Why all the picks for a project QB?

[thebandit27]

Just now, CaptnCoke11 said:

And you’d be sitting here today calling them idiots I’d they waited and missed out.. 

 

No, he'd be calling them "idoits"

[Thurman#1]

 

33 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Why all the picks for a project QB?

 

 

Probably because they think of him less as a project and more of a development guy. There's a small difference there in that project QBs are sort of maybe possibly after a while types while the idea behind a development guy is that with development he stands a good chance. Clearly the Bills think he's more than a project.

 

Besides, the whole "he has to be able to start immediately" thing is more a fan concern than a team concern. The teams tend to hope they start immediately but be willing to spend time if it's necessary, though plenty of teams then end up bowing to pressure and playing the guy too soon and undermining their chances. Hopefully this administration will be stronger than that.

[RiotAct]

it’s okay, our amazing Offensive/Quarterbacks staff will turn him into a star.

[thebandit27]

Just now, Chris66 said:

Arm strength you can work on. Not understanding what defenses are doing is a bit different.

 

Technique and reading keys you can work on, T-Rex arms and guard bodies can't be fixed

 

See how easy this is?

[Chris66]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

 

You also don't spend a 1st round pick on a 6'2" guard with T-Rex arms and ask him to play LT

 

But some teams are stupid

I think BB has earned the benefit of the doubt. At least he has won something or five. People Blasted the Mankins pick as well

[thebandit27]

Just now, Chris66 said:

I think BB has earned the benefit of the doubt. At least he has won something or five. People Blasted the Mankins pick as well

 

He's been mediocre at best as a drafter.

 

And you probably weren't around if you think the Mankins pick was similar. People said he couldn't play OT in the NFL--they were right.

[Rob's House]

I'm imagining the reaction had the Bills stayed at 12, missed out on the top 4 QBs, and then it came out that it would have only cost 2 2nds to move up.

[Thurman#1]

13 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

You dont give up 2 good picks for a qb that needs to learn how to be a qb.

 

 

Yeah. But Allen doesn't need to learn to be a QB. He needs to develop some areas of his knowledge and mechanics. If he's successful this will have been a brilliant move. You're focusing on entirely the wrong question.

 

The right question isn't how long it will take for him to be a starter. It's whether he will be a top ten or top twelve starter. And that we don't know.

[Chris66]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

He's been mediocre at best as a drafter.

 

And you probably weren't around if you think the Mankins pick was similar. People said he couldn't play OT in the NFL--they were right.

He was never drafted to play ot. So not sure what your point is.

They are most likely going to move Cannon to Lt and use him at rt.

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, Chris66 said:

He was never drafted to play ot. So not sure what your point is.

They are most likely going to move Cannon to Lt and use him at rt.

 

Nobody criticized the Mankins pick in light of his moving to guard 

 

Please, please move Cannon to LT. I can't wait to see that.

[Thurman#1]

4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

He's been mediocre at best as a drafter.

 

And you probably weren't around if you think the Mankins pick was similar. People said he couldn't play OT in the NFL--they were right.

 

 

I wish this was so. 

 

For a team that has drafted consistently in the late 20s, he's done a damn good job keeping the team at that level. And yeah, sure Brady and Belichick's own abilities have meant a lot. But nonetheless they've managed to keep that machine stoked and rolling for a very long time. He's drafted well, partly because he arbitrages picks so well. But drafting late is a handicap that never seems to have troubled them. That's good drafting.

 

[peterpan]

Allen has all the physical tools.  Mentally he is really slow and doesn't see simple blitzes or make easy High school level reads consistently. 

 

In 2-4 years he MIGHT develop and be as good as Josn Rosen is right now.  Rosen will likely be competing for Superbowls on his rookie contract while the Bills are still wondering if Allen will be the guy or not. 

 

McBean just penned their own oink slips if this kid doesn't perform. 

[Chris66]

4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Nobody criticized the Mankins pick in light of his moving to guard 

 

Please, please move Cannon to LT. I can't wait to see that.

Cannon has been their best lineman for the last 2 years. He played quite well when he filled in for Solder.

Also not worried about the pick Scar gave his seal of approval. If he thinks he can play thats good enough for me

[billsfan_34]

57 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Beane and company are idoits giving up (2) number 2's to move 5 spots when the only team in front of them who may have been looking to draft a QB was Miami.  We really could of used both those 2 picks in the second round.  So many holes on this roster giving up picks for a guy who is a project with high end arm talent was a stupid move.  Not other team was going to give that many picks for a project type of player.  

 

www.nfl.com/videos/.../Soul-Science-How-fast-can-Josh-Allen-throw

Because Tanny has no one behind him and has knee problems. Good chance if Allen is there the Fins take him. This team believes he can be a franchise guy- time will tell.

[thebandit27]

Just now, Chris66 said:

Cannon has been their best lineman for the last 2 years. He played quite well when he filled in for Solder.

Also not worried about the pick Scar gave his seal of approval. If he thinks he can play thats good enough for me

 

The point is it's easy to criticize a pick from here based on meaningless platitudes 

[xRUSHx]

47 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

You can believe in him and still get him for less,  look at what the Cardinals gave up for Rosen.  I thought one number 2 and a later pick would have been more then enough.

Nobody knows if Arizona or even Miami was willing to pay almost as much for that 7 pick. They might have got a call that said hey Arizona/Miami called they want our pick do you want it or does Arizona/Miami get it? Eitherway they got who they wanted and didnt lose out like Miami did. I wanted Rosen but I am more then ok with the move up for who they wanted the most over just taking the one that was left or got stuck with a Jackson or 2nd-3rd round prospect. Arizona was worried enough about Miami to jump them so insider information I am sure prompted the trades that happened.The Whaley waiting to long game is why this team always missed on getting a QB that ended up on a team willing to spend. Now Miami has to wait for a lower rated QB since no other was worth such a high pick. 

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Edited April 27, 2018 by xRUSHx

[rodneykm]

25 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

He's been mediocre at best as a drafter.

 

 

I may be mistaken, but wasn't Beane hired after last years draft? 

[Rosen-not-Chosen]

They paid more than double to make the move to 7.  Foolish.

[xRUSHx]

Just now, Rosen-not-Chosen said:

They paid more than double to make the move to 7.  Foolish.

Again how do you know Arizona or Miami didn't call to offer almost as much for pick 7? 

[SoCal Deek]

The real question is who made the better deal? The Bills or Arizona? Each got a QB and you could’ve swapped the names. Rosen and Allen will be linked for a few years now....just like Darnold and Mayfield will be.