think they've got the worst offensive talent in the league. Next year they've got a boatload of cap space though I anticipate Allen starting by the end of the season.
Saxum Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 20 hours ago, Klaista2k said: Rosen was talked about as probably the best pure pocket quarterback in the draft. He was available for the Bills to grab but they passed. Any options on why exactly we didn't like him? If he was not good enough for Jest he was not good enough for Buffalo.
BuffaninATL Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 Sorry for the belated video, but it is a follow up to my previous post detailing a perceived personality defect with Rosen & likening him to Cutler. It's a short clip (1:22) and worth a listen, esp. at the :45 mark https://www.si.com/nfl/video/2018/04/26/2018-nfl-draft-cardinals-select-quarterback-josh-rosen (embedded video on the linked page) Thoughts?
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