John from Riverside Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, jrober38 said: That's such a lazy way of looking at it. 20 years ago maybe. But now a days when there are so many advanced analytics that can much more accurately predict what QBs will and won't succeed than your average scout, it isn't the inexact some science some people think it is. The fact that pretty much every advanced analytic gives Josh Allen next to no hope of being successful doesn't bode well for his future. Scouts might miss all the time on QBs, but there have proven to be some good studies that are quite accurate, and they think Allen is going to be a complete bust. That’s a pretty way of looking at it as well and if scouts REALLY thought he was going to be a complete bust he wouldn’t be a constant top ten pick Edited May 1, 2018 by John from Riverside
Johnny Hammersticks Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 Grew up with Jeremy. Right around the corner. Good dude. He loves Buffalo Bills football, and has always been very opinionated. Why can’t everyone express their opinions (w/o being disrespectful) and be allowed to do so without consequence of hostility? 3 minutes ago, Carter said: The writing is on the wall. History is repeating itself. The Bills chose the wrong Josh!! Doesnt get anymore obvious. Take off the rose colored glasses, lay off the kool aid. Beane made a critical mistake for our Bills and their future. It’s sad really. Next regime will will give us renewed hope. Will they get it right? doubt it. Attention on should be squarely on beane and McDermott. They should be getting smeared, they are idiots. I respect your opinion, but I also think you are very wrong. Keep truckin’ fella!!
stuvian Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Rotoworld has us picking #1 overall next year so that tells you a lot about what they think of the pick and our draft. "Old School" scouts seem to like Allen. "New Scout" evaluators who rely on the numbers really hate him. You're right about rotoworld trashing us http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/79600/174/2018-afc-draft-grades I think we need to keep a list of all these prognosticators and their twitter accounts when Allen blows up the scoreboard
Scorp83 Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Some Bills fans can't handle when anyone says anything bad about the Bills. White is a relatively smart guy. He knows everything about Allen says he's very unlikely to make it as a Franchise QB in the NFL. He's a numbers guy and I give him credit for being consistent. If you look at the numbers, the only opinion of Allen you can have is that he's horrible. Exactly! Listen to this caller Brian...he called during the Sal interview... & he nailed everything point I had! I was on hold but after hearing him... there was no point to stay on hold lol! 04-30 Sal Capaccio with Howard and Jeremy - http://www.wgr550.com/media/podcast/howard-and-jeremy The main thing he said was "How can this front office look at Watson tape & decide he isn't good enough...yet they're blown away by Allen?" Why didn't they draft Mahomes? Who had a big arm & was a little more establish then Allen?" Man check it out Edited May 1, 2018 by Scorp83
Putin Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, KellyToTasker said: The game has evolved a lot in 35 years. I'm aware of that been watching the NFL since the early 80's ! So what are you saying that 35 years ago competition % / accuracy was not as important when evaluating a potential first round pick ? Unless 35 years ago 56% = 64% today?
jrober38 Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Sky Diver said: If analytics were so reliable and scientific, why was Brady drafted in the 6th round? I have no idea how Brady scored. I honestly haven't read anything about his draft projection. What I have read is a number of articles about guys picked in the first round who looked and played like Allen. QBASE is a good one. Since 1997, 27 QBs with a negative rating have been picked in the first 100 picks. Not a single one of them has turned into a quality NFL player. The best of those 27 guys is Josh McCown, and notable disasters were Josh Freeman, JP Losman, Patrick Ramsay, Josh Freeman, etc. The Bills picked Allen because he has a rocket arm and looks like a QB. His game tape simply didn't show a 1st round calibre prospect.
jrober38 Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, stuvian said: You're right about rotoworld trashing us http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/79600/174/2018-afc-draft-grades I think we need to keep a list of all these prognosticators and their twitter accounts when Allen blows up the scoreboard Or as a list of guys to potential interview as GM if (when) Allen blows up as a colossal bust and Beane gets fired. 1
billsfan1959 Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Scorp83 said: Yea, this is completely false. I know cause I was part of the college QB text line... & I was one of the people that told him to stop sending me Josh Allen games... after I've watched the 6th game... I had enough. Man smh... the horrible decision making, over throwing wide open WR's down the middle of the field, can't throw to the flats, can't throw a 5 & out, throws into double coverage, threw off his back foot alot, put too much zip when it wasn't needed. Just horrible QB play... he had games that looked like Tyrod smh. 125 yard passing Jeremy White didn't make people dislike Josh Allen... Josh Allen did that to the thousands of people watching him this pass season. Yet some people on this board wonder why fans like myself won't give him a chance, he hasn't earned it...nor shown it in college. I don't wonder why you have the low opinion of Allen - whatever you want to think of him, from one end of the spectrum to the other, you can find some support for. However, I guess I do have to put myself in that camp that wonders how any fan of this team can say they will not even give him a chance. Edited May 1, 2018 by billsfan1959
jrober38 Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Scorp83 said: Exactly! Listen to this caller Brian...he called during the Sal interview... & he nailed everything point I had! I was on hold but after hearing him... there was no point to stay on hold lol! 04-30 Sal Capaccio with Howard and Jeremy - http://www.wgr550.com/media/podcast/howard-and-jeremy The main thing he said was "How can this front office look at Watson tape & decide he isn't good enough...yet they're blown away by Allen?" Why didn't they draft Mahomes? Who had a big arm & was a little more establish then Allen?" Man check it out Totally agree. Mahomes was the same type of prospect as Allen only he was actually a pretty good college player. Not liking Mahomes and then trading up for Allen makes zero sense whatsoever. Allen's game type, like EJ Manuel before him, suggested he should be a mid round draft pick. If he were 6'1, 215 like Baker Mayfield, he wouldn't have been drafted. Edited May 1, 2018 by jrober38
BuffaloRush Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Some Bills fans can't handle when anyone says anything bad about the Bills. White is a relatively smart guy. He knows everything about Allen says he's very unlikely to make it as a Franchise QB in the NFL. He's a numbers guy and I give him credit for being consistent. If you look at the numbers, the only opinion of Allen you can have is that he's horrible. You are somewhat right about this. This is what's always bothered me about some Bills fans. They'll blindly accept anything. We could have signed EJ Manuel as the starting QB and some fans would be saying "let's give him a chance." LOL I agree with you on White - but like I said he's drawn a line in the sand about a number of issues in the NFL and NHL and has been wrong as of late. Just because he disagrees, doesn't make it true. Also he showed a lot of courage in the interview with Beane today - did he not?
stuvian Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: Or as a list of guys to potential interview as GM if (when) Allen blows up as a colossal bust and Beane gets fired. don't tell me you're throwing in the towel!
jrober38 Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, stuvian said: don't tell me you're throwing in the towel! I don't think he has any hope of being a successful NFL QB. I'm writing him off until he shows he can play. In my mind we just drafted EJ Manuel/Jake Locker/Kyle Boller/Josh Freeman. 1 1
Roundybout Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Totally agree. Mahomes was the same type of prospect as Allen only he was actually a pretty good college player. Not liking Mahomes and then trading up for Allen makes zero sense whatsoever. Allen's game type, like EJ Manuel before him, suggested he should be a mid round draft pick. If he were 6'1, 215 like Baker Mayfield, he wouldn't have been drafted. Allen was in a pro style offense. Mahomes was air raid and EJ was a spread. They are not clones. 1
BuffaloRush Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Grew up with Jeremy. Right around the corner. Good dude. He loves Buffalo Bills football, and has always been very opinionated. Why can’t everyone express their opinions (w/o being disrespectful) and be allowed to do so without consequence of hostility? I respect your opinion, but I also think you are very wrong. Keep truckin’ fella!! I think it's the way that Jeremy went about things. Look I think Doug Whaley was a bad GM. There are people here was passionately disagree. If I write 10 threads about why Doug Whaley was a bad GM people are just going to get annoyed, even if they agree with what I'm saying. Jeremy has been on a soapbox against Allen and for Rosen, and it's been annoying. I get that
JinxedBill1 Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 I'm a secular conservative. I don't know how to feel about this...lol
PIZ Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Scorp83 said: The main thing he said was "How can this front office look at Watson tape & decide he isn't good enough...yet they're blown away by Allen?" Why didn't they draft Mahomes? Who had a big arm & was a little more establish then Allen?" Man check it out "This front office"? The front office that passed over Watson and Mahomes isn't even a part of the team right now. McDermott, the coach, is the only decision maker that had anything to do with the 2017 draft. I also like to see Bills fans sticking up for their team. Edited May 1, 2018 by PIZ
PromoTheRobot Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Some Bills fans can't handle when anyone says anything bad about the Bills. White is a relatively smart guy. He knows everything about Allen says he's very unlikely to make it as a Franchise QB in the NFL. He's a numbers guy and I give him credit for being consistent. If you look at the numbers, the only opinion of Allen you can have is that he's horrible. Too bad this is football and not baseball. White and, to a lesser extent, Simon are genuinely pissed at the Allen pick. And Beane knows it. But what pisses White off the most is this Bills regime can't be bullied by the media. So White can beyotch and moan all he likes and feed the trolls. The process moves on regardless. Edited May 1, 2018 by PromoTheRobot 2
Putin Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I have no idea how Brady scored. I honestly haven't read anything about his draft projection. What I have read is a number of articles about guys picked in the first round who looked and played like Allen. QBASE is a good one. Since 1997, 27 QBs with a negative rating have been picked in the first 100 picks. Not a single one of them has turned into a quality NFL player. The best of those 27 guys is Josh McCown, and notable disasters were Josh Freeman, JP Losman, Patrick Ramsay, Josh Freeman, etc. The Bills picked Allen because he has a rocket arm and looks like a QB. His game tape simply didn't show a 1st round calibre prospect. I don't know which game tapes you were looking at , because there's few people who thought he could be 1st overall pick after looking at his game tape ,
jrober38 Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: Too bad this is football and not baseball. White and, to a lesser extent, Simon are genuinely pissed at the Allen pick. And Beane knows it. But what pisses White of the most is this Bills regime can't be bullied by the media. So White can piss and moan all he likes and feed the trolls. The process moves on regardless. I don't think this is true at all. All the media guys are "pissed" because they've done nothing but read about these QBs and their prospects as future NFL QBs for the past 7 months. In doing all that reading and studying, they've learned extensively about how guys like Josh Allen never succeed in the NFL. 1 1
jrober38 Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Putin said: I don't know which game tapes you were looking at , because there's few people who thought he could be 1st overall pick after looking at his game tape , All of the guys I just listed were first round picks and all were colossal busts. Just because a guy is a 1st round pick doesn't mean he's going to be any good.
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