Jobot Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 So I should be upset that the Bills made the decision without consulting you first?
SouthNYfan Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: I agree I’d rather have AJ start at least until week 4 or 5 depending on how our record is. But listening to Beane the other day, he isn’t ruling it out. Yeah I think he's just being smart and giving lip service to not role up any of the QBs, and also trying to not have to eat his own words if Allen is or isn't ready. I think that unless Allen is blowing AJ/Nate away in camp and preseason, then he isn't going to see the field in a live game for a while. Our oline needs work and better to not get the new guy killed before the bye week. I mean, we don't really have any good receivers either, but he is used to that after last year in college with the turd sandwich receiving corps he had in 2017 ?
chris heff Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Allen wasn't my top pick either but I feel like it's for the same reason many are complaining, he's not ready to play and we all want immediate results. The good news is for everyone saying he's going to set the franchise back 5 years is wrong. He will either boom or bust in the next 2 years and we can move on if we need to or we found our guy. You’re right, the rookie salary structure makes things way less risky. Drafting a QB in top ten and having to give him a huge contract is what used to set teams back for years.
billsbackto81 Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Going into the draft, my QB wish list went like this: 1. Mayfield 2. Darnold 3. Rosen 4. Allen When we traded up to 7, and Rosen was still there, I thought for sure we were going to grab the other Josh. Nope they announced Josh Allen instead. I was furious. So was about 90% of the fans sitting with me at the Anchor Bar on Transit. Then I watched Rosen get drafted a few picks later. For the first time I noticed what an arrogant, entitled little weasel he is. When I got back to my room I started watching videos of each of them. Rosen comes off as a spoiled kid that has had everything handed to him. Allen is just the opposite. He’s had to work for everything he’s gotten. He’s humble. He’s appreciative. He’s a Buffalo guy. For those of you who are still pissed we didn’t take Rosen, I’d encourage you to do the same. Watch their interviews and form your OWN decision, not some “expert” with a blog... What if that little weasel ends up being a perennial pro bowler who averages 4k/ 35 tds a season and Humble Pie Allen becomes a career back up that's out of the NFL in 5 years? Fans will always take the uber productive a-hole over the community serving, great guy, hard working can't hit the ocean from the sand kind of guy. Do you see Tyrod anywhere around here? I too dislike Rosens' persona in comparison to Allen but all of that would have been overlooked if he was picked because he'd be a Buffalo Bill now. I want Allen to succeed soooo bad as I feel he's the jolt this team needs at QB badly. If you followed any of what McBeane is trying to instill in this team the past season then you'd know what they want in a QB. Character (still pending), hard worker, big, mobile, arm strength, coachable. A lot of the things Rosen lacks though no doubt he's the more polished of the two. Here's hoping that cocky Keebler elf doesn't prove the previous 9 GMs wrong.
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 14 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The NHL Draft hasnt even happened yet and they are already making t-shirts for Dahlin LOL
26CornerBlitz Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 Just now, MILFHUNTER#518 said: The NHL Draft hasnt even happened yet and they are already making t-shirts for Dahlin LOL He's going to be the pick. It's not even a question.
PrimeTime101 Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: What if that little weasel ends up being a perennial pro bowler who averages 4k/ 35 tds a season and Humble Pie Allen becomes a career back up that's out of the NFL in 5 years? Fans will always take the uber productive a-hole over the community serving, great guy, hard working can't hit the ocean from the sand kind of guy. Do you see Tyrod anywhere around here? I too dislike Rosens' persona in comparison to Allen but all of that would have been overlooked if he was picked because he'd be a Buffalo Bill now. I want Allen to succeed soooo bad as I feel he's the jolt this team needs at QB badly. If you followed any of what McBeane is trying to instill in this team the past season then you'd know what they want in a QB. Character (still pending), hard worker, big, mobile, arm strength, coachable. A lot of the things Rosen lacks though no doubt he's the more polished of the two. Here's hoping that cocky Keebler elf doesn't prove the previous 9 GMs wrong. Well said!
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Yeah I think he's just being smart and giving lip service to not role up any of the QBs, and also trying to not have to eat his own words if Allen is or isn't ready. I think that unless Allen is blowing AJ/Nate away in camp and preseason, then he isn't going to see the field in a live game for a while. Our oline needs work and better to not get the new guy killed before the bye week. I mean, we don't really have any good receivers either, but he is used to that after last year in college with the turd sandwich receiving corps he had in 2017 ? Our recievers have got to be better than what he was working with in Wyoming. And I really hope Beane can pick up someone else before the season on the cheap. I’d like to see Eric Decker brought in 1
davspo Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 I too was initially unhappy with the Allen pick. Admittedly, like most on this board I have not seen Allen play in live action. I saw some clips here and there. After he was drafted I went back and looked again, and spent more time finding other clips. I can tell you this, the guy reminds me a lot of Rothlesberger. He was much more mobile than I expected and always keeps his eyes down field. One thing I can say for sure is that the era of passing for 4 yards on 3rd and 10 is over with this guy. I also went back and looked at a bunch of mock drafts. A couple things stood out. First, almost all were wrong by the 3rd pick. Half that were projected first rounders were not chosen. It was even more clear to me that mock drafts are pure entertainment with a sprinkle of fantasy. Second and most striking were that the vast majority of mock drafts had Allen going number 1 overall to the Browns. For example, CBS Sports "Mock Central" had 4 of 6 reports with Allen going number 1 overall. The remaining 2 had Darnold going first. Clearly, there were many teams who loved Allen. It seems clear that Arizona was going jump us and grab Allen if we did not. So, while everyone is freaking out, I urge them to go back and look at the tape. I would be interesting to know if that would change people's minds. I also would love to know if all the upset fans actually saw this kid play an actual game. I know I didn't. All in all, this administration solidified the defense. I truly think this will be a top 7 defense, and they got younger. This defense will keep this team in a lot of games, baring injury. The selection of Edmunds I think will be spectacular. Again, looking at the mock drafts, I did not see one that had him being selected anything below 12. The speedy inside linebacker is a staple in the McDermott scheme. After what he did last year, breaking the playoff drought when just about everyone had them winning 6 or less games earned him the right to get the benefit of our doubt. I do have grave concerns about the offense. Not because we lost Tyrod Taylor ( I think with McCaron or Peterman (insert wise comment)) are better than Taylor. Taylor just refused to throw the ball. My concerns are with the offensive line, and lack of play making receivers. This will be addressed next year I'm sure. It's nice that we have a full compliment of draft picks on the shelf that we did not need to give up. It's also nice to know that we will have the 3rd largest amount of cap space to fill some needs. All in all, cut this administration some slack. First, they earned it. Second, they have a clear plan and are executing it. This is more than I can say for any other administration over the last two decades. p.s., if Allen hits, fasten your seat belts. It will be a good ride. 1 1
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: What if that little weasel ends up being a perennial pro bowler who averages 4k/ 35 tds a season and Humble Pie Allen becomes a career back up that's out of the NFL in 5 years? Fans will always take the uber productive a-hole over the community serving, great guy, hard working can't hit the ocean from the sand kind of guy. Do you see Tyrod anywhere around here? I too dislike Rosens' persona in comparison to Allen but all of that would have been overlooked if he was picked because he'd be a Buffalo Bill now. I want Allen to succeed soooo bad as I feel he's the jolt this team needs at QB badly. If you followed any of what McBeane is trying to instill in this team the past season then you'd know what they want in a QB. Character (still pending), hard worker, big, mobile, arm strength, coachable. A lot of the things Rosen lacks though no doubt he's the more polished of the two. Here's hoping that cocky Keebler elf doesn't prove the previous 9 GMs wrong. It’s definitely possible that Rosen ends up being the best QB in this draft class. I really don’t think so but I can’t rule it out. I think he’s going to get his bell rung a couple times and he’s going to question why he’s even out there.
Billsatlastin2018 Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 3 hours ago, njbuff said: It is almost like the doubters want to see Allen fail just to justify they are right about him. Pretty disturbing. It's not that. It's the Accuracy thingee, that has bedevilled Bills fans, for at least 1/2 a generation. Your QB has to be able to do the simple route things, a high percentage of the time. Being simply, a Mad bomber won't cut it! If he had the Accuracy competency cold, everyone would be raving as one of the best QB Draft picks ever; because the other stuff- intelligence, leadership, mobility, arm strength, size are excellent.
ALLEN1QB Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 I have a feeling that he gave the Bills, Jets, and Browns the same feeling when they met him. Just seems like the type of guy that lets his emotions get the best of him and when the going gets rough starts pointing fingers. Allen is the perfect player for Buffalo and will be fun as hell to watch Go Bills! 1
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He's going to be the pick. It's not even a question. Oh I 100% agree but still a bit presumptuous 2 mos out
SouthNYfan Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Our recievers have got to be better than what he was working with in Wyoming. And I really hope Beane can pick up someone else before the season on the cheap. I’d like to see Eric Decker brought in I dunno we were pretty bad lol. I think obviously our receivers are better than his in Wyoming, but they're also playing against NFL defenses, so they might wind up being just as bad in terms of getting open. We absolutely should kick the tires on Decker, maclin, and Michael floyd
eball Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 Start as the #3. Smart. Give the kid another hill to climb and be willing to let him learn. 2
jo39416 Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 51 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: I was getting ready to rip on you until I read the body of your statement. I agree. All aboard the Allen train!! Allen all like....
Dr. Who Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 18 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said: It's not that. It's the Accuracy thingee, that has bedevilled Bills fans, for at least 1/2 a generation. Your QB has to be able to do the simple route things, a high percentage of the time. Being simply, a Mad bomber won't cut it! If he had the Accuracy competency cold, everyone would be raving as one of the best QB Draft picks ever; because the other stuff- intelligence, leadership, mobility, arm strength, size are excellent. If he had the accuracy thing down cold, he'd be a Cleveland Brown right now. 3
SinceThe70s Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 53 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Going into the draft, my QB wish list went like this: 1. Mayfield 2. Darnold 3. Rosen 4. Allen When we traded up to 7, and Rosen was still there, I thought for sure we were going to grab the other Josh. Nope they announced Josh Allen instead. I was furious. So was about 90% of the fans sitting with me at the Anchor Bar on Transit. Then I watched Rosen get drafted a few picks later. For the first time I noticed what an arrogant, entitled little weasel he is. When I got back to my room I started watching videos of each of them. Rosen comes off as a spoiled kid that has had everything handed to him. Allen is just the opposite. He’s had to work for everything he’s gotten. He’s humble. He’s appreciative. He’s a Buffalo guy. For those of you who are still pissed we didn’t take Rosen, I’d encourage you to do the same. Watch their interviews and form your OWN decision, not some “expert” with a blog... I preferred Allen over Rosen for that very reason. Saw Rosen on TV back in March and his body language and demeanor turned me off. I know that doesn't compare to dissecting hours of film and comparing their QBing abilities, but it was a discriminator for me. Had we picked Rosen I'd be 100% behind him but with a nagging feeling that it wasn't going to work out....actually not too different than how I feel about Allen right now just for different reasons. 1
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