John from Riverside Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 I dont see one tweet in there talking about the quality of his pass catchers....none of which where drafted
BillsFan17 Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) I'm 2015 when Coffman was the starter, he threw the ball 241 times while Hill had 281 rushing attempts. If you factor in Allens 60 attempts, then they slightly threw the ball more. In 2016 Allen took over and Hill had 349 carries to Allens' 373 passing attempts. Gentry was also a thousand yard WR and the best target in the passing game. Even then, shows you the philosophy of Wyomings offense. They seemed to be a run heavy team regardless. In 2017, Gentry was gone as was Hill. That's taking away two big time weapons that help a QB. A top tier runner and his best passing option. Again, im not trying to make excuses here, but things need to be put into context. Edited May 1, 2018 by BillsFan17
Beast Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 So, OP, are you saying we should fire Beane and hire Warren Sapp as our GM?
Protocal69 Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) @BuffaloRush You must not play DFS (draftkings or Fanduel) because Warren Sharp did not just come out of nowhere. He has been around for a while now. He puts out a season preview book for fantasy football for a least the last couple of seasons Edited May 3, 2018 by Protocal69
Sky Diver Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 Allen threw the ball 373 times in 2016 and 270 times in 2017. Wyoming lost a lot of talented offensive players after the 2016 season.
Heitz Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 On 5/1/2018 at 12:40 PM, BillsFan17 said: I'm 2015 when Coffman was the starter, he threw the ball 241 times while Hill had 281 rushing attempts. If you factor in Allens 60 attempts, then they slightly threw the ball more. In 2016 Allen took over and Hill had 349 carries to Allens' 373 passing attempts. Gentry was also a thousand yard WR and the best target in the passing game. Even then, shows you the philosophy of Wyomings offense. They seemed to be a run heavy team regardless. In 2017, Gentry was gone as was Hill. That's taking away two big time weapons that help a QB. A top tier runner and his best passing option. Again, im not trying to make excuses here, but things need to be put into context. Was just doing some looking and was wondering how it's possible to have 9 Freshmen WRs in 2016 and then even MORE Freshmen WRs in 2017. In '17 they had 11 Freshman. 4 Sophomores and just one Junior WR. No Seniors. Who knows what effect that had on the passing game, but I'm guessing at least some...
SoTier Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 11:49 AM, jrober38 said: Serious question - when was the last time a "boom or bust" QB boomed? I can't find any who were drafted in the first round in the last 2 or 3 decades. Favre might be the only one during that entire time period but he was a second rounder. Was Jake Plummer considered a boon-or-bust project? He was a high second rounder back in '97 IIRC. Current 2nd round picks like Dalton, Garoppolo, and Carr and third round pick Wilson don't seem to be boom-or-busters, either. They seem to have been drafted about where they should have been for their measurables and their readiness for the NFL. Guys drafted on Day 3 can't really be busts because if they become even modestly successful backups, their teams are ahead of the game because nothing much was expected of them.
BuffaloRush Posted May 3, 2018 Author Posted May 3, 2018 35 minutes ago, Protocal69 said: @BuffaloRush You must not play DFS (draftkings or Fanduel) because Warren Sharp did not just come out of nowhere. He has been around for a while now. He puts out a season preview book for fantasy football for a least the last couple of seasons No I don’t play Draft Kings. It really seems that this season he’s gotten quite a bit more mainstream appearances on shows etc
Fadingpain Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 Love all the rationalization going on in this thread. Everyone playing the "Let's find ways to attack the validity of the tweets" not b/c it is misguided or wrong, but because posters don't like the outcome. Vintage TSW. 1
H2o Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 Yeah, myself being an Allen pessimist, I find this more of a speculative opinion than anything. It could have been choices related to time management or due to the lack of protection or even matchups the coach felt his receivers couldn't win. It doesn't mean the coach had a lack of faith in Allen. The coach has done nothing but rave about this young man everywhere.
Billsflyer12 Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 46 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Allen threw the ball 373 times in 2016 and 270 times in 2017. Wyoming lost a lot of talented offensive players after the 2016 season. Yet, he ranked 101st out of 133 qualifiers in adjusted completion percentage in 2016.
Heitz Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 Not sure what thread linked to this article, but seems pretty relevant for this thread: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2761942-wyoming-oc-brent-vigen-qa-is-josh-allen-the-next-carson-wentz
Sky Diver Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 16 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said: Yet, he ranked 101st out of 133 qualifiers in adjusted completion percentage in 2016. What is “adjusted completion percentage”? You can put numbers around anything. Whether they mean anything or not is another matter.
Billsflyer12 Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: What is “adjusted completion percentage”? You can put numbers around anything. Whether they mean anything or not is another matter. Adjusted Completion Percentage = (Completions + Drops) / (Pass Attempts – Spikes – Throwaways – Batted Balls – Balls disrupted by a QB hit)
Augie Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 11:49 AM, K-GunJimKelly12 said: Wyoming Head Coach, Craig Bohl, who was 6-18 his two years at Wyoming without Allen, and 16-11 his two years with him, doesn't trust Allen with the game in his hands? I have often wondered about the quality of coaching he received. Not condemning them, just wondering. It’s my hope that with some serious, first rate NFL coaching he can get past the issues that cause so much trepidation. I know, I know....accuracy is rarely if ever fixed....but a lot of very smart people love him too. Time will tell.
Wayne Arnold Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said: Adjusted Completion Percentage = (Completions + Drops) / (Pass Attempts – Spikes – Throwaways – Batted Balls – Balls disrupted by a QB hit) Where does the ACP account for crappy, outdated passing offense and wide receivers who can't get open.
schoolhouserock Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 I would be interested in seeing this stat when Carson’s Wentz was under center for this same coach. I know they had the same head coach... not sure about OC. It would not surprise me at all if they too had a high percentage of runs. This is an offensive system stat, nothing more.
Wayne Arnold Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, schoolhouserock said: I would be interested in seeing this stat when Carson’s Wentz was under center for this same coach. I know they had the same head coach... not sure about OC. It would not surprise me at all if they too had a high percentage of runs. This is an offensive system stat, nothing more. The head coach and offensive coordinator left North Dakota State when Wentz was a sophomore - before Wentz ever even started a game there. I'll let you all decide what that says about the intelligence and wisdom of Allen's Wyoming coaches.
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