Bills Pimpin' Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: Totally agree. Mahomes was the same type of prospect as Allen only he was actually a pretty good college player. Not liking Mahomes and then trading up for Allen makes zero sense whatsoever. Allen's game type, like EJ Manuel before him, suggested he should be a mid round draft pick. If he were 6'1, 215 like Baker Mayfield, he wouldn't have been drafted. You obviously don't Trust the Process. First off, there was no way McDermott was going to draft the franchise QB into that piss poor locker room culture. Secondly, Pegula wasn't going to let Whaley draft the next potential franchise QB as a lame duck GM. Drafting the franchise QB was always going to be this year and for Beane to get to #7 to draft one especially after a surprising playoff run is awesome GMing. To think the Bills were drafting Watson or Mahomes last year is ignorant and should never be an argument against drafting Allen. That being said, to put Mahomes in the same category as Allen as a prospect is even more ridiculous. Allen would be drafted ahead of Mahomes every single time if they were in the same year. 1
Comebackkid Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffaloRush said: Merged too many threads into this monster thread. Won’t be able to find anything wouldnt be bad if when you clicked on the link that was merged it took you to that spot..but when it drops you off at page one and says ..good luck with 77 pages of depth..its like..eh..nvmd 1
Logic Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 For what its worth, Benjamin Allbright claims with certainty that Allen was QB1 on Bolls' board. He was one of the few who linked Allen to Bills all offseason and didn't waver. Bills fans in the comments then insinuate that it sounds like Allen may have been a backup plan to Darnold or Mayfield, but Allbright reiterates that Allen is and always was their first choice at QB. Take it or leave it, but that's what he claims. 3
Putin Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 2 hours ago, PIZ said: McDermott is a defensive coach. The guy knows defense and knows Tre would be a fit for his defense. There was no way he was going to trust a front office that wasn't even going to be there in a few days, to pick his QB. He knew there would be a new GM and he knew the 2018 QB class had more potential than the 2017. What do you think would have happened if this year QB class was in last years draft ? do you think they would have taken a chance on one of the top 4 QB ? ( with D W ) still being the GM , I'm just wondering if Doug W had another shot at drafting a QB would he even consider Allen ? after the complete disaster with EJ pick ,
Aussie Joe Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 2 hours ago, BuffaloRush said: Merged too many threads into this monster thread. Won’t be able to find anything Not at all... anything that ends up in this thread a few days after the draft deserves to be in this cesspit... 41 minutes ago, Logic said: For what its worth, Benjamin Allbright claims with certainty that Allen was QB1 on Bolls' board. He was one of the few who linked Allen to Bills all offseason and didn't waver. Bills fans in the comments then insinuate that it sounds like Allen may have been a backup plan to Darnold or Mayfield, but Allbright reiterates that Allen is and always was their first choice at QB. Take it or leave it, but that's what he claims. Allbright was always very bullish over the past month or so that Allen was going to be the Bills pick... Doubt that means he had a direct line to Beane or anything.. maybe he just got lucky... He back flipped repeatedly on the other QB choices so I don't think he can claim to much credit there.... He is still a major knob in my opinion....
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 This is Beane and McDermott recreating Cam. They cant get their heads out of Carolina.
Turk71 Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: This is Beane and McDermott recreating Cam. They cant get their heads out of Carolina. That is just straight hucklebuck
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 6 hours ago, Scorp83 said: Exactly! Listen to this caller Brian...he called during the Sal interview... & he nailed everything point I had! I was on hold but after hearing him... there was no point to stay on hold lol! 04-30 Sal Capaccio with Howard and Jeremy - http://www.wgr550.com/media/podcast/howard-and-jeremy The main thing he said was "How can this front office look at Watson tape & decide he isn't good enough...yet they're blown away by Allen?" Why didn't they draft Mahomes? Who had a big arm & was a little more establish then Allen?" Man check it out That was me. Brian from Arcade. Almost missed the call because I was making the kids lunches for school. Like Murph, Sal is in constant defend mode. NFL Coaches and GMs constantly tell their fans that “the tape” is the centerpiece of their evaluations, and that the Combine is useful mainly for the interviews/medical, not the measures. Josh Allen at #7 is a prime example of why that’s not always the case. Can’t be. No way you watched that career and concluded a Mountain West honorable mention was worth #12, #53, #56 and Cordy Glenn, but Deshaun Watson wasn’t worth #10 last year other than 6’5” and 82-yards worth of arm strength. Simply put, Beane and McDermott can’t get their head out of Carolina. They wanted their own big, strong armed QB that reminded them of Cam. They saw a 6’5” guy with a rocket and made their game tape/evaluation fit that decision. Listen to Beane speak about Allen. Sounds awfully similar to Nix/Whaley at the 2013 season ticket holders box club speaking about Manuel’s size and room presence and never once mentioning reading a defense or throwing accurately. How is Allen a better prospect than Cardale Jones? He’s not. Cardale had more college success, was the same size, had the same arm, was the same age coming out, was just as raw. But Whaley picked him and we can’t have that (ego). It it bothers me to hear 35/40-Year video vet Cosell talk about pocket presence & accuracy, and our GM is talking about snowy weather and running the ball. Once again the Bills are going for the Rudy story. Hoping beyond hope that they outsmarted the league by swimming away from logic and selecting the diamond in the rough. Sal is already talking about obtaining WRs with large “catch radius” to help inaccurate Allen (literally heard all of these ideas about Manuel - the footwork, picking brain of a vet, working with a QB guru, getting elite talent around him). Does our Coach really mean to change our offense to an aggressive throw deep style? You’re doing that with Kelvin Benjamin as your #1 and Zay Jones as your #2? After all it’s still snowy, cold Buffalo and we need to pound the ball. 1
atlbillsfan1975 Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 19 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: That was me. Brian from Arcade. Almost missed the call because I was making the kids lunches for school. Like Murph, Sal is in constant defend mode. NFL Coaches and GMs constantly tell their fans that “the tape” is the centerpiece of their evaluations, and that the Combine is useful mainly for the interviews/medical, not the measures. Josh Allen at #7 is a prime example of why that’s not always the case. Can’t be. No way you watched that career and concluded a Mountain West honorable mention was worth #12, #53, #56 and Cordy Glenn, but Deshaun Watson wasn’t worth #10 last year other than 6’5” and 82-yards worth of arm strength. Simply put, Beane and McDermott can’t get their head out of Carolina. They wanted their own big, strong armed QB that reminded them of Cam. They saw a 6’5” guy with a rocket and made their game tape/evaluation fit that decision. Listen to Beane speak about Allen. Sounds awfully similar to Nix/Whaley at the 2013 season ticket holders box club speaking about Manuel’s size and room presence and never once mentioning reading a defense or throwing accurately. How is Allen a better prospect than Cardale Jones? He’s not. Cardale had more college success, was the same size, had the same arm, was the same age coming out, was just as raw. But Whaley picked him and we can’t have that (ego). It it bothers me to hear 35/40-Year video vet Cosell talk about pocket presence & accuracy, and our GM is talking about snowy weather and running the ball. Once again the Bills are going for the Rudy story. Hoping beyond hope that they outsmarted the league by swimming away from logic and selecting the diamond in the rough. Sal is already talking about obtaining WRs with large “catch radius” to help inaccurate Allen (literally heard all of these ideas about Manuel - the footwork, picking brain of a vet, working with a QB guru, getting elite talent around him). Does our Coach really mean to change our offense to an aggressive throw deep style? You’re doing that with Kelvin Benjamin as your #1 and Zay Jones as your #2? After all it’s still snowy, cold Buffalo and we need to pound the ball. I didn’t want Allen. Honestly. Told all my fellow Bills fans, anyone but Allen. Then the Bills picked him. I could care less about what they gave up to grab him, the Bills still walked away with a full drafts worth of picks. Since Thursday I have been reading and watching more and more about Allen. I now believe Allen is going to be good. I will also ask fans like you , why do you feel the need to say Allen is going to fail? Are you preparing yourself if he doesn’t? Is it a self defense coping mechanism to prepare for disappointment? You have mentioned in a few posts that Beane and McDermott have their head stuck in Carolina. Where do you think your head is stuck? I think it is in the past. You are drawing from past let downs maybe even times you did believe. Now you are too smart to let that happen. I’d ask you and all Bills fans to cheer our guy on. Loyalty is appreciated. 3
4merper4mer Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Andrew Lucy is a surefire can't miss prospect who has played up to his billing. The team has failed to protect him and put talent around him, and handled his injury abysmally. Not a good example to support the "no one has a damn clue" notion Good example of the "you need a franchise QB, but then you also I knew someone would stand up for Kim Jung QB. Has Bakin been reported to the authorities for his unwarranted criticisms? And your misspelling of his name cannot be tolerated. Please apologize and administer yourself 30 lashes.
26CornerBlitz Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, mannc said: Kinda silly to compare Oklahoma to Univ of Wyoming. Comparing each QB with the challenges faced in their respective circumstances is fair even if you happen not to get it from an evaluation perspective. Edited May 1, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz
Coach Tuesday Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: I didn’t want Allen. Honestly. Told all my fellow Bills fans, anyone but Allen. Then the Bills picked him. I could care less about what they gave up to grab him, the Bills still walked away with a full drafts worth of picks. Since Thursday I have been reading and watching more and more about Allen. I now believe Allen is going to be good. I will also ask fans like you , why do you feel the need to say Allen is going to fail? Are you preparing yourself if he doesn’t? Is it a self defense coping mechanism to prepare for disappointment? You have mentioned in a few posts that Beane and McDermott have their head stuck in Carolina. Where do you think your head is stuck? I think it is in the past. You are drawing from past let downs maybe even times you did believe. Now you are too smart to let that happen. I’d ask you and all Bills fans to cheer our guy on. Loyalty is appreciated. Don't be afraid of opinions.
PromoTheRobot Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Brandon? Brandon Beane.
GG Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 8 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: B) An honest host would say "Honestly, Brandon, I probably wouldn't have made that pick. But it's your job to make those picks, not mine." See? Respectful, yet honest. This is why people call Buffalo sports media a joke. This is a perfectly reasonable line of questioning, especially since they've been so vocal against the pick.
atlbillsfan1975 Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 43 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Don't be afraid of opinions. Not afraid at all. I asked questions. Everyone has them and is entitled to them. I just wonder why so many people live in fear.
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 2 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: I didn’t want Allen. Honestly. Told all my fellow Bills fans, anyone but Allen. Then the Bills picked him. I could care less about what they gave up to grab him, the Bills still walked away with a full drafts worth of picks. Since Thursday I have been reading and watching more and more about Allen. I now believe Allen is going to be good. I will also ask fans like you , why do you feel the need to say Allen is going to fail? Are you preparing yourself if he doesn’t? Is it a self defense coping mechanism to prepare for disappointment? You have mentioned in a few posts that Beane and McDermott have their head stuck in Carolina. Where do you think your head is stuck? I think it is in the past. You are drawing from past let downs maybe even times you did believe. Now you are too smart to let that happen. I’d ask you and all Bills fans to cheer our guy on. Loyalty is appreciated. My head is stuck at what I said originally. What is the logic from Beane and McDermott coveting Allen past he’s tall and has a big arm? I’ve listened to two interviews from Beane now. What did you like about Allen? He’s big, tall, physical, has a big arm to play in Buffalo conditions. In the second interview he mentioned Cam Newton by name. Beane didn’t talk about reading a defense until specifically asked to define Allen’s college responsibilities. My opinion in their decision making remains unchanged by new interviews. Josh Allen is here because he’s tall and has a big arm, and throwing the football with accuracy from the pocket with anticipation is not a discerning trait. My problem is - this is why Russel Wilson is not a Bill. Nix loved everything about him except he wished he was a few inches taller. Whaley loved Manuel because of his presence. Cardale Jones was a massive QB with the same “raw talent”. We’ve seen this type of draft pick before from Buffalo, for the same reasons as our GM is giving now. This time we traded #12, #53, #56 and Cordy Glenn to do it, while passing on Mahomes, Watson and Rosen along the way. Hope all the data projects the wrong outcome and Allen is the anomaly. 1 1
jrober38 Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 10 hours ago, Putin said: So does that mean Allen will be a colossal bust ? If ye please tell me and ( maybe you can ) save me and so many others hopeful here the heartache of inevitability ! It means he has maybe a 1:10 chance of becoming a successful NFL QB. Guys like him don't work out in the NFL. 1
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 Still hate the pick but I have been overly critical to the person and I regret that. He sent out some stupid tweets when he was young but other than that, he seems like a good dude. im just worried about him as a player and I have serious doubts. I’m praying he proves me wrong.
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