4-27: Greg Cosell Breaks Down Josh Allen on One Bills Live

[Buddo]

I'm a little bemused, about all the nonsense being talked about, processing speed.

 

Mainly because every college QB has to get quicker at it, due to the NFL being played at a far greater speed generally.

 

Even though every rookie (not limited to QBs) gets told that the speed of the NFL is much quicker, they all seem to concur that it's one of the major differences, when it comes to the games, that really sticks with them.

 

All the different quotes over the years, about 'the game slowing down' for guys, once they get adjusted to the speed things happen at, is just that. I see no evidence that Allen will be any different to any other guy in that respect, it just so happens that at the QB position, it has a greater effect. Allen will either make that 'transition', or he won't, in which case he won't last, but there's nothing to say he can't make it, at all.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

31 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

There may be a difference between slow eyes that occur because the QB played 7 on 7 in high school and at a community college for two years of his college experience and a prospect who just can't process that quickly and never will.  The problem is you can't be sure it's one and not the other.  We can hope, however.

 

I pray he figures it out. A guy like that you need smart offensive minds around him. People go back to Favre but he had Holmgren, Reid, Mariucci, Gruden, Marty with him. We have Daboll and Culley.

[Lurker]

1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

Um, the Wonderlic isn't an intelligence test.   It IS a processing speed test.   Processing speed under time pressure.   I thought I said that. 

 

As in hand-eye coordination?   Or memory recall for not throwing off the back foot?    Or vision tracking downfield through a 6-man pass rush?  

 

Wow.   It is a pretty tough test...

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2 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Draft, free agency, trade.

 

 

With all the other holes, the given up picks, the head coaches area of expertise and the carosel at OC, I don't see it happening under Allen's rookie deal, or this coaching regime, for that matter. If Rosen plays early and plays well, patience is going to run out, quickly, and Dermott and Beane will be out the door before they have the chance to do so.

It already happened in Cleveland.

 

Edited April 27, 2018 by MURPHD6

[SoTier]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

I don't think anyone will deny he needs to develop aspects of his game if he's going to be the answer long-term at QB. What I don't understand is why you'd rule out the possibility that he WILL develop and keep harping on his deficiencies that have been articulated ad nauseum pre draft.

 

Because Allen was unimpressive in college except for his physical attributes.  On the important factors that separate successful NFL QBs from successful collegiate QBs, Allen is behind the 8 ball.  His college career was not particularly impressive despite playing against competition that's most charitably described as "weak" ... and the Bills not only traded up to get him, but were apparently willing to trade away more simply on a hope that he becomes the first "raw" QB prospect taken in the first round to be successful in the NFL in decades.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

 

Because Allen was unimpressive in college except for his physical attributes.  On the important factors that separate successful NFL QBs from successful collegiate QBs, Allen is behind the 8 ball.  His college career was not particularly impressive despite playing against competition that's most charitably described as "weak" ... and the Bills not only traded up to get him, but were apparently willing to trade away more simply on a hope that he becomes the first "raw" QB prospect taken in the first round to be successful in the NFL in decades.

Clearly he impressed enough to be considered a top pick, even #1 overall. It wasn't purely his physical attributes. 

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Passions are high, on both sides. Hopefully it'll subside. 

 

I really wanted Rosen when the board fell the way it did, Allen was my least favorite of the top four so I get the knee-jerk outrage. I've also been one of the many on here (for years) who have argued that accuracy cannot be taught at the NFL level - so another red flag for me.

 

All that said, all I wanted was for the Bills to be bold and get the guy they believed in - which it seems they have done. Beane made his choice, he'll sink or swim on how well Allen develops. Here's to hoping he proves my fears unfounded and becomes a franchise guy for the next decade.  

My thoughts exactly.  I am now a Josh Allen backer, he’s my boy.  Now it’s up to McD (and his coaches) to develop him and Beane to get him a proper OL and WRs.

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, NewEra said:

My thoughts exactly.  I am now a Josh Allen backer, he’s my boy.  Now it’s up to McD (and his coaches) to develop him and Beane to get him a proper OL and WRs.

 

 Love it! 

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2 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Because Allen was unimpressive in college except for his physical attributes.  On the important factors that separate successful NFL QBs from successful collegiate QBs, Allen is behind the 8 ball.  His college career was not particularly impressive despite playing against competition that's most charitably described as "weak" ... and the Bills not only traded up to get him, but were apparently willing to trade away more simply on a hope that he becomes the first "raw" QB prospect taken in the first round to be successful in the NFL in decades.

The only comparable situation I can think of is Flacco, but he was drafted at 18 and his completion percentage was above 60%.

[dave mcbride]

3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

1000 times more athletic and also not a crack head.

Allen: 4.75 40.

 

Mallett: 5.37 40.

What a lazy comparison.