MarlinTheMagician Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 No one on the board should let the talking heads or their YouTube scouting skills fool them. We got the best QB in the draft save maybe Darnold. There are just as many pundits who hold that view as there are those that don't. So get on board. Plus, we basically used a free pick to get him in my view. We got the pick from KC and I would still prefer Tre White to Mahomes. So you start there with what I consider a free 21. Cordy was a salary dump that got us to 12. Sammy they were not going to sign (and the Rams proved us right). So instead of letting him walk with nothing as old admins would have done, we got a "free" 2 we put with the "free" 1 we got for taking Tre White over Mahomes. Really, Allen cost us a second round pick beyond things we got for players we were not going to keep. We can afford for him to fail and do it again - but I don't think he will. Kid is a worker and has overcome a lot, undeniable athleticism. And I think Rosen would be a nightmare. 1
akm0404 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 First rule of getting famous: Never read your twitter comments. 1
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, NickelCity said: Excellent, top to bottom. I was devastated yesterday, but not because I don't see the upside in Allen, but because Rosen is already a pro-QB imo. Totally agree on the footwork and vertical passing game component. I feel like some scouts kind of see a bradford type in rosen (Adequate starter, short passing rhythm guy), and see a potential newton/stafford/wentz (MVP caliber) in allen. I'm also sure other scouts see a total project in Allen, and Matt Ryan in Rosen. Rosen's outspoken attitude isn't necessarily a bad thing - but it can be if it bleeds into confrontations with coaches, teammates, or the media. I'm also not sure he was a great fit in Buffalo with his background. We tend to dislike the silver spoon types in a still relatively blue collar community. The concussions are always a concern, as it just seems like they always end up happening again to QBs who get them, but even looking past that there are issues.
DrDawkinstein Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Lurker said: You got that right. What does he think these draftees do? Watch Fox News 3-4 hours a day and look at Twitter? 2 minutes ago, akm0404 said: First rule of getting famous: Never read your twitter comments. And twitter is a platform he's already on. Let alone seeking out a 3rd party fan board...
Augie Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, dneveu said: I feel like some scouts kind of see a bradford type in rosen (Adequate starter, short passing rhythm guy), and see a potential newton/stafford/wentz (MVP caliber) in allen. I'm also sure other scouts see a total project in Allen, and Matt Ryan in Rosen. Rosen's outspoken attitude isn't necessarily a bad thing - but it can be if it bleeds into confrontations with coaches, teammates, or the media. I'm also not sure he was a great fit in Buffalo with his background. We tend to dislike the silver spoon types in a still relatively blue collar community. The concussions are always a concern, as it just seems like they always end up happening again to QBs who get them, but even looking past that there are issues. Yeah, I wonder how much of the decision was related to the possibility that he could slip on a wet mat in TC, bump his noggin and POOF, his career is over? That concussion history really concerned me, probably more than most people... Maybe 5 years ago I wouldn’t be so sensitive to it, but you just hear so much about concussions these days... (This is all part of trying to cope.)
Just Joshin' Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 While I was in favor of Rosen I think this shows the mindset of Beane The Bills would have gotten a very good QB in Rosen. That would have been the safe pick. Instead he is rolling the dice on Allen who could be great. He may also be a bust. He made the bold not safe bet. 1
BBillsWestCoast Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 All I wanted was a QB and an athletic LB who can be the leader/QB of the defense. Allen is OK, but not my favorite pick. Edmunds is very raw and young, but could be a stud Pro in a few years as he matures. I see him more as an outside guy, because he is not a quick thinker. More of a speedy hitter/pass rusher that can cover TE's and play on the outside, however he can man the middle if that is where they put him. Note: We have a new identity. Big, strong and athletic. Star, Allen and Edmunds. We have a stout front 7 and a very good DB field. 1) I feel we overpaid for both players, but I understand why they did it. 2) IF Josh Allen can improve his accuracy and anticipation, then he may be above average. I am not sure he is a winner. He seems more like a guy that can be good in several years. I Do Not see Allen as ever being a top 7 QB, more like a potential top 20 QB. 3) The defense to me looks very good and we can add more depth with undrafted players. 4) PLEASE draft offensive line next!!! 5) I am happy we have ALL of our picks next year. I am OK if we trade away next years 2nd rounder if we need another 3rd rounder this year. 6) It takes several years to build and develop an offense. This year we will Run Run Run and play bend but don't break defense, because our offense should be very weak. 7) Ready to be surprised again McBeane. Find another starter or two in this draft and spend the remaining money wisely!!! 8) I am not buying a Josh Allen jersey for a few years. I own Drew Bledsoe, Rob Johnson and Doug Flutie already, so I am not feeling it. McCoy is getting pricey old and should be gone by next year. Edmunds could be the guy? BTW, Barry Sanders is my only fathead on my son's wall. He was the classiest and most exciting player, so as a role model I need the full package. My favorite Bill was Steve Tasker and Bruce Smith second.
Doc Brown Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: Really? Manuel always looked almost like a robot throwing the football. Allen looks natural throwing it, he just needs to tighten things up. But Manuel was definitely one of the reasons I didn't want Allen... not that he's the same player, just the same genre: a Project. I knew that draft we'd reach for a quarterback and we didn't trade anything to get for him. Allen we gave up two 2nd round picks for and we picked him nine picks higher. Allen may have more upside, but I have little faith that it will work out.
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 The more I think about this, the more he sounds like Christian Hackenberg. He looks like he should be awesome. Everyone blamed everyone around him for why he wasn’t better, including his coach who became awesome after CH left. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/christian-hackenberg-1.html I want to be wrong. But this is so risky for a top 10 pick.
yungmack Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 16 hours ago, Domdab99 said: I know. If he does as well as Fitzpatrick, I'd be shocked. Allen could only dream of being as good as Fitz. 1
akm0404 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) Do ya’ll think that the Bills personnel folks asked Josh Allen to throw a football so they could see if he can hit where he is aiming? Maybe have him throw a ball through a tire swing or something? I’m hearing that this guy sprays around the ball wildly, and am wondering if this is news to our front office? Edited April 27, 2018 by akm0404
The Virginian Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 At least they were happy in Laramie Josh was drafted.
yungmack Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Figster said: The way I see it Bills fans had 5 good QB's to pick from dividing the fan base up into 4 or 5 groups. I understand being disappointed for not getting your preferred choice, but most reputable sports analysts agreed Josh Allen has the highest potential upside. Calling it a blunder at this point is a little early in the process... There was one A+ QB, two B+/A-, one C and a D. Predictably the Bills took the D. 1 1
Canadian Bills Fan Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 Aces Mike Mayock's pop quiz. Really shows off his football IQ here 1
nbbillsfan Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 I wish coach Bohl would have indicated that Allen could do some of the stuff Wetnz did (change protection, ect). My fear with Allen is not accuracy, I think he is a very accurate passer, it is football IQ. High completion percentage often have more to do with the intelligence to set up the play correctly and throw to the right person (things I think the Elite QB's do better than everyone else) and getting easy completions - this is where Allen will need to grow.
Hsker4life Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 I love the pick, and love that we didn't have to give up our other 1st rounder. Allen has certain tools that are better than arguably anyone in the history of the NFL draft. He has other areas that need MUCH work, obviously, but so do all of the QBs in this draft. Insanely strong arm, quick release, big, athletic and a hard worker with a chip on his shoulder. I like it.
Koufax Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Augie said: Yeah, I wonder how much of the decision was related to the possibility that he could slip on a wet mat in TC, bump his noggin and POOF, his career is over? That concussion history really concerned me, probably more than most people... Maybe 5 years ago I wouldn’t be so sensitive to it, but you just hear so much about concussions these days... (This is all part of trying to cope.) I agree. I like the current football player Josh Rosen much better than the current football player Josh Allen. But we aren't getting the current football player, we are trying to get the next ten years. Rosen is such a smart kid and from a smart well off family, that I could see him walking away after his first NFL concussion, and as a stationary pocket passer in the NFL, I unfortunately know that could come at any time. Also, again coping here, Rosen would seem to be who he is, and I'm not quite sure that is more Matt Ryan than Ryan Mallett, and only time will tell. But Allen has some exciting room to become something really special, so we have to dream the upside and see how soon we can make McCarron a backup, but patiently wait for the right time. 1
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: I badly wanted Rosen as our QB. But the vision of the rich kid from Cali getting his butt kicked over and over by Wilson, Jimmy G. and Goff in a division that has minimal impact on us is mildly amusing. You wanted him, but you think he is going to get his “butt kicked”? Consider me confused.
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